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Please, just leave: Right-wing crackpots plot to abandon the union (says we're the problem)
The Boston Phoenix ^ | March 18, 2009 | Mike Milliard

Posted on 03/19/2009 3:34:51 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

"What kind of revolution appeals most to you?" read the now-deleted poll question on Sean Hannity's message board: "Military Coup, Armed Rebellion, or War for Secession?"

The next four to eight years are gonna be some fun!

Barely two months into the Obama administration, wing-nuts across the land are frothing at the mouth, talking feverishly of secession, violent revolution, tax revolt, "going Galt," and national divorce. It would be hilarious if it weren't so creepy.

We all had a good laugh this past December when Igor Panarin, dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats, predicted that the financial crisis would eventually lead to widespread unrest, martial law, and, by 2010, a civil war in the US — the end result of which would be a motley collection of rump states like "Atlantic America" and the "Texas Republic," that then glom onto countries such as Canada and Mexico. It's an absurd idea.

Or is it? Perusing some of the sheer insanity spewed on rightist blogs, message boards, and comment threads — the pitchfork-shaking anger directed at this so-called socialist government — one has to wonder just what's percolating in this country. Maybe the big break-up is coming sooner than we think?

Obama talks a lot about his affinity for Abraham Lincoln. Let's just hope he doesn't end up having too much in common with the guy — that in addition to saving the economy, winning two wars, and curbing global warming, he doesn't find himself having to preserve the Union, too.

People are pissed. New faux-populist hero Rick Santelli has been enjoining citizens to register their disgust with the stimulus plan and budget by bombarding the White House and Capitol with tea bags — get it?! (The phenomenon has apparently caused headaches for workers charged with the safety screening of DC mail.) Meanwhile, 4000 people gathered this past Saturday for a so-called "Cincinnati Tea Party." Read one sign: HONK IF I'M PAYING YOUR MORTGAGE.

But protests do only so much. More and more, it seems, nothing less than outright secession will satisfy some of these cranks. The right-wing Web is all atwitter over a recent open letter, spreading from blog to blog like a hanta virus, by one "John J. Wall, Law Student and an American." In it, Wall puts it plainly: he wants a divorce.

"Let's just end it on friendly terms," he writes. "We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. . . . Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA, and the military." (What they'll do with all the guns he doesn't say.)

Ironically, when not busy fomenting revolution or concocting a plan to carve up the continental US, conservatives act a lot like the "hippies" that Wall went on to lambaste in his letter — thumbing their nose at authority and threatening to drop out of society.

It was reported on military.com last month that a soldier, First Lieutenant Scott Easterling, who is stationed in Iraq, has balked at following orders: "Until Mr. Obama releases a 'vault copy' of his original birth certificate for public review," he declared, "I will consider him neither my commander in chief nor my president, but rather, a usurper to the office — an impostor."

And the latest bit of in(s)anity making the rounds in conservative circles in is the notion of "going Galt," in which angry rich people protest Obama's fiscal policies by following the lead of John Galt —übermensch protagonist of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged — and removing their ostensibly valuable productivity from society.

Why? Because "a general strike among the wealth producers," as Michelle Malkin calls it, will help keep that wealth out of the grubby hands of the lower classes — those "moochers who claim your product by tears," in Rand's piquant description. Sigh.

Are we fated to fracture into Jesus Land and the People's Republic of Massafornia? Probably not. But maybe! Until and unless that day arrives, however, ours remains a riven nation. But if Malkin and their ilk want to "drop out" in the meantime, more power to 'em. It'll be nice, frankly, not to have to hear them talk for a while.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; Russia
KEYWORDS: agenda; banglist; bho2009; bho44; commie; democrats; economy; igorpanarin; johngalt; mediabias; obama; ofa; organizingforamerica; socialism; sorocrats; teaparties
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This man is such a slobbering fool, he’s proving the point that he’s trying to refute.


141 posted on 03/19/2009 8:56:41 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My mistake, my previous reply was really meant to be directed at the articles author. My apologies to all.


142 posted on 03/19/2009 8:56:47 AM PDT by Pilated
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To: central_va

Aye. Nothing hypothetical about it.


143 posted on 03/19/2009 8:57:49 AM PDT by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: devistate one four
We need a plan.

We have one, it's called the Constitution, and it is being bespoiled....

144 posted on 03/19/2009 8:58:59 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: Hemingway's Ghost
Aye. Nothing hypothetical about it.

If it were to happen like that, if there is anyway I could help, just give a holler'.

145 posted on 03/19/2009 9:00:23 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: dr_who
This man is such a slobbering fool, he’s proving the point that he’s trying to refute.

Actually, "they" deserve their socialist utopia and "we" deserve our constitutional republic. Can we get their peacfully? That is the great unanswered question of our time.

146 posted on 03/19/2009 9:11:21 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

I do not recognize him as my president either. But I will obey all laws. It really infuriates a liberal if you remain law abiding but do not recognize their leaders as legitimate. Make sure you own no illegal firearms, and obey all the laws that matter, and that you do not do anything that can be misinterpreted as treason or threats.

The biggest danger to them is if we can educate people to the democrats role in the financial crisis, the fallacies of global warming, the fact that obummers energy policy is to not drill for oil or natural gas, and to ignore any new sources of coal, and to not have nuclear power plants. Just educate one or two people before the next election. I have already gotten to one person who did not vote and he promised to vote next time. If enough of us do this, we will overturn what they are doing in the next congressional elections.


147 posted on 03/19/2009 9:12:44 AM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen (Racial Preferences are the Stereotypes that Nazis Love)
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To: central_va

It’s not “unanswered”, it’s completely answered.

The left’s ideology will not allow anyone to live outside of their control.

They will use every means possible to prevent someone from escaping their control.

This is why all the laws about people control are made at the federal level, so you can’t move to another state to escape them.


148 posted on 03/19/2009 9:13:33 AM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

People are getting scared. When they get scared, they protect themselves.


149 posted on 03/19/2009 9:16:40 AM PDT by RC2 (http://www.youtube.com/user/Funbobbasso)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Robert E. Lee was the South’s greatest northern general.


150 posted on 03/19/2009 9:17:28 AM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen (Racial Preferences are the Stereotypes that Nazis Love)
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To: MrB
It’s not “unanswered”, it’s completely answered. The left’s ideology will not allow anyone to live outside of their control. They will use every means possible to prevent someone from escaping their control. This is why all the laws about people control are made at the federal level, so you can’t move to another state to escape them.

Ok, if you believe that then you are going to have to get "with the program" or what? There is no political solution?

151 posted on 03/19/2009 9:18:33 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: central_va

The political solution starts at your state legislature with sovereignty resolutions, then escalates from there.


152 posted on 03/19/2009 9:19:37 AM PDT by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: central_va

I’m not sure I believe in “containment” anymore. Socialism breeds more socialists, and they wonder why they can’t find work or a decent standard of living in their socialist hellholes, so they move south, register to vote, and spread more socialism. Call it the domino effect.


153 posted on 03/19/2009 9:19:37 AM PDT by dr_who
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To: Colonel Kangaroo

Article 1, Section 10 says no such thing as the 10th Amendment.

Section 10. No state shall enter into any treaty, alliance, or confederation; grant letters of marque and reprisal; coin money; emit bills of credit; make anything but gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts; pass any bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law impairing the obligation of contracts, or grant any title of nobility.

No state shall, without the consent of the Congress, lay any imposts or duties on imports or exports, except what may be absolutely necessary for executing it’s inspection laws: and the net produce of all duties and imposts, laid by any state on imports or exports, shall be for the use of the treasury of the United States; and all such laws shall be subject to the revision and control of the Congress.

No state shall, without the consent of Congress, lay any duty of tonnage, keep troops, or ships of war in time of peace, enter into any agreement or compact with another state, or with a foreign power, or engage in war, unless actually invaded, or in such imminent danger as will not admit of delay.


154 posted on 03/19/2009 9:20:32 AM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: 2ndClassCitizen
Robert E. Lee was the South’s greatest northern general.

Yeah, and that drunk Grant, he was the greatest. /sarc

155 posted on 03/19/2009 9:20:32 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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To: JSDude1

I go for restoring the constitution. Life on this earth is and always has been a never ending struggle.

My fantasy is to have the country split. Liberals in one half and capitalists in the other half. They will absolutely fall apart and want to cross over. But, we will have a border fence, and it will work.


156 posted on 03/19/2009 9:20:47 AM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen (Racial Preferences are the Stereotypes that Nazis Love)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Another quote from the article:
that in addition to saving the economy, winning two wars, and curbing global warming, he doesn't find himself having to preserve the Union, too.

Wow!!! 2 months and the Obamaidiot has won 2 wars and saved the economy!! Not to mention solving the non-existent problem of Global warming, Global Cooling, climate change …...

And finally another:

(What they'll do with all the guns he doesn't say.)

Oh probably have a nice competitive shooting match, Guns are fun!!!!

157 posted on 03/19/2009 9:21:38 AM PDT by GYL2 (Always mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy Thomas J. (Stonewall) Jackson)
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To: central_va

What kind of whiskey did Grant drink, I think we all need a case.


158 posted on 03/19/2009 9:28:03 AM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen (Racial Preferences are the Stereotypes that Nazis Love)
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To: Colonel Kangaroo
The worse the conditions the more extreme folks will be. There's not anything any of us can do about it, except to keep up the good fight against the liberal scum infecting this country. (which is why I love FR, including the so-called extremists.)
159 posted on 03/19/2009 9:37:02 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: 2ndClassCitizen
Was Grant a Drunk?
160 posted on 03/19/2009 9:43:27 AM PDT by central_va (Co. C, 15th Va., Patrick Henry Rifles-The boys of Hanover Co.)
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