Ya think?
Posted on 03/19/2009 3:34:51 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
"What kind of revolution appeals most to you?" read the now-deleted poll question on Sean Hannity's message board: "Military Coup, Armed Rebellion, or War for Secession?"
The next four to eight years are gonna be some fun!
Barely two months into the Obama administration, wing-nuts across the land are frothing at the mouth, talking feverishly of secession, violent revolution, tax revolt, "going Galt," and national divorce. It would be hilarious if it weren't so creepy.
We all had a good laugh this past December when Igor Panarin, dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats, predicted that the financial crisis would eventually lead to widespread unrest, martial law, and, by 2010, a civil war in the US — the end result of which would be a motley collection of rump states like "Atlantic America" and the "Texas Republic," that then glom onto countries such as Canada and Mexico. It's an absurd idea.
Or is it? Perusing some of the sheer insanity spewed on rightist blogs, message boards, and comment threads — the pitchfork-shaking anger directed at this so-called socialist government — one has to wonder just what's percolating in this country. Maybe the big break-up is coming sooner than we think?
Obama talks a lot about his affinity for Abraham Lincoln. Let's just hope he doesn't end up having too much in common with the guy — that in addition to saving the economy, winning two wars, and curbing global warming, he doesn't find himself having to preserve the Union, too.
People are pissed. New faux-populist hero Rick Santelli has been enjoining citizens to register their disgust with the stimulus plan and budget by bombarding the White House and Capitol with tea bags — get it?! (The phenomenon has apparently caused headaches for workers charged with the safety screening of DC mail.) Meanwhile, 4000 people gathered this past Saturday for a so-called "Cincinnati Tea Party." Read one sign: HONK IF I'M PAYING YOUR MORTGAGE.
But protests do only so much. More and more, it seems, nothing less than outright secession will satisfy some of these cranks. The right-wing Web is all atwitter over a recent open letter, spreading from blog to blog like a hanta virus, by one "John J. Wall, Law Student and an American." In it, Wall puts it plainly: he wants a divorce.
"Let's just end it on friendly terms," he writes. "We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. . . . Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA, and the military." (What they'll do with all the guns he doesn't say.)
Ironically, when not busy fomenting revolution or concocting a plan to carve up the continental US, conservatives act a lot like the "hippies" that Wall went on to lambaste in his letter — thumbing their nose at authority and threatening to drop out of society.
It was reported on military.com last month that a soldier, First Lieutenant Scott Easterling, who is stationed in Iraq, has balked at following orders: "Until Mr. Obama releases a 'vault copy' of his original birth certificate for public review," he declared, "I will consider him neither my commander in chief nor my president, but rather, a usurper to the office — an impostor."
And the latest bit of in(s)anity making the rounds in conservative circles in is the notion of "going Galt," in which angry rich people protest Obama's fiscal policies by following the lead of John Galt —übermensch protagonist of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged — and removing their ostensibly valuable productivity from society.
Why? Because "a general strike among the wealth producers," as Michelle Malkin calls it, will help keep that wealth out of the grubby hands of the lower classes — those "moochers who claim your product by tears," in Rand's piquant description. Sigh.
Are we fated to fracture into Jesus Land and the People's Republic of Massafornia? Probably not. But maybe! Until and unless that day arrives, however, ours remains a riven nation. But if Malkin and their ilk want to "drop out" in the meantime, more power to 'em. It'll be nice, frankly, not to have to hear them talk for a while.
One word: ACORN
I’ve been listening to the local, talk shows closely and the number of people calling in saying that they don’t see any recourse but to fight is eye-opening. I’m not talking about nut-bars but people who are speaking in a very calm, thoughtful manner.
I have noticed this. when I actually see people bandibng together in groups and self help consortiums I will be more convinced. Saying that you will fight alone is not very effective.
We thought Bush43 would roll back the 8 years of Clinton abuse. Very little was done in that regard.
You are living in a fantasy world.
I’ve seen the opposite viewpoint on the “coordination” of the tea parties.
This needs to be a de-centralized movement. It needs to be led by localized leaders, and not by some central coordinating authority. Central planning is a leftist concept, not a free man’s concept.
When enough people have had enough, change will be effected through the ballot box. Therefore, if you have enough disgruntled to carry through a revolution, then revolution is not necessary. Why talk of revolution when we cannot even win a presidential election? Just wait four years and then it will be voices in on the left talking about tevolution again.
You need to read some Hayek.
Collectivism is inherently linked with arbitrary authoritarianism.
Google “bubba effect”
Do you think we should be doing so much to support the arbitrary authoritarianism of the collectivist state of Israel?
Hypothetically speaking, does one man, alone in his beliefs that are moral and true, do he not constitute an "Army" in God's eye. What does numbers have to do with it?
From what I gather from Orthodox Jews, Israel has the same problem with rabid socialism/communism as we do...so your premise is a little sloppy.
do he = does he
Obama may not be Stalin, but how long does the frog have to be boiled before he jumps out of the pot?
With all due respect,you are ignoring some basic facts. Those facts make the rest of your post after what I bolded irrelevant.
The other side cheats, we don't. We won't fix elections by registering dead people and letting them vote; carting people to multiple polling places; etc...
We respect the process and believe it will work. (as, clearly, do you)
They know that their ideas are bankrupt and therefore do not respect the process, believing that "by any means necessary" applies to their politics and candidates.
Clearly you are ignoring those facts when you posit that utimately change will be effected at the ballot box. The constitutional positions and candidates will never win out when those very precepts prevent us from fighting fire with fire.
I'd rather fight a war and kill the socialists then stuff a ballot box and I bet you would too if those were the only two choices available to you.
They would rather stuff and ballot box to enslave me than to just kill me outright as they need my income to feed the worthless non-working whose votes they are purchasing.
Absolutely. Collectivism DOES work in one specific case - in a homogeneous society with shared values across the society. The Palis just want to invade this society because they see that it is so much more successful than their own.
The Bible calls for collectivism among Christians. Notice the referece to “of one heart and soul”:
Acts 4:32 Now the full number of those who believed were of one heart and soul, and no one said that any of the things that belonged to him was his own, but they had everything in common.
It will not work, though, when people have individual goals.
The goals of the collective inherently will collide with the goals of the individual, making arbitrary, deadly, coercive force necessary.
Lee certainly did not want secession. He only fought for Virginia. Too bad there were not more prudent Lees in the South of 1860-61 and less of the secessionist wild men.
"... I wish to live under no other government, and there is no sacrifice I am not ready to make for the preservation of the Union save that of honour. If a disruption takes place, I shall go back in sorrow to my people and share the misery of my native state, and save in her defence there will be one soldier less in the world than now. I wish for no other flag than the 'Star spangled banner' and no other air than 'Hail Columbia.' I still hope that the wisdom and patriotism of the nation will yet save it. "
That is why net tax receivers should not be voters. Those who pay the tab should set the rules.
What is your definition of a "wild man"? Do you think all free men need a leash? Be very careful with this answer my friend, it will be very telling.
Ya think?
I wonder what Lee would think of the Commonwealth as it stands today. Shame......
“They will not allow us just to “live and let live” - it’s antithetical to their ideology.”
We are a bur under their saddle and a thorn in their side.
Our very existence alone reveals their iniquity.
Darkness isn’t darkness unless it is in contrast to light.
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