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TSA Adds a New Twist to Passenger Screening
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Posted on 03/21/2009 8:32:00 AM PDT by nuconvert

Just when you thought you had the Transportation Security Administration rules all figured out, here comes a new procedure. Starting sometime in the next few months, you'll have to provide your birth date and gender whenever you buy an airplane ticket. The TSA is giving the airlines some time to change their websites and retrain their phone-reservations agents to be able to implement the agency's new Secure Flight program. Expect the changes on domestic flights by this summer.

The change is supposed to help reduce the number of Americans who are misidentified as individuals on the agency's no-fly and "selectee-for-further-inspection" watch lists. Up until now, airlines have done the work of vetting their passenger manifests for suspect names, but under the new program, the TSA assumes the job of monitoring watch lists full-time and implements "a uniform, efficient matching process."

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This information is on your driver's license. Can't they just look at that or your passport to figure out who you are? I don't understand how this is going to be any different
1 posted on 03/21/2009 8:32:00 AM PDT by nuconvert
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To: nuconvert

A new venue for identity theft.


2 posted on 03/21/2009 8:36:01 AM PDT by Carley (President Obama Dropped a MOAB on America)
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To: nuconvert
I don't understand how this is going to be any different

The government will track everyone's movements.

People with matching names, but mismatched birthday and/or gender will be waived through.

(no terrorist would ever submit an incorrect birthday)

3 posted on 03/21/2009 8:37:21 AM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 61 of our national holiday from reality.)
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To: nuconvert

Over the phone or web, how are they supposed to know if you lied about your DOB? There’s also those who aren’t sure what their gender is that day.


4 posted on 03/21/2009 8:38:05 AM PDT by bgill
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To: nuconvert

Time for the transgender lobby to get into action!


5 posted on 03/21/2009 8:39:07 AM PDT by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: nuconvert

The should have something in place so we’ll know if this will work for the general public. Perhaps do a study of it on a small scale first like have passengers bring their official BC to board Air Force One.


6 posted on 03/21/2009 8:40:22 AM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill

: D


7 posted on 03/21/2009 8:41:22 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: bgill

I am from the Govt. I’m here to help


8 posted on 03/21/2009 8:41:27 AM PDT by Rj Snows
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To: nuconvert
By showing my passport, my birthdate and gender are on record, this is freaking nuts.

I provide id for every damn thing I do but B. Hussein, I should just take his word on it.

What the hell happened to this country.

9 posted on 03/21/2009 8:44:44 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: nuconvert
The change is supposed to help reduce the number of Americans who are misidentified as individuals on the agency's no-fly and "selectee-for-further-inspection" watch lists.

Some idiot TSA employee pulls a five year old boy because he is on the "no fly list", and now they want us to give our date of birth just to buy a plane ticket. Idiots! How much do you want to bet that they voted for Obama?
10 posted on 03/21/2009 8:47:04 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: nuconvert
you'll have to provide your birth date and gender whenever you buy an airplane ticket.

What the hell is this "gender" business? The proper word is "sex." The term "Gender" should be confined to linguistics.

11 posted on 03/21/2009 8:48:31 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: nuconvert


12 posted on 03/21/2009 8:52:52 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Kakaze

I don’t understand this. They ask for your ID at the counter when you check your luggage or get your boarding pass. They ask to see your ID when you go thru security.
What more is giving your DOB when purchasing a ticket going to do?


13 posted on 03/21/2009 8:53:27 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

I have a replacement knee, implanted 5 years ago. I am singled out for full screening every time I board a plane. Does anyone know of a certification that can be obtained through a law enforcement agency (State Police, FBI, whatever...) that tells the TSA that I am not a threat with a titanium joint? I fly a couple times a month and am tired of the 15 minute inch by inch examination. I am on a first name basis with a few of the screening personnel at specific airports, but they still have me assume the position for special clearance.


14 posted on 03/21/2009 8:54:35 AM PDT by Knute
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To: nuconvert
Well it for one gives your credit card and your info to the person processing your ticket, next it will be social security numbers too...but in general its just tracking.

I'm tired of being tracked.

15 posted on 03/21/2009 8:56:12 AM PDT by Kakaze (Exterminate Islamofacism and apologize for nothing.....except not doing it sooner!)
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To: null and void

“People with matching names, but mismatched birthday and/or gender will be waived through.”

There are probably several million of us with the same Biblical Name and a very common Celtic Surname on the no fly list.

I found out a copy of my passport works great to get by this impediment.


16 posted on 03/21/2009 8:56:58 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Does Zer0 have any friends, who are not criminals, foreign/domestic terrorists, or tax evaders?)
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To: Knute

Maybe your Dr. would know?


17 posted on 03/21/2009 8:57:26 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

What difference will it make? The TSA will continue to give in depth inspections and everything short of a body cavity search to WWII widows, Korea vets and elderly Catholic priests as they always have.

Looks good on the records they keep, and they need to stay out of trouble for possible “profiling” allegations.


18 posted on 03/21/2009 9:08:01 AM PDT by I_Like_Spam
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To: Lancey Howard

I haven’t flown commercial since 9-11. Won’t fly commercial till they do more than window dressing appearance of security .

.......TSA idiots and a nation that thinks our enemies respect rules and cavity searching wannabe gerbil’s in uniform is a major form of transportation in the sights of terrorist forever !

Just my opinion !


19 posted on 03/21/2009 9:08:45 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Carley

Having seen a lot of TSA folks, I can assure you it is not in their “culture” to cheat and steal. All da be wontin todo is sen you a nice birtday caoid! You know.


20 posted on 03/21/2009 9:10:28 AM PDT by dusttoyou (Live Free or Die)
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To: nuconvert
What more is giving your DOB when purchasing a ticket going to do?

They check your name against the no-fly list when you buy the ticket. This gives them an opportunity to match it before you arrive at the airport and check-in.

21 posted on 03/21/2009 9:15:50 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: Squantos

My last time on an airplane was February 2001.
None for me, thanks.


22 posted on 03/21/2009 9:16:10 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: nuconvert

Sometimes the cruise lines buys my tickets for me(group rate), so what happens then? I just show up at the ticket counter with an ID.


23 posted on 03/21/2009 9:19:43 AM PDT by razorback-bert (Will trade sex for ammo)
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To: Kakaze
I'm tired of being tracked.

Me, too.

24 posted on 03/21/2009 9:21:19 AM PDT by FourPeas (I am the pink flamingo on the great lawn of life.)
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To: Lancey Howard

It’s just insanity....... no time for it. I’d rather drive if I HAVE to travel !

Stay safe LH !


25 posted on 03/21/2009 9:22:26 AM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: justlurking

“They check your name against the no-fly list when you buy the ticket.”

They can check it now. And when I get to the airport they can ask for my Driver’s license, which they already do several times. I don’t see how it’s going to save them or me any inconvenience or make anyone safer.
Do they have the DOB and sex of the people on the No-Fly list? Then check that against my Driver’s license when I go thru security.


26 posted on 03/21/2009 9:30:14 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

TSA is bonkers.

That said, like everyone here, I want a safe and secure airplane. Behavioral profiling is the answer but that’s not PC.


27 posted on 03/21/2009 9:34:26 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: nuconvert

I’m couldn’t find real work so I joined TSA. Not being qualified to do anything useful is also a requisite for becoming a congresscreep.

I will be here longer than you will ever hold any job you have and will probably NEVER be laid off.

I will get full benefits funded by you.

I will get retirement funded by you with taxes you will pay on ALL that you make and my retirement will be inflation adjusted and without risk. Your’s isn’t...ha, ha.

I have to be politically correct so even if you are an arab carrying an RPG I can’t single anyone out for profiling and so I have to SELECT obviously innocent people for “special” attention to prove I’m not profiling.

I’m from the government.

Like most government employees and politicans, I’m a pervert so bend over because....


28 posted on 03/21/2009 9:35:49 AM PDT by Sequoyah101 (Get the bats and light the hay)
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To: nuconvert

Typical gov. control psychology: everyone must stand naked like a jew going to the death chamber because some dirtbag civil servant won’t do their jobs of getting the right ID.


29 posted on 03/21/2009 9:38:49 AM PDT by JudgemAll (control freaks, their world & their problem with my gun and my protecting my private party)
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To: nuconvert
They can check it now. And when I get to the airport they can ask for my Driver’s license, which they already do several times. I don’t see how it’s going to save them or me any inconvenience or make anyone safer.

The check against the list is not done in real-time. That's why they are asking for the DoB when you buy the ticket -- so they will have time to do so. Currently, if you buy a ticket at the last minute, you are likely to get flagged for additional screening because there was no time to check your name against the list (it's happened to me several times).

Do they have the DOB and sex of the people on the No-Fly list? Then check that against my Driver’s license when I go thru security.

Yes, they do -- at least for most of them. Checking your DoB avoids the obvious screw-ups like flagging a 5-year-old or an 80-year-old for name matches to someone that is known to be in his 30's. Of course, they'll have to verify that you gave the correct DoB when you purchased the ticket.

30 posted on 03/21/2009 9:41:54 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: justlurking

btw - Do you know that since the first or 2nd week in Jan., anyone visiting from a visa waivered country (like any European country) has to apply before flying for an Electronic System for Travel Authorization (ESTA) number?
I just found out about it recently.


31 posted on 03/21/2009 9:45:16 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert

Well, normally, I wouldn’t care. But since Herr Barry wants to take over cybersecurity from the DHS and put it under the WH, I’m begining to think we have a problem here...


32 posted on 03/21/2009 9:46:52 AM PDT by livius
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To: nuconvert
I foresee flak from the LGBTQ crowd.

Cheers!

33 posted on 03/21/2009 9:47:09 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Lancey Howard

Notice the glass “jail cell” in the background of the first pic. I just recently flew and saw these in some of the airports (SLC I think). If you become a “person of interest” to the TSA, I think you go to jail without passing go or collecting $200 until they can clear you. All part of the frog boiling it seems to me.


34 posted on 03/21/2009 9:49:30 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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“The check against the list is not done in real-time. That’s why they are asking for the DoB when you buy the ticket — so they will have time to do so.”

They can check me not in real time today. They have my name and other info when I buy a ticket now. If my name is suspicious, then when I get to the airport, ask for my driver’s license - which they ALREADY do - and check my gender & DOB on my license against the suspicious person on the No-Fly list.
IF this procedure was going to stop them having to check my ID several times at the airport like they do now, then it might save everyone time. But if they’re STILL going to check everyone’s ID at the airport, what is the point?


35 posted on 03/21/2009 9:55:58 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: Lancey Howard
I have a TSA story...

Sometime about a year after 9/11, I had been called out on a reserve extra crew position and worked from LAX to HNL, then was scheduled to deadhead from HNL to OGG and work the Maui flight back to LA.

Over at the inter-island terminal gate for my flight to Maui, I was standing in the boarding line, and of course, being a crew member in uniform, was called out by the TSA for additional screening. (This was when they were doing random checks at the boarding gate.) They pulled me aside, and in full view of all other passengers, started going through my bags.

Then I got "wanded." The guy asked me to take off my shoes, which were just ballet slipper-type shoes, and he stuck his hands (no gloves) down inside my shoes. Where my feet had just been. Not to mention the "Ew" factor, but did he think there was really room for anything else down there?

Then the best part was when he asked me to lift up my feet so he could "wand" the bottoms of my feet. I am not kidding. I was wearing a dress with sheer stockings and he wanted to run the metal detector across the bottoms of my feet. My sheer-stockinged feet. I looked up at the passengers in line closest to me and just shook my head while he was doing this and they all started laughing. It was so supremely ridiculous it was actually funny.

Made me wonder if the guy just had a foot fetish or something.

36 posted on 03/21/2009 10:03:39 AM PDT by ponygirl ("It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself." -T. Jefferson)
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To: nuconvert

Yeah but it is an automated flagging system. The airlines don’t ask for your drivers license number.


37 posted on 03/21/2009 10:05:44 AM PDT by Maelstorm ("I don't want them punished with a baby," -Barack Obama on Daughter's getting pregnant)
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To: justlurking

Maybe there’s something missing from the article.
Right now, there’s just something kinda ‘smoke & mirrors’ about it. Or like they’re trying to look like they’re doing something new under Obama in order to keep us safe.
Maybe this is going to be like a domestic ESTA, and the article is just not giving that info.


38 posted on 03/21/2009 10:07:06 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: nuconvert
They can check me not in real time today. They have my name and other info when I buy a ticket now.

That's when the watch list matching is done today -- between the time that you buy the ticket and arrive at the airport.

If my name is suspicious, then when I get to the airport, ask for my driver’s license - which they ALREADY do - and check my gender & DOB on my license against the suspicious person on the No-Fly list.

The people at the airport do not have access to the watch list. All they have is a yes/no answer -- where the question is: do I subject this person to additional screening?

The watch list reportedly isn't just a plain text match between names. But, the decision is centralized rather than up to the discretion of the various airport staff. I think one reason is to try to avoid accusations of racial profiling.

39 posted on 03/21/2009 10:16:36 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: nuconvert
All they have is a yes/no answer -- where the question is: do I subject this person to additional screening?

I forgot to explain: the information is printed on your boarding pass, if you know where to look for it.

It's usually a series of "S"s, i.e. "SSSS" in bold type on the face of the boarding pass. That's what the guy at the metal detector is looking for when you show your boarding pass as you walk through.

If it's not there, you'll avoid the additional screening unless you do something like try to walk through with a bunch of change in your pocket.

40 posted on 03/21/2009 10:20:50 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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To: justlurking

Thanks for your explanation. I’m beginning to think that this is going to be a domestic form of the ESTA program.


41 posted on 03/21/2009 10:22:30 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: bgill

I can see the form now...

Gender: (check one only)

Male ___

Female ___

Other ___


42 posted on 03/21/2009 10:23:37 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: ponygirl

Political correctness run amok. It’s literally killing this nation.


43 posted on 03/21/2009 10:34:36 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: justlurking
It's usually a series of "S"s, i.e. "SSSS" in bold type on the face of the boarding pass. That's what the guy at the metal detector is looking for when you show your boarding pass as you walk through.

SSSS is a transliterated Arabic acronym. Rough translation: Praise Allah! The operation is postponed.

44 posted on 03/21/2009 10:38:29 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: Knute

I have heard that you can get a statement from your physician that you have a metallic implant to present to TSA. I don’t know how if it really helps.


45 posted on 03/21/2009 10:42:15 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (The Fairness Doctrine isn't about "Fairness" - it's about Doctrine.)
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To: cynwoody
SSSS is a transliterated Arabic acronym. Rough translation: Praise Allah! The operation is postponed.

Make sure to point that out to the tsa drone the next time you fly. Memorize your lawyer's phone number beforehand.

46 posted on 03/21/2009 12:43:57 PM PDT by kitchen (One battle rifle for each person, and a spare for each pair.)
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To: null and void
The government will track everyone's movements.

Hey, if you're not doing anything wrong, what do you have to worry about?

/what everyone said to me for years when I raised civil liberties issues.
47 posted on 03/21/2009 12:46:07 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: Hardastarboard
I have heard that you can get a statement from your physician that you have a metallic implant to present to TSA. I don’t know how if it really helps.

I have an ID card with the serial number and manufacturer of the implant, the name of the ortho surgeon who did the work as well as a PET/CT scan image of my right leg clearly showing the device in place. Might as well show them a cartoon from MAD Magazine!
The scar running about 9 inches straight across my kneecap should be a pretty good hint that the beep from the metal detector is coming from something intentionally placed inside.

48 posted on 03/21/2009 4:31:46 PM PDT by Knute
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To: Knute

Many people have letters from their knee doctors. I don’t know why security accepts letters since they could be from anyone or anywhere.


49 posted on 03/21/2009 7:32:51 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Kakaze

EXTREMELY GOOD POINT!!!


50 posted on 03/21/2009 7:51:09 PM PDT by stevie_d_64
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