I heard a Pubbie added the language about no lobbying, strikes, union organizing, etc. RATS are trying to strike that.
Let's hope the whole bill is sent down the crapper where it belongs.
That's how I read it. If so, this is a good thing. Now I guess I'll have to read the actual bill to confirm that.
I don’t know - if this wording is accurate, it looks like the government is attempting to suppress religious freedom - definitely unconstitutional. That would be like saying senators and reps may not attend church services while in office, right?
but this prohibition is only for when the little dears are on the govt clock.
I see nowhere there that it draws a distinction between being on, or off, the clock. I see where it says "a participant" may not engage..now, if you join (or are forced to), are you now a full participant whether or not you're on the clock?? This would be a question that definitely WOULD require clarification IMHO..but from what we've seen, the government isn't adverse to changing their minds and rules AFTER the fact when it comes to legislation (witness the AIG bonuses which were allowed, then retroactively taxed at x%)
We have to be very accurate with our criticisms. If people go off half-cocked about this, and then the MSM can clearly show that it's bunk, it makes it very easy for them to dismiss ALL criticism of the program.
“Don’t get me wrong, I think this whole GIVE/Obama Youth thing is creepy, but this prohibition is only for when the little dears are on the govt clock.”
Does that mean then that participants must only refrain from influencing legislation while they are on the clock? Does that mean that they must refrain from engaging in protests, strikes, petitions, etc. only when they are on the clock?
As posted here, it is worded to broadly for safety. It still needs to be seriously challenged.
Now, if the programs are only mandatory for those who accept government-backed education loans, etc., then my children will not be required.
We have two degreed young people thus far in among our children, and neither one of them borrowed money to earn their accredited degrees. They followed my instruction. I earned all the way through an accredited doctorate without borrowing a dime.
Of course, a pioneering spirit, and a willingness to change locations when necessary helps. Building one’s own home (with one’’s own hands and just a little help in labor from skilled family and friends) on a vacant lot over a two year period without a mortgage helped.
But I believe that from here on in, if people want freedom, they are going to have to ignore the system more than they do.
Don’t borrow. Don’t be in bondage. Don’t sign contracts that might obligate you to government stipulations.
Sure! You don’t get to live in a fancy indebted house quickly like your acquaintances do. Sure, you might have to sleep on a matress on the floor until you can pay cash for the bed frame. Sure. You may look backward to your extended family. Sure, your college degreee might have to wait five extra years.
Sure. Besides using your computer, you might have to learn to use a saw, a drill, a hammer, etc. Sure. You might have to do odd jobs for some years to put the groceries on the table.
To me, that is the American Dream anywway. Owning a quite sufficuent home debt-free. Driving a “get me here and there” automobiles debt-free. It’s more peaceful to the spirit. Not having to keep up with bank payment stubs. Never worrying about foreclosures.
I don’t really have a lower standard of living, because I actually own free and clear what I live in, while the man in the big fancy house down the road is paying out the nose and worrying about his income to stay in his house that is actually owned by the bank. I actually own more than he does, plus I have peace of mind.
Someone will say, “Okay, Smart Guy, not everyone can do that.” My answer is, “Right! Not EVERYONWE can, but more can, if they just will, than actually ever attempt it.”
The problem is that everyone is going to increasingly be on the government clock: banks, insurance companies, investment companies, the medical industry, and perhaps the oil and gas industry.
You heard the story about boiling the frog slowly? Well
this is it!
(7) Engaging in religious instruction, conducting worship services, providing instruction as part of a program that includes mandatory religious instruction or worship, constructing or operating facilities devoted to religious instruction or worship, maintaining facilities primarily or inherently devoted to religious instruction or worship, or engaging in any form of religious proselytization.
It wouldn't be much of a stretch to see some ACLU type bring some claim into court, and then some judge legislate from the bench that one cannot serve both God and government, ESPECIALLY in the 9th circus court.
EVEN IF this weren't ever the case, imagine someone serving in their church a few hours a week, and then the government mandating that they ALSO serve in a government program. How long before the person drops out of the church program?
Just like taxing people more, drops charitable giving, taxing their time will have the same affect.