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14 Dead in Rampage in Binghamton, N.Y. (Perp had a NY pistol license with another alias)
NY Times ^ | April 4, 2009 | ROBERT D. McFADDEN

Posted on 04/03/2009 11:21:36 PM PDT by neverdem

A gunman invaded an immigration services center in downtown Binghamton, N.Y., during citizenship classes on Friday and shot 13 people to death and critically wounded 4 others before killing himself in a paroxysm of violence that turned a quiet civic setting into scenes of carnage and chaos.

The killing began around 10:30 a.m. and was over in minutes, witnesses said, but the ordeal lasted up to three hours for those trapped inside the American Civic Association as heavily armed police officers, sheriff’s deputies and state troopers threw up a cordon of firepower outside and waited in a silence of uncertainty.

Finally, officers who had not fired a shot closed in and found a sprawl of bodies in a classroom, 37 terrified survivors cowering in closets and a boiler room and, in an office, the dead gunman, identified as Jiverly Wong, 42, a Vietnamese immigrant who lived in nearby Johnson City.

Two pistols and a satchel of ammunition were found with the body. In what the police...

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Little was known about the assailant Friday night. Cautious officials declined to name the gunman, but there appeared to be little doubt about his identity. The name Jiverly Wong was provided by a law enforcement official who declined to be named because he was not authorized to release information.

But the official said Mr. Wong had a New York State pistol license that listed two handguns, apparently the weapons he used at the immigration services center: a .45-caliber Beretta and a 9-millimeter Beretta. The authorities matched the serial numbers of the two weapons found with the gunman’s body to the serial numbers on the pistol license. Officials said they were trying to trace the histories of the guns. Other public records indicated that Mr. Wong had also lived in California in recent years...

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: banglist; binghamton; deathtoll; massshooting; shooting; voong
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1 posted on 04/03/2009 11:21:37 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

I’m glad he wasn’t using a semi automatic rifle.


2 posted on 04/03/2009 11:25:37 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: neverdem

Watch for this incident to be used by Obama and Congress to trample the Second Amendment.


3 posted on 04/03/2009 11:27:38 PM PDT by The Great RJ (chain.)
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To: neverdem

So does this imply the police waited around outside while a number of the wounded bled out?


4 posted on 04/03/2009 11:31:47 PM PDT by JLS
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To: The Great RJ

The Communist propaganda will continue1


5 posted on 04/03/2009 11:33:17 PM PDT by unkus
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To: The Great RJ

The real problem is immigration run a muck. We let anyone into this country, without requirements, sponsors and background checks. We have enough of our own nuts.


6 posted on 04/03/2009 11:35:12 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Bush's recession, Obama's depression.)
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To: neverdem

>But the official said Mr. Wong had a New York State pistol license that listed two handguns, apparently the weapons he used at the immigration services center: a .45-caliber Beretta and a 9-millimeter Beretta.<

Thank you for posting this.

I heard some noise on CNN about that.

2A is really in trouble now.


7 posted on 04/03/2009 11:35:21 PM PDT by Califreak (111th Congress: Destroying America With Reckless Abandon)
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To: neverdem

It appears common that whenever something happens like this the cops are on the scene within minutes but then spend hours outside the structure setting up command posts, placing SWAT teams, etc., etc.

Here the first 911 call went out close to 1030am and the cops went in at 130pm? What the hell?

Obviously they do this for their own safety but it is apparently not working out very well for the victims.


8 posted on 04/03/2009 11:38:27 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrats want nationalized health care? I'll take the coverage Congress has. Nothing less.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

The NRA and GOA should move immediately to put the grabbers on the defensive about why the public should depend exclusively on police to save them from the big bad psycho when all the police do is sit on their butts and wait while the victims bleed out.


9 posted on 04/03/2009 11:41:35 PM PDT by coydog (Proud to have slept through the Obama coronation!)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Obviously they do this for their own safety but it is apparently not working out very well for the victims.

It's a travesty. Their whole strategy and outlook is not geared for this, but for hostage standoffs. Note that this was even reported as a hostage standoff, because that's the way they were treating it. A travesty!

10 posted on 04/03/2009 11:43:30 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: neverdem

He could’ve done this with a few ball/powder revolvers.

Unarmed people are sheep, it’s just how it is despite liberalism.


11 posted on 04/03/2009 11:45:54 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: VeniVidiVici

Especially when you consider that cops are not well paid ... and get sued all the time.


12 posted on 04/03/2009 11:46:07 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Here the first 911 call went out close to 1030am and the cops went in at 130pm? What the hell? Obviously they do this for their own safety but it is apparently not working out very well for the victim

There is probably the makings of a dark comedy parody on reality movie there.

13 posted on 04/03/2009 11:48:59 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: VeniVidiVici

Usually the best footage of this is of the cops standing outside while the pops go on inside.

Do not EVER expect a cop to defend you. It’ll NEVER happen. My CCW of yore told me that 8 years ago. It’s how it is and always will be.

They are not heroes, they are looking out for #1. They’ll go in after the bodies are piled up and will start the paperwork. It is up to you to defend yourself, in *every* situation.


14 posted on 04/03/2009 11:49:00 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: JLS
Yep, just like at Columbine and VA Tech.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

15 posted on 04/03/2009 11:50:55 PM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? Go to www.myspace.com/rockfromtheright)
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To: Califreak
2A is really in trouble now

Yes the gun grabbers will be dancing in the blood again. 

16 posted on 04/03/2009 11:53:09 PM PDT by valkyry1
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To: The Great RJ
I'm sure all this took place in a gun free zone.

Its not the guns. Its the sickness of the times. Guns will be the scape goat. But it is all going to get worse as long as the state religion is moral relativism.

So much for hope and change.

17 posted on 04/03/2009 11:53:18 PM PDT by oyez (People! You're being pimped!)
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To: VeniVidiVici; JLS

Exactly, JLS made nearly the same point. I mean, what the hell?

Procedure and protocol mean very little when you are trapped with a madman or are inside bleeding to death.


18 posted on 04/03/2009 11:53:28 PM PDT by WildcatClan (Iam fimus mos ledo ventus apparatus)
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To: oyez

19 posted on 04/04/2009 12:00:27 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: VeniVidiVici
Not supposed to happen. After Columbine, training was changed nationally....first responders GO IN and stop the shooter. Liability.

If the first to arrive called SWAT and hunkered down, NY is going to have to raise taxes to pay the settlements.

20 posted on 04/04/2009 12:08:25 AM PDT by dasboot
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