Pentagon to end F-22 production

The Hill ^ | April 6, 2009 | Roxana Tiron

[hattend]

At 140 Million a pop, we could outfit a squadron for what we gave ACORN.

[RichInOC]

Vladimir Putin is Vladimir Putin in...

“To Play The Tsar.”

[Lurking in Kansas]

I think South Korea has a few dozen F-4s in service... maybe the Zero can buy them back... I’m sure they would be cheap...

[VaBthang4]

Professor_Leonide: 02/18/2009

[Old Teufel Hunden]

Semper Fi and calm down A.A. You and I are saying the same thing. They were not interested in the F-22 and passed on it instead willing to keep the F-18 and wait on the F-35.

[antisocial]

I seem to remember an article posted here a while back that said there was an up grade to the F-16s that would make them much better than F-22s and do it for millions less.

[Lurking in Kansas]

Oh looky, a Troll....

[TalonDJ]

we're going to wish like hell we had a system like the F-22 to deploy against them

No kidding! And then all the trolls will be whining about us not having them and accusing the contractors or deliberately sabotaging us. Replace "F-22" with "Oil" and "Lockheed" with "Walmart" and most of their whining sounds just like the liberals. It is one of the only things we are spending money on that is tailor made to 'protect and defend' us. One of the few weapons we are spending money on that will give real enemies pause. So do we keep that and go after unconstitutional welfare? Heck no! I want someone to tell me what the hell the Federal government is for if it is not to build us F-22's and the like?

[GOYAKLA]

Is the Government saying future wars will all be local and small? Then the question what plane would you wish to have?
My thinking is along the lines of a A-10”Warthog”. Rock solid and agile!

[GBA]

If there was, you can bet that we and all the countries that have them or build some variant based on it would be doing that upgrade.

[papasmurf]

Jintau, Putin, and Medvedev are smiling from ear to ear.

[Old Teufel Hunden]

"They are totally different beast with different requirements."

The articles that I have read said that the F-35 in conjunction with the F-22 were to replace the F-16 Falcons for the Air Force. It must do some of the same things for that to be the case. Again, we can only go by what we've read. Other than pictures, not a lot of people on this sight have even seen an F-22 or F-35. We can only go by what we've read. Before I react negatively to this report and blame it on Obama, I'm going to read more and hold my powder. There is a lot of waste in defense spending and the best defense for the F-22 in this article is that there are a lot of jobs at stake. That should never be considered when we are talking defense.

[jonascord]

It has always been my contention that it should hurt to be stupid. The Air Force could return to it’s Army Air Corps days and just test out new models. is an example of the truism of that contention.

The Air Force is required because of the simple physics of flight, and aerial force projection. Add up the following, if you know how to add.
Large masses accelerate more slowly than small masses. It takes more than a mile for a loaded B-52 to get airborn. A B-52 is VERY large. It will not fit on the largest aircraft carrier ever built. A single B-52 carries many times the bomb load of a carrier based bomber. Modern Strategic Bombing is meant to deny Command, Control, Communication and Logistics to the Enemy. A B-52 is a target, and largely unarmed. Fighters, such as the F-22, are required to protect bombers, so the bomber can fulfill it's mission. The Air Force works Way Deep behind the MLR

Now, add THESE facts up. The Primary Mission of Marine Air is to provide Close Air Support for ground troops, and if there is any time or ammo left, can provide air superiority. Notice how few Marine pilots went North on bombing missions during Viet Nam. It was not in the Mission Statement.

78% of the Earth is sea. The Navy projects force at sea, hence the haze gray paint job. Navy air protects carriers and all other shipping until the ship can unload on some Faraway Shore. An aircraft carrier, no matter how large , WILL SINK. Airplanes don't float.

The THREE branches are mutually supporting, even if the Air Force treats it like a 9 to 5 job. Navy Air covers the Sea, and bits close to the Sea, the Marine Air covers the actual combat zone, the Air Force fills in the rest.

No one likes Big Macs, and Walmart, so no one likes the US. Obamaq want to destroy it all, based on some hazy It's A Small World After All crack dream. We are trying to minimize the damage he is doing. You aren't too adept on this Logic thing, are you?

[hattend]

Loss of jobs is a reason given to Congresscritters because they only care about staying in Congress.

Tell a Congresscritter or Senator that 100,000 voters are not going to vote for you next time is motivation to keep an assembly line open.

Most Congresscritters wouldn’t know an F-22 from an F-86

[TalonDJ]

The reality.....

These fighters are only effective for early stealth strikes against heavily defended installations.

Do your homework. The F-22 has been, since the first moment it was a spark in some generals cortex, intended to do just one thing. That was NOT strike. That was to blow away every darn thing that attempted to challenge it in the air. It is called an Air Dominance Fighter for a reason. Whether the Zero will order it or not they will protect the country from attack. And anyone that things we will be immune to conventional attack after he ditches our nukes is fatally shortsighted.

[Professor_Leonide]

I served for 20 years in the military and retired a few years ago, so I really resent being called a DUmmy. I just think the Air Force doesn’t care about the other services and the F-22 is superfluous to our War on Terror.

[EGPWS]

I think South Korea has a few dozen F-4s in service... maybe the Zero can buy them back... I’m sure they would be cheap...

Oh good gawd all mighty, F-4's aren't energy star compliant, smoke like a smoke stack, move too fast, and are a flying tank!

We need to find a fighter design that can do mach 3, can't be seen, cost's nothing, enriches the environment, is powered by solar power, and shoots "Nerf Balls" that show worldly solidarity.

[papasmurf]

You base this opinion on what facts? Please, enlighten us all.

[manc]

had my speakers turned up and WOW when it first came on.

No worries obama is using the money to form his civilian security force to match that of the military and no worries Acorn will get money

all is good in obama world, we won’t be attacked, we’re safer now. the messiah is here, and yep the world loves us.
So what if China, Russia and others are building their military we have our civilian security force in place soon

ARF

[Professor_Leonide]

Are you in the U.S. Air Force?