Posted on 04/08/2009 7:27:54 AM PDT by Graybeard58
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich is warning Republicans and Democrats of a possible third-party mutiny in 2012 because of all the socialism being advanced by the White House and Congress.
Who's he kidding? The major political parties have a death grip on the electoral process, but for insurance, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., and Rep. John Larson, D-1st District (Ct), have submitted bills to create a full-blown, taxpayer-funded, campaign-finance machine created for and controlled by the incumbents.
Their proposals in principle are identical to the one Connecticut lawmakers enacted that has made it toughest on third-party candidates to qualify for campaign grants.
So there will be no mutiny because incumbents refuse to share their bounty.
I feel your pain, my FRiend. Michigan, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Illinois — we all seem to suffer the same infestation. Something in the water?
(At least he came out against defense cuts - as opposed to the lately failed GOP candidate.)
Thanks for the ping Graybeard.
Seems to me the Socialist/Democrats are stacking the deck with strategic moves intended to thwart the electoral process in America for many an election cycle to come.
Their arrogance and disrespect for the First Law of our land, the Constitution allows them to proceed without remorse.
Their arrogance and disrespect for the people of this land allows them to proceed without remorse.
Their legislations are dictates, and their rhetoric is condescension. There is no negotiating with tyranny.
There is the possibility they will cause their own “Let them eat cake” moment in history. For every action there is a reaction. Perhaps we shall see.
The longer they remain in power, time goes by, memories fade, and the survivalist in humanity becomes the focus. Whatever we do for ourselves today is what will be there for posterity.
We have to regard this moment in American history with the urgency the situation requires, and we must be extremely correct in what we do.
There are costs involved.
I sincerely believe the costs are too high to persue the course towards a third party.
Third party! There are between 17 and 19 forming right here on FRee Republic
You are advocating the Marxist strategy of making things worse so they make it better. Getting stuck with Obama and the Democrats in Congress now isn't the 'cure' for anything except prosperity, freedom, national sovereignty and strong traditonal values.
Destroying American in order to reform the GOP is about as smart as burning down your house because you dont like how the living room is painted.
Did those that refused to vote for mclame on principal think we got the better of the ONLY 2 potential situations? And now being prepared to continue letting the HNIC stay in office at least through two terms, do you now still think after 2016 America will remain recoverable? By then the socialists masters will have consolidated their grip and will honestly have no fear of any sustainable reversal BY ANY MEANS.
“The GOP stuck us with Obama and the rats with their deliberate denigration of conservative candidates.”
Most Republican officeholders ARE conservative.
Obama and the Democrats got elected by millions of brainwashed sheep-dipped liberals. It was over a BILLION in liberal special interest group money, campaign contributions and other funding that made it hard to compete. Dont blame the GOP for the fact that the other side outplayed us all.
It’s up to candidates and campaigns to win races and its whining to try to put responsibility elsewhere, especially on party orgs, who can only do so much (and not much in 2008 because RNC etc was tapped out). Where were all the whiners when conservative Republican Musgrave was in her re-election race? Did they help her, or did they act like welfare cases, doing nothing but expecting underfunded NRCC to bail them out?
THE GOP IS *US*. WE ARE THE GOP. IF WE HELP OUT, THE GOP IS HELPING. IF WE WHO ARE CONSERVATIVES DONT HELP CONSERVATIVES, WHO THE HECK ARE YOU EXPECTING TO HELP THEM? Sorry for shouting, but lets get real - you could just have accurately written:
We conservative Republicans stuck us with Obama and the rats with their deliberate denigration of Republican candidates, and non-help to conservative Republicans.
I ought to know. I tried helping a conservative Republican statehouse candidate. Few volunteers, no money ... not much at all. Very little was done. A solid conservative wouldnt help and was barely willing to bother voting.
CONSERVATIVES DIDNT CARE ENOUGH TO STOP OBAMA.
“I now have a socialist (not to mention criminal) congressman because the GOP withdrew party money late in his campaign. They called him a lost cause and he ended up losing by a whole 2%. They were never happy with him anyway because he defeated one of their RINOs for the seat in the first place.”
Win it back in 2010. Are in Andy Harris’ old seat? It sounds like that one. we should encourage Andy Harris to run again. He will win in 2010.
Neither do I, but there is a certain type of conservative romantic, especially among the neo-confederate types, who get a real KICK out of losing bigtime. It's clear that a lot of the moth-to-the-flame attraction for third parties comes from people who really would rather lose than ever bear the responsibility of winning, governing and building a different future. .... Must be watching too many re-runs of "Gone With the Wind" or something.
Correct. We will have to keep talking sense to these folks. While these splitters try to punish the GOP, the socialist Democrats are given a free hand to punish and destroy everything we cherish in America.
That party is the Republican Party. There are Republicans fighting for all those issues, and it is wrong to pretend they dont. They DO. The GOP won 55 million votes, about 55 million more than any 3rd party. If they didnt do exactly what you want, consider that they have 55 million others to cater to.
I’ll join them and I’d bet money that a significant % of the Democrat party would too.
The Democrat Obama stood for giveaways and ran against everything you mention, 100% opposed. The idea that there are millions of Democrats ready to sign up for conservatism ... well, go ahead, make my day - make it happen. (It wont).
‘the GOP hasn’t done anything good for us for years.”
That’s demented and wrong. Here in Texas, a GOP majority has helped us in a number of ways. Not much good has happened since 2006 at the national level, but that is because WE HAVE HAD A DEMOCRAT CONGRESS SINCE 2006 ELECTIONS.
“We have nothing to lose anymore.”
That’s beyond stupid. That’s stupid’s dumber cousin.
My children have a risk of growing up in a country that is as bankrupt as some 3rd world hell-holes - Obama and the Democrats are putting on a course of FISCAL BANKRUPTCY FOR USA.
There is ONE WAY and only one way to stop it. Win back the Congress for the GOP in 2010. By 2012, it will be too late - $5 trillion in new debt by then and his massive spending will be ‘locked in’. 2010 IS OUR ONLY HOPE BEFORE WE HEAD OFF THE CLIFF.
Nothing to lose?!?!? Sheeesh.
“Just look at the number of RINO’s. It’s growing not shrinking.”
BS. ZERO GOP VOTES FOR OBAMA’S FAUX STIMULUS. ZERO.
ZERO votes for his budget. You are talking nonsense.
“Even if a third party doesn’t win, (and it won’t) it may do better than Perot did.”
Perot delivered a victory for Clinton. If “Better” means delivering a far-left Democrat again, we dont need ‘better’.
Conservative third parties are a God-send for the socialist Democrats.
“You have a right to vote how you want. So do i. So let’s just let this one go. It’s not worth our time.”
Actually, it is worth our time. We need some straight talk for 2010.
Simple rule of life: United we stand, divided we fall.
Third parties divide us and dilute our power, giving the power to the liberals. Those liberals will destroy everything we believe in and cherish.
Staying home, divisiveness in the GOP, letting RINOs win primaries, voting third party, attacking/undermining our allies ... they are ALL just different ways we can let our precious vote get wasted. In some years it might have made sense to ‘send a message’ as that wasted vote didnt matter. IT WILL MATTER IN 2010.
I take this stuff personally now since my kids will be paying for the mistakes the voters made in 2008. If we dont correct the mistake we made by giving the Democrats the Whole Enchilada of Federal power in 2008, then my kids will face a bleaker life.
Our last chance to turn America around will be in 2010. WE CANNOT AFFORD TO BE STUPID WITH OUR VOTES THEN.
I have always voted person and not party, and honestly, 98% of the time the best PERSON was the Republican.
If people are not happy with the Republican running, I urge them to RUN THEMSELVES on the Republican ticket.
>> Neither do I, but there is a certain type of conservative romantic, especially among the neo-confederate types, who get a real KICK out of losing bigtime. It’s clear that a lot of the moth-to-the-flame attraction for third parties comes from people who really would rather lose than ever bear the responsibility of winning, governing and building a different future.
I think some of it comes from a “doom and gloom” strain of conservatism that seems to be becoming more prevalent. There are factions of people on this board that take pride in having a jaded view of America and its citizens. They seem to see optimism as a weakness, and cynicism as strength.
I see exactly the opposite. Cynicism is hopelessness, despondence, defeatedness. Cynicism is weakness incarnate. Conservatism, to me, is inherently optimistic. It is built, at its core, in an unshakable faith — in America, its people, conservatism, and the Almighty — and I simply cannot see how true faith can lead to the hopelessness I’ve seen around here for the last few months. Faith fosters hope, even in darkness — and it takes true strength to remain hopeful and optimistic in difficult times. We need to try harder to keep faith in their country and its citizens.
I am consistently surprised at how quickly the hope of my fellow conservatives can be broken. Do not forget in darkness that which He has shown you in the light.
SnakeDoc
“It took one Reagan but that was 30 years ago. Things are much worse now and we’re falling fast.”
We are falling fast because Obama won, and that far-left liberal and his nonsense was supported by over 60 million people. Declaring the GOP a lost cause while ignoring this salient point is like blaming the ship’s cook for a sinking ship.
If the GOP cannot build a majority party based on core conservative values of life & liberty ... THEN NO PARTY CAN.
1) I cared too. Cared enough to contribute and volunteer.
*How* did you act on your ‘caring’?
2) The GOP is *US*. I didn’t say ‘screw you’ to you, nor did I say it to conservative GOP candidates.
Did you say “screw you” to conservative Republican candidates by not helping them?
I see exactly the opposite. Cynicism is hopelessness, despondence, defeatedness. Cynicism is weakness incarnate. Conservatism, to me, is inherently optimistic. It is built, at its core, in an unshakable faith — in America, its people, conservatism, and the Almighty — and I simply cannot see how true faith can lead to the hopelessness I’ve seen around here for the last few months. Faith fosters hope, even in darkness — and it takes true strength to remain hopeful and optimistic in difficult times. We need to try harder to keep faith in their country and its citizens.
You are profoundly correct.
In Christian ethics, HOPE IS A VIRTUE.
Conservatives win only when they have a clear and optimistic vision. For all the Reagan-worship that goes on in conservative circles, there is little emulation in those same circles of Reagan's profound faith in America and his optimism that our best days are ahead. We need that back if we are ever to get the 'mojo' to win again.
I supported my candidate both in votes and cash. I even supported that piece of trash libtard groin leech McCain with a vote. (who by they way has repeatedly made his distaste for conservatives well known)
Now take your little RINO seminar to where somebody wants to hear it. I’m sure there must be democrats near where you are.
Building a majority party based on core conservative values of life & liberty is too much hard work. Its easier to fantasize about the South Rising again to start a new American Revolution. :)
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