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Made in His Image: Balancing Body Temperature (all these complexities must work together!)
ICR ^ | April 2009 | Randy J. Guliuzza, P.E., M.D.*

Posted on 04/09/2009 7:08:00 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts

Made in His Image: Balancing Body Temperature

by Randy J. Guliuzza, P.E., M.D.*

A major achievement for design engineers is building precise control mechanisms for active processes. Lives depend on the precision in which certain processes are maintained, such as the manufacture of drugs.

Even more vital to survival is the human body's complex, integrated system that maintains precise control over the body's temperature even when it generates tremendous quantities of internal heat through strenuous activity or is exposed to wide-ranging external temperatures...

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1 posted on 04/09/2009 7:08:02 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: editor-surveyor; metmom; Alamo-Girl; betty boop; GourmetDan; MrB; valkyry1; DaveLoneRanger; ...

Good article...Ping!


2 posted on 04/09/2009 7:08:55 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

Yeah, it’s called not wearing jeans and a heavy black T-shirt when riding your bike, going into a small, well air-conditioned space and subsequently blacking out from heat exhaustion.

I’m a much smarter rider now.


3 posted on 04/09/2009 7:16:49 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: GodGunsGuts
But...but...but... it just happened! Can't you see how easy evolution explains the simplicity of life!

Mark 14: 32They went to a place called Gethsemane, and Jesus said to his disciples, "Sit here while I pray." 33He took Peter, James and John along with him, and he began to be deeply distressed and troubled. 34"My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death," he said to them. "Stay here and keep watch."

35Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. 36"Abba,[e] Father," he said, "everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will."

37Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. "Simon," he said to Peter, "are you asleep? Could you not keep watch for one hour? 38Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak."

39Once more he went away and prayed the same thing. 40When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy. They did not know what to say to him.

41Returning the third time, he said to them, "Are you still sleeping and resting? Enough! The hour has come. Look, the Son of Man is betrayed into the hands of sinners. 42Rise! Let us go! Here comes my betrayer!

4 posted on 04/09/2009 7:28:46 PM PDT by WVKayaker ( God said, 'Cancel Program GENESIS.' The universe ceased to exist. - Arthur C. Clarke short story)
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To: wastedyears

It wasn’t the heat that got you; you failed to consume enough sea salt. You’re lucky to be alive.


5 posted on 04/09/2009 7:40:49 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

I could have died at the age of 17? That’s around 6 years ago.

There was the one day I fell off a stage and knocked myself out, probably negating a mastoidectomy; another time some kid knocked me out freshman year of high school.

For somebody that’s never broken a bone, I’ve put some pretty bad trauma on my brain, which is the worst.


6 posted on 04/09/2009 8:01:40 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


7 posted on 04/09/2009 8:26:09 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: wastedyears

Sounds like you live dangerously!

Seriously, the electrolyte imbalance from not getting enough salt can stop your heart just as effectively as a lack of C0-Q10 can.


8 posted on 04/09/2009 8:38:22 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor
"It wasn’t the heat that got you; you failed to consume enough sea salt. You’re lucky to be alive."

No, He just wasn't just not hydrated enough. He failed to drink enough fluids, and probably was dehydrated before he even started out.

Everyone has enough salt in their system, they don't need more just because they sweat. In fact most people these days have far too much salt in their system which is what causes them to retain to much fluids, have high blood pressure, bloating, and other nasty stuff.

We all need a small amount of salt in our system, but too much is also a deadly poison. We get more than we need from the food we eat, and no amount of sweating requires us to take more.

There was a time when the army thought we needed a salt tablet to help us retain water. But that was proven false ages ago.

If dehydrated people needed salt, why do you think people lost at sea die when they drink sea water?

9 posted on 04/09/2009 8:42:35 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: editor-surveyor

No, I don’t live dangerously. My body just has a knack for failing at inconvenient times. Like blacking out after drinking a beer, and one and a half glasses of sangria while eating Spanish food. It certainly was not the alcohol that did that; I’m guessing the sugar. I chewed the crystals when drinking it.

I would guess I should consume some amount of Gatorade daily. Or maybe something with a good electrolyte count, without the sugar.

Did you take classes for this stuff?


10 posted on 04/09/2009 8:46:24 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: editor-surveyor

Oh for cryin’ out loud.

Electrolyte imbalance ???

He probably has 100 times as much salt stored up in his body fat than he needs.


11 posted on 04/09/2009 8:47:20 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: wastedyears

What’s your glucose level? if you are blacking out, it isn’t from “sugar in beer or alcohol, because there is none.


12 posted on 04/09/2009 8:49:05 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

There are no carbohydrates in beer or alcohol, there are empty calories, yes. but NOT carbs.

You may have very very low glucose levles in your blood, ehich would cause you to black out even after drinking a half a beer. That’s because your body needs glucose to break down the alcohol. If you are hypo hypoglycemic, (Low sugar) you will pass out, and could even go into a coma!


13 posted on 04/09/2009 8:54:21 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

No, the bartender put sugar in the sangria I was drinking.

Unfortunately it will probably be a few months until I can afford a blood test.


14 posted on 04/09/2009 8:56:50 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: Nathan Zachary

An endocrinologist said I was pretty close to a coma after looking at the results of a blood test, which showed TSH and T3 or T4 at the complete opposite levels of what are considered normal.


15 posted on 04/09/2009 8:58:24 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: wastedyears

Many people think that diabetics shouldn’t have alcohol because it has “sugar”. That’s not true. Diabetics shouldn’t have alcohol because it causes them (me) to “crash”. A crash is when your blood sugar levels drop dangerously low.

A hypoglycemic, ( a sort of reverse diabetic, someone who has to constantly eat carbs) goes into a diabetic coma when their blood sugar drops below 4.0 mol. The same thing can happen to a diabetic who takes too much insulin.

Normally, a persons pancreas produces enough insulin to regulate he amount of glucose in your blood. If your diet doesn’t include enough carbs, then your body will produce glucose by burning fat surrounding your liver and intestines. That isn’t a healthy thing to do however. it causes your body to store even more fat in that area if you regularly deprive your body of carbs.


16 posted on 04/09/2009 9:05:32 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

I’d like to see the face of those on “low-carb” diets upon learning that information.

I don’t have hypoglycemia or diabetes. I have hypothyroid and primary hyperparathyroid disease. My body is pretty off, but thankfully no insulin pen for me. Mostly just constant fatigue as well as brain fog sometimes.


17 posted on 04/09/2009 9:09:52 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: Nathan Zachary
Sorry Bro....there are lots of carbs in beer and wine. Your notion of “empty calories” must refer to the relative absence of proteins, fatty acids, minerals and trace metals.
18 posted on 04/09/2009 9:13:36 PM PDT by kruss3 (Kruss3@gmail.comsto)
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To: wastedyears
"No, the bartender put sugar in the sangria I was drinking. Unfortunately it will probably be a few months until I can afford a blood test."

What? That's ridiculous. Find a diabetic and ask him/her to test your glucose. Or, just spend 50 bucks and buy a glucose monitor. If he said you were close to a coma, that means your sugar was dangerously low. 4 mol and under (3 mol is pass out time for most) When your sugar levels are that low all the time, your body starts producing glucose from your liver, which is a really bad thing. That's what causes fat to build up in your abdomen around your liver and intestines.

19 posted on 04/09/2009 9:16:59 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Hypoglycemia is a low blood glucose state caused by insulin levels persisting at elevated levels. No human has the ability to convert fatty acids into glucose. The liver does convert fatty acids into ketones when insufficient glucose is available from the gut.


20 posted on 04/09/2009 9:19:18 PM PDT by kruss3 (Kruss3@gmail.comsto)
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To: kruss3

No bro, there are no carbs in beer, just calories. big difference.


21 posted on 04/09/2009 9:19:46 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: kruss3
Wines may have sugars in them, but not beer. All the sugars in beer are converted to alcohol when it's fermented. Wines on the other hand, does not always ferment all the sugars out, hence sweet wines, dry wines.
Hard liquor has no sugars in them either. (unless you put mix in)
22 posted on 04/09/2009 9:22:19 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
You are mistaken. The human body produces ketones from fat, which are then used by a lot of cells.

The remaining cells, like the brain, need glucose, which is produced from glycogen stores.

If you don't have glycogen stores because you're low carbing, the glucose is made from amino acids using Gluconeogenesis instead.

it causes your body to store even more fat in that area if you regularly deprive your body of carbs.

Um, where did you get that idea from ?

23 posted on 04/09/2009 9:26:26 PM PDT by MetaThought
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To: Nathan Zachary
When your sugar levels are that low all the time, your body starts producing glucose from your liver, which is a really bad thing. That's what causes fat to build up in your abdomen around your liver and intestines.

When faced with a lack of sufficient carbohydrates in the diet, the human body breaks down protein (mostly from muscle) and uses so-called glucogenic amino acids in the glucose cycle and ketogenic amino acids in the fatty acid cycle, but this doesn't cause the buildup of omental fat.
24 posted on 04/09/2009 9:31:44 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: kruss3

I shouldn’t say NO carbs in beer. But as far as carbs go, there are only 2.5-5g carbs in a regular American beer.

As far as carbs go, that’s next to nothing. In fact, Non alcohol beers have 11-15g carbs.

I had to look it up to prove I was right, that diabetics can drink beers and liquor. Some people seem to think we can’t.

Other than the normal excessive alcohol intake problems that apply to everyone, there is no problem with alcohol and diabetes. The carbs are minimal.


25 posted on 04/09/2009 9:32:46 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: MetaThought

Look it up. I’m REALLY tired of having to do this to PROVE that your LIVER produces glucose when your dietary intake is insufficient. When your liver does this, it produces an excess of glucose, which is then stored as fats around your liver and intestines.

Simply type “Liver produces glucose” in google search. it should provide a wiki pedia link which will give you the medical terms


26 posted on 04/09/2009 9:37:13 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

The Liver does not produce glucose from fat.

The Liver produces glucose from glycogen or amino acids.


27 posted on 04/09/2009 9:42:01 PM PDT by MetaThought
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To: aruanan
"but this doesn't cause the buildup of omental fat."

yes it does, because your liver produces far too much of it and it is subsequently stored as fat around the liver and abdomen. That's why you see many type 2 diabetics carrying around that "spare tire". Unlike a type one diabetic, type 2's are more prone to low glucose crashes, and liver production of glucose.

look it up.

I just finished a 3 week course on the subject. I know what I'm talking about, being a diabetic myself.

28 posted on 04/09/2009 9:44:21 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
When your liver does this, it produces an excess of glucose, which is then stored as fats around your liver and intestines.

In the human body glucose cannot be converted to fat and fat cannot be converted to glucose. It lacks the necessary enzymes. Excess glucose is stored as glycogen. The body can store about 3 days of glycogen. If the intake of carbohydrates exceeds this buffer size, the body shifts its substrate oxidation away from fat oxidation and toward glucose oxidation. This is in the context of a hypercaloric diet in which caloric intake exceeds caloric expenditure. This is why people get fat. There is no storage form of protein. There is limited storage of glucose as glycogen. There is relatively unlimited storage for fat. If one is taking in more energy than one expends, the body preferentially burns proteins and carbohydrates, the excess energy is stored as fat that comes almost entirely from the diet. If you were to take fat samples from your diet for a few months and compare it to stored fats in adipose tissue, you'd have an almost exact match.
29 posted on 04/09/2009 9:48:29 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: MetaThought
"The Liver does not produce glucose from fat.

I never said it did. I said the excess is stored as fat.

Which is? Tissue. The liver itself, muscle etc. It releases the acids to break down the connectivve tissue to convert to glucose. So what's the problem? In short, the liver begins to produce glucose when your blood levels are too low. That's what I said

Because it always produces too much, it stores this excess glucose as fats around the liver and intestines. That is what I said.

30 posted on 04/09/2009 9:50:46 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary
yes it does, because your liver produces far too much of it and it is subsequently stored as fat around the liver and abdomen. That's why you see many type 2 diabetics carrying around that "spare tire". Unlike a type one diabetic, type 2's are more prone to low glucose crashes, and liver production of glucose.

look it up.

I just finished a 3 week course on the subject. I know what I'm talking about, being a diabetic myself


Type 2 diabetes is caused by insensitivity to insulin. The reason for this insensitivity is that high circulating fatty acids in the blood inhibit the action of insulin. The reason for the fat is from eating too much. If your energy intake does not exceed your energy output you cannot gain weight in fat. It's just a physical impossibility. I finished a Ph.D. on human nutrition and nutritional biology. I know what I'm talking about.
31 posted on 04/09/2009 9:54:09 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
Man, I never realized just how "uniformed" Americans are about their body functions. In the human body glucose certainly IS converted to fats. Where do you think excess glucose goes?

Why do you think people who eat too many carbs (bread, potatoes, sugars,) get FAT?

Buffer size? What are we, a hard drive?

"There is no storage form of protein"

Of course not. We store FAT!!!!!

"n the human body glucose cannot be converted to fat and fat cannot be converted to glucose. It lacks the necessary enzymes."

What the heck do you think your pancreas, digestive tract produces? Glocose is converted to What? by what? (hint: insulin) where does the excess glucose go? (hint: fat)

32 posted on 04/09/2009 10:02:27 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

Ok, there was a misunderstanding of some sort, then.

However, people do lose weight, and improve body composition by going low-carb.


33 posted on 04/09/2009 10:05:39 PM PDT by MetaThought
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To: aruanan
Maybe I know what you mean.

You are talking about FATS like butter, fats on meat, lard etc.

That kind of fat doesn't turn into glucose, and that kind of fat piles up on your body in much different ways than the fats converted from glucose.

That's why the abdominal fats around the liver and intestine are so very different than the fat hanging off someones thighs.

34 posted on 04/09/2009 10:11:58 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

One summer when I was 13 my brother and I rode 1000 miles on bicycles through the Ozarks in three weeks, averaging about 50 miles per day, with bicycles loaded with full camping gear. We usually drank 2 to 4 gallons of water a day. By the end of each day we’d be covered by a quite easily visible layer of salt crystals. To the point where rubbing the hand across an arm would produce something resembling a snow shower.

We discovered pretty quickly that we needed extra salt or we’d get cramps. We tried salt tablets washed down with warm water and found out even faster that induces vomiting efficiently.

We wound up putting unreal amounts of salt on our food, as in 1/8” of salt on a hamburger. Worked great. Oddly enough, didn’t taste overly salty. I figure that was the body letting us know what it needed.

So don’t tell me those who sweat a lot don’t need more salt.

I realize these were extreme conditions.


35 posted on 04/09/2009 10:16:18 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: MetaThought
Don't go Low carb. Go proper amount of carb. You NEED to have some carbs.

It depends on your lifestyle. If you are moderately active, then you need about 60-65g of carbs per meal. And you need to eat 3 times a day. If you are less active, cut back 10g or so. If you think you are going to loose weight by eating a nice green salad for lunch, you are wrong. Why? Because you don't have any carbs in a salad. And if your other 2 meals are carb deprived, your body will produce the glucose you need, and it ALWAYS produces more than you need. (hopefully using body instead of chemical secreting liver will prevent further techical discussion) That excess however is stored as FAT. Abdominal fat. Not leg fat, underarm fat, abdominal fat.

36 posted on 04/09/2009 10:18:57 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: MetaThought
"However, people do lose weight, and improve body composition by going low-carb." Well yes, probably because they were eating far too many carbs. 2 slices of bread for example (without anything on it) is 30 g of carbs. 4 slices is your meal limit of carbs. You have to count your carbs. A medium sized baked potato is only 15 carbs. The sour cream on it is none. (But thats fats). The steak to go with the baked potato isn't a carb either, it's protein and fat. So that leaves you with at least 40 carbs laking. That means you can have that 1/2 cup ice cream with a slise of pie for desert.
37 posted on 04/09/2009 10:28:46 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Sherman Logan
That is very extreme though. Not like a normal person going for a bike ride one day after sitting in a basement playing video games for a month.

And the reason you sweat out all that salt is because you had far too much stored up to begin with.
I'll bet after that was gone, you didn't have salty sweat anymore, it was much sweeter tasting, like cucumber sort of.

I know, I used to do a lot of running, 14 miles a day. On weekends I rode 70 miles to the cabin on my bike.

38 posted on 04/09/2009 10:33:27 PM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

I would implore you to immerse yourself into the science of diabetes metabolism. It may extend your life by a decade or more. Please note that the conventional wisdom on 40 years of treatment protocols and psuedo science has recently been revealed by the NIH ACCORD STUDY last year. It proved that that the commonly prescribed medications and insulin killed 22% more people than the high blood sugar in the uncontrolled high glucose group. The medications have been prescribed inorder to give people like you a false sense of security and the willingness to consume 300% to 500% more carbs than you should be consuming. Alcohol is a sugar and has lots of carbs in it.


39 posted on 04/10/2009 12:32:58 AM PDT by kruss3 (Kruss3@gmail.comsto)
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To: Nathan Zachary
"n the human body glucose cannot be converted to fat and fat cannot be converted to glucose. It lacks the necessary enzymes."

What the heck do you think your pancreas, digestive tract produces? Glocose is converted to What? by what? (hint: insulin) where does the excess glucose go? (hint: fat)


Glucose enters the body from the digestive system and is transported in the blood. An elevated blood glucose level triggers the release of insulin that enables cells to take up the glucose from the blood. In type I diabetes, there isn't enough insulin to do this, requiring exogenous insulin. In type II diabetes, the cells become resistant to normal amounts of insulin the body produces and have difficulty taking in the glucose, requiring exogenous insulin.

The human body lacks the enzyme machinery to convert fat to glucose and glucose to fat. There is limited de novo lipogenesis in the human. It happens when the body is subjected to chronic excess energy intake. The reason many people with type II diabetes are fat is because they overeat and the high levels of circulating fatty acids interfere with insulin function and they become resistant to the insulin, thus developing what is known as type II or adult onset diabetes. People with type II diabetes are NOT fat because insulin turns their glucose to fat for two reasons: 1. insulin doesn't turn glucose to fat anyway, and 2. people with type II diabetes are less, not more, sensitive to insulin.
40 posted on 04/10/2009 9:32:54 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Nathan Zachary

Boy are you confused!

Your cells cannot hydrate without adequate salt, and that means sea salt, not the poison from the grocery store.

And no, sea salt cannot poison you in any kind of quantity that you could conceivably ingest.


41 posted on 04/10/2009 9:35:30 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: wastedyears

Skip the Gatoraid; it has artificial sweeteners that are far more harmful than ordinary refined sugars.

Just spend the dough for the sea salt. It works.


42 posted on 04/10/2009 9:38:16 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: wastedyears
Yeah, it’s called not wearing jeans and a heavy black T-shirt when riding your bike

One of my profs decided to wear a rubber suit while jogging on a summer's day. He cooked his liver and died in the middle of a park. The course? Biology.

43 posted on 04/10/2009 9:38:48 AM PDT by Glenn (Free Venezuela!)
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To: Nathan Zachary

I was close to a coma due to my TSH and T3 or T4 levels being off the charts in the wrong directions.


44 posted on 04/10/2009 11:14:23 AM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: Nathan Zachary

I was still pretty active at 17, roller blading, biking everywhere, playing hockey at least a few times a month for a few hours. But that day, I just don’t know what happened.


45 posted on 04/10/2009 11:23:05 AM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: editor-surveyor

Do you mean iodized salt?


46 posted on 04/10/2009 11:26:42 AM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: Glenn

At least you got a good lesson.


47 posted on 04/10/2009 11:27:11 AM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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To: GodGunsGuts

LOL!

Looks like this thread got hi-jacked down the road.

Good stuff though.

Keep the Synthroid coming.


48 posted on 04/10/2009 11:37:33 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: wastedyears

Definately not!

Get air dried sea salt, not processed salt.


49 posted on 04/10/2009 11:49:56 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

I take Synthroid


50 posted on 04/11/2009 12:29:35 PM PDT by wastedyears (April 21st, 2009 - International Iron Maiden Day)
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