It may be that the loss of your freedoms might lead to more than strip searching your children. It is now being exploited to justify a grab of your weapons.
So your children and your gun rack get stripped.
Posted on 04/20/2009 3:08:13 AM PDT by BykrBayb
The case of a 13-year-old Arizona girl strip-searched by school officials looking for ibuprofen pain-reliever will be heard by the U.S. Supreme Court this week.
The justices in January accepted the Safford school district case for review, and will decide whether a campus setting gives school administrators greater discretion to control students suspected of illegal activity than police are allowed in cases involving adults in general public spaces.
The case is centered around Savana Redding, now 19, who in 2003 was an eighth-grade honors student at Safford Middle School, about 127 miles from Tucson, Arizona. Redding was strip-searched by school officials after a fellow student accused her of providing prescription-strength ibuprofen pills.
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Redding was pulled from class by a male vice principal, escorted to an office, where she denied the accusations.
A search of Redding's backpack found nothing. Then, although she never had prior disciplinary problems, a strip search was conducted with the help of a school nurse and Wilson's assistant, both females. According to court records, she was ordered to strip to her underwear and her bra was pulled out. Again, no drugs were found.
In an affidavit, Redding said, "The strip search was the most humiliating experience I have ever had. I held my head down so that they could not see that I was about to cry."
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"War On Drugs" = the loss of your freedom.
It may be that the loss of your freedoms might lead to more than strip searching your children. It is now being exploited to justify a grab of your weapons.
So your children and your gun rack get stripped.
You dismiss this like they weren't after something important. This was, after all, a major drug case - ibuprofen.
I hope she wins. Being that she was a student with no prior trouble they should have known better.
Her record certainly adds to the situation, but I fail to see how it could be okay to sexually assault a 13 year old child, even if they thought she was guilty of a crime. Can you imagine your employer doing this to you?
Maybe the Supreme Court will put “common” back into sense!
I heard that... wait, what?
OMG, the ibuprofen scourge must be stopped, we need to cancel the "War On Drugs" and start the "War On Freedom" to keep the silly people from harming themselves.... uh never mind... I guess that one started quite a few years ago.
The "War on Drugs" IS a war on your freedoms!
I am not a bit anti-war on drug person, but strip searching young girls crosses the line and for ibuprofen makes it ridiculous.
Had she been my daughter, the school officials would have seen an extremist in action, up close and personal.
Agreee the strip-searched by school officials sounds more like the OFFICIALS have a thing for kids.
“Being that she was a student with no prior trouble they should have known better.”
Her being a student with or without prior trouble has no bearing in my opinion.
The school should not be strip searching. They should also not be punishing children for ibuprofen just as if it were cocaine.
Exactly right.
This kind of abuse happens because most people are too timid to stand up for themselves and their families.
Amen. A father has to be ready and willing to protect his own.
People are losing their freedoms day by day, and most do not even know it. It is like a frog slowly getting boiled ...if you do it slowly enough it will work seamlessly. Even FReepers are caught in this slow-boil too ...
....case in point: The video about the girl who was getting beaten up by some cop in a police station holding area, simply because she had kicked off her shoe in his direction. While most FReepers (correctly) noted that there was NO EXCUSE for a cop to beat up a teen girl because she kicked off a shoe, there were A NUMBER who gave excuses (e.g. it was wrong what she did / maybe the cop was ticked off / maybe it hit him etc). All sorts of rationalizations.
Don't get me started on the other case of a traveller getting detained because he had several thousand Dollars on his person. If one does not want to answer, and does not HAVE to answer, then one can decide not to answer. Even if he has nothing to hide. Oh, and while we are on having 'nothing to hide,' when the patriot act first came out there was so much support, simply because a person on our side had proposed it. Well, power changes sides during elections, and if Obama really is the dictator in waiting some claim he is, some of those 'not-a-problem-if-you-have-nothing-to-hide' edicts can have a mean bite!
I would not be surprised if someone defends this stripping of the 13 year old ...although maybe it is not a cop who did it will probably make them not come to its defence, but I am almost certain if it was a cop then some excuse would have been fronted by some.
Perhaps, but I'm not optimistic. The Rehnquist and Roberts Courts have not been terribly kind to students' civil rights, and in about 75% of the cases taken by the Supreme Court, the lower court is reversed.
This type of stuff is unquestionably out of control, but parents have demanded it through things like zero tolenance policies. Zero tolerance means zero tolerance, so you get things like this.
It is the zero tolerence crap again...take away all common sense and this is what you get
Idiots.
Bullcrap.
And the drug suspected- ibuprofen. She was an honors student; so why did her perents have her in Government School in the first place? That is pretty close to child abuse.
Incidents like this in the public school system are why my husband and I have decided to home-school our daughter.
“”War On Drugs” = the loss of your freedom.”
Right. The problem isnt the drugs, its the laws. Crack, heroin, meth, no big deals. Brilliant.
The problem here is the lack of perspective shown by the school administration. They blew a fuse when someone allegedly violated one of their little edicts. A common household pain reliever that can be obtained in any drug store. I’m surprised they stopped at stripping the kid and didnt go all the way to a body cavity search. After all, the school has rules!
I don’t understand how effeminate this country has become. The fact that school officials believed that they could get away with this and then actually get away with it blows my mind. If this were my daughter I would honestly have let this go under the radar for a year or two and then in the wee hours of the night, this person would have met a fate most unwelcome. (And I am not joking even a little bit).
Yeah, they must be pedophiles. Otherwise this makes no sense. I mean Ibuprofen? I wouldn't be surprised if the principle had hidden cameras set up so he could watch. They should check his home computer for child porn.
The US is fast becoming a total police state.
Everyone needs to remove their children from public schools since everyone must protect their children from public school officials. I mean, if I had to tell my daughter to run away and call me and the police that someone was trying to sexually assault her if they tried to strip search her then it is time to abolish public schools. I would slaughter anyone who tried to strip my little girl.
“...but I am almost certain if it was a cop then some excuse would have been fronted by some.”
I don’t know what authority a cop has to do that on school property, but if taken into custody I think just about everyone gets strip-searched these days.
Well a cop apologist! Spetznaz hit that one on the head. No, most people don't get stripped searched these days when arrested. They certainly don't get arrested for having ibuprofen on their person, or suspicion of having it. Juveniles especially don't get stripped.
Do you recall the post with the video of the cops strip searching the good looking woman and the subsequent law suit that followed and is still on going? You can't be stripped searched except in extreme cases and then usually only after you have been convicted of a crime and sent to prison.
You are apologizing for cops when they were not even involved, in effect saying that it is ok to strip 13 yo girls if cops do it!
Never loose site of who is running our so called education system and that the true purpose of that system is control of the masses. Even our MSM says that someone must do the thinking for the masses.
“You are apologizing for cops when they were not even involved, in effect saying that it is ok to strip 13 yo girls if cops do it!”
I am not apologizing for anything, [DELETED], just pointing out what I believe are facts. I think this school district and the individuals involved should be sued into bankruptcy and charged with crimes against a minor.
Someone mentioned the police. I merely pointed out that one would probably get a very thorough going-over if taken into custody. It’s called a body-cavity search and they do it to make sure a prisoner doesn’t have a weapon or drugs they can use to harm themselves or others.
I DO NOT believe that any school employee, public or private has the authority to strip search any student, especially over something as silly as aspirin.
Wand them for weapons, yes. Lock them in a room until the police arrive, yes. Subdue them if they are violent and restrain them, probably.
Does that clear things up a bit?
I am not pro-drugs by any means, but I agree this crosses the line.
I started to say "It depends on who 'they' are, but then I realized it doesn't. At this point, he's given up his right to object to any kind of search from anyone.
This is where parents run the school system and they are largely unaffected by general educational trends. This is the context that we are looking at, not an urban or suburban educational complex. For a town that size, they have several world class charter schools. By world class I mean head on agaist any comparable school in the world. The public schools are very good to excellent. That is an amazing record considering that the population is nearly 50% minority. They just don't take diversity as an excuse. They demand that the Mexican kids perform and they do.
It is a very conservative community. Several years ago they had a sheriff who threw the feds out of the county. The State, too. His office was the supreme constitutionally authorized law enforcement body and he wasn't taking direction from anyone. The Feds still tread lightly there.
When you mix religion and government sometimes you get something you don't expect. It can go overboard in the sin department. Here are the rules and you don't break the rules. It is, and it seems to us, excessively authoritarian but I doubt that they gave it a second thought. I'm sure that they will next time. They just didn't realize anything was untoward.
Oh yeah, the "War On Drugs" is just working so well, isn't it?! What got this ball rolling was the "WOD", as governments always do, they over-reach into every facet of a citizens life while "enforcing" misguided laws, but in this case it isn't even a law, its a policy, because they were to chickenshit to get a Constitutional Amendment like they did for alcohol... Why? because it gives them more leeway in "Enforcement".
But keep up the 'ole "Drug War" I'm sure sooner or later it will work...Not! and everyone will continue to suffer the consequences... especially with Government paid idiots running the schools, that is why aspirin, midol and vitamins get kids bounced out of school every year.
End the so called "War on Drugs" and you will watch the crime rates plummet just as happened with prohibition, You will also save the BILLIONS spent every year propping up a completely failed policy, you will have many blatantly UNCONSTITUTIONAL Government/LEO forfeit practices fall by the wayside, and in the end have some of your freedoms restored.
See the monetary and human impact of the failed "War On Drugs"
I am talking about the Constitutionalists Freepers and Conservatives in general, who believe that our founders designed and implemented the blueprint for any successful society...
How can someone on one hand preach the founders intent on Individuality, Personal Responsibility and a restricted Government and on the other hand, arbitrarily strip a citizen of his rights, property and freedom for no other reason than the citizen likes to put a "drug" that someone else does not like, in THEIR OWN body.
If "enlightened" and "knowledgeable" Freepers can't get it, how can the average idiot?
...AOV goes back to reading Atlas Shrugged and prepares for his demise...
30 posts AGAINST this action only 1 FOR the right to search, and you’re complaining?
You need to explain yourself.
There are laws against drugs because they are addictive and destructive to the individual as well as society. Addicts commit crimes (often violent) to satisfy their dependency. Whats the alternative to drug laws, a country full of stoners and addicts? Real productive. Works great in Amsterdam.
Well not that I really "need" to explain myself, but...
I was not just talking about the strip search, but the "War on Drugs" policy as a whole.
People will see this story and say "oh that's bad" how could (Insert people or Institution to be blamed for incident) they do that! without noticing what is causing this type of stupidity... government intrusion.
You've read of the government tentacles that invade Everything.. well the "War On Drugs" tentacle is Popeye sized and has been growing and invading pretty much every facet of the American way of life for over 30 years with little to no impact.
The fact that we were in a very similar situation during prohibition, rampant crime... shootings, robbery, bootlegging which was caused by... wait for it... the government... a lot of the major crime (Including massive government corruption) was tied to prohibition, (hmmm, same as the War On Drugs).
When Prohibition was repealed did the nation as a whole turn into a bunch of drunks, just living for happy hour? you know the answer... no they didn't and it is a typical straw man argument.
Without undue intrusion on their lives, people will do what people have always done, work, pay taxes and have a drink or a smoke.
I’ve always wondered about the type of people who, with all the political causes out there, choose freedom to take drugs as their favorite. Not being a drug user I might not be as familiar with the excesses of the WOD as you are, but in general I think that laws directed at restricting the use of highly addictive substances are not necessarily bad.
And when someone can't counter an argument they inevitably go to personal attacks, assuming I am a drug user or I support drug users... not a good way to counter a factual argument.
If you have read any of my posts around FR then YOU would know my main "thing" is the Constitution and therefore any thing that violates it I take an interest in.
“And when someone can’t counter an argument they inevitably go to personal attacks, assuming I am a drug user or I support drug users... not a good way to counter a factual argument.”
While I’ll admit that my comment was somewhat of a cheap shot, the underlying question is legitimate. With so many egregious violations of the constitution being committed for decades, there have to be better fights to pick than worrying about laws that mainly effect drug abusers. There are plenty of law abiding, hard working people whose rights get trampled every day. I am much more concerned with fighting for them. When those fights are done, maybe I will be more sympathetic to the dopers.
No it was a pitiful, but not unexpected cheap shot... But it gave me a great idea... to bury the dagger per se...I now dedicate my previous post to you...sir Hacklehead Great Defender of the Constitution... in moderation of course.
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After writing my last post I had to sit her and just shake my head, many of you come to Free Republic to keep up on current event and share your views on a myriad of subjects so most here are very well informed and thoughtful... But I am also completely amazed with the number of people that don't practice what they preach.
I am talking about the Constitutionalists Freepers and Conservatives in general, who believe that our founders designed and implemented the blueprint for any successful society...
How can someone on one hand preach the founders intent on Individuality, Personal Responsibility and a restricted Government and on the other hand, arbitrarily strip a citizen of his rights, property and freedom for no other reason than the citizen likes to put a "drug" that someone else does not like, in THEIR OWN body.
If "enlightened" and "knowledgeable" Freepers can't get it, how can the average idiot.
...AOV goes back to reading Atlas Shrugged and prepares for his demise...
Passing laws is addictive and destructive to the individual as well as society.
Advil?
Frigging schools.
Sand, meet head. Meathead.
You, sir, are living in a delusional fantasy world.
You, sir, are living in a delusional fantasy world.
Yeah that's what they told all the Anti-prohibition activists back then, as for the "delusional fantasy" part.. you could'nt think of a better counter to the argument... sad very sad.
Untold billions being spent every year for what? This "war" has been raging for over 30 years and you know what the feds got for the buck... nothing except the rights they have stripped from you... Go to the Airport with a sizable sum of your money and have it forfeited because you can't prove it NOT drug related... wake up one night and your door is being kicked in on a "No Knock Drug Warrant", oops their bad, wrong house and tough crap for the damage and or deaths...
No I'm afraid the "fantasy world" is all yours for putting faith in a program that even government officials are calling a failure.
Because I’ve been in more drug legalization threads than I care to count. You want to look them up, be my guest. I’ve heard every excuse in the book from you folks, and none has yet to be convincing. You have all these ludicrous theories on how it will all be Nirvana if only we legalized all this crap and you don’t have one f**king clue what’s going to happen. But it ain’t gonna be what you think it is. No, what it is is pure selfishness on you drug afficianadoes parts. It’s all an excuse to f**k yourselves up without “The Man” getting in the way of your good time. Well, sorry ace. Because unless you’re living on a deserted island with no friends, family or neighbors to give two $hits about you, it DOES affect the rest of us.
You’re using this absurd situation at this school to get on your little soapbox and act all indignant. The problem in this case has NOTHING to do with drugs, it has to do with the public schools themselves. The allegation could’ve been over stolen money, cigarettes, or a weapon or some other item with the same thing happening with respect to a strip search. But hey, don’t let that stop you from going off on an anti-WOD tangent. Hey, what if the kid brought a flask of Bourbon or some Marlboros ? That’s already legal. How you gonna spin that one, ace ?
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