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In GOP base, a 'rebellion brewing'
The Politico ^

Posted on 04/26/2009 6:03:07 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

In GOP base, a 'rebellion brewing' By: Ben Smith and Jonathan Martin April 26, 2009 07:03 AM EST

A quick tour through the week’s headlines suggests the Republican Party is beginning to come to terms with the last election and that consensus is emerging among GOP elites that the party needs to move away from discordant social issues.

There was Sen. John McCain's daughter and his campaign manager who last week demanded that their fellow Republicans embrace same-sex marriage. Utah Gov. Jon Huntsman – the most devoted modernizer among the party's 2012 hopefuls – won approving words from New York Times columnist Frank Rich for his call to downplay divisive values issues. The party’s top elected leaders in Congress, meanwhile, spooked by being attacked as the “party of no,” were recasting themselves as a constructive, respectful opposition to a popular president.

But outside Washington, the reality is very different. Rank-and-file Republicans remain, by all indications, staunchly conservative, and they appear to have no desire to moderate their views. GOP activists and operatives say they hear intense anger at the White House and at the party’s own leaders on familiar issues – taxes, homosexuality, and immigration. Within the party, conservative groups have grown stronger absent the emergence of any organized moderate faction.

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To: YankeeReb
Maybe Sen. John McCain's daughter should start her own party - her father can join...

Then the rest of us can start running conservatives...

121 posted on 04/27/2009 8:47:55 AM PDT by GOPJ (We sleep safe..because rough men stand ready..to visit violence on those who would do us harm-Orwell)
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To: anniegetyourgun

“It’s dead, Jim”


The self-destruct sequence alpha, alpha, alpha, one has been activated.... The Enterprise will self-destruct in T-minus 2 years.


122 posted on 04/27/2009 11:34:45 AM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: Max in Utah

“Did anyone ever come up with a good explanation of how John McCain ended up with the nomination? He was tied for last choice in my book.”


Same here. I am not a conspiracy guy but that was fishy.

CLOSE THE PRIMARIES.


123 posted on 04/27/2009 11:41:50 AM PDT by GreyMountainReagan (Liberals do not view the book 1984 as a warning but as a textbook.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...
A quick tour through the week's headlines suggests the Republican Party is beginning to come to terms with the last election and that consensus is emerging among GOP elites that the party needs to move away from discordant social issues... But outside [the NY Times op-ed pages and] Washington, the reality is very different. Rank-and-file Republicans remain, by all indications, staunchly conservative, and they appear to have no desire to moderate their views. GOP activists and operatives say they hear intense anger at the White House and at the party's own leaders on familiar issues -- taxes, homosexuality, and immigration. Within the party, conservative groups have grown stronger absent the emergence of any organized moderate faction.

124 posted on 04/27/2009 11:46:17 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Sub-Driver

I know EXACTLY how the GOP can start winning again:

Stop apologizing for policies they know to be both Constitutional, and that work.

If they can’t comprehend that, they can try this instead:

Stop apologizing.


125 posted on 04/27/2009 11:46:39 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: ilgipper
California is off the cliff politically...the GOP is dead out there.

Yeah, most capable of critical thought saw the GOP as being dead some years ago. After Bush, and then Schwarzenegger heading up the GOP here, it only helped finish off what was left of that party.

126 posted on 04/27/2009 11:56:46 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Avoid crowds, buy your, "Pedros Pig Farm, Juarez, Mexico", T-shirt)
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To: Maelstorm
It wasn’t Republicans opposition to illegal immigration, that loses elections.

lol...If you believe that, you'll believe anything.

Their lying, corruption, they're arrogant, big government, big spending, and open borders positions, is exactly what sent that party into the toilet.

127 posted on 04/27/2009 12:00:40 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Avoid crowds, buy your, "Pedros Pig Farm, Juarez, Mexico", T-shirt)
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To: Maelstorm
It wasn’t Republicans opposition to illegal immigration

My point is, there was no opposition from the Republican insiders.

128 posted on 04/27/2009 12:02:34 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Avoid crowds, buy your, "Pedros Pig Farm, Juarez, Mexico", T-shirt)
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To: GOPJ

They already have one. It’s called the Democrat party.


129 posted on 04/27/2009 12:16:14 PM PDT by DangerZone (Union now, Union forever - Country first , Politics second)
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To: Max in Utah

The MSM lavishing praise on him plus a split conservative vote.


130 posted on 04/27/2009 12:32:15 PM PDT by DangerZone (Union now, Union forever - Country first , Politics second)
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To: Diggity; wardaddy
Looks like some Republicans would rather tell someone how to run their life then protect the constitution.

Your objections to the side, you will stop *nothing* without the Christian Right. They are, by far, the largest voting bloc in the country. There is *no* Conservative way to victory without them. It is mathematically impossible.

On the other hand, it is relatively easy to support a candidate who is both a libertarian, and thereby supports your views necessarily, and supports the basic principles that the Social conservatives require, not to mention also supporting the principles of the Fiscal and Defense conservative factions as well.

That is the agreement which brought us Reagan Conservatism, and it's vast success. *No* conservative principle need be compromised, including the prerequisites of the Christian Right.

To demand that any faction must take a back seat, or be thrown under the bus, is not Conservative, is not good, and will not be successful.

131 posted on 04/27/2009 1:44:00 PM PDT by roamer_1 (It takes a (Kenyan) village to raise an idiot.)
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To: SeattleBruce
"Within the party, conservative groups have grown stronger absent the emergence of any organized moderate faction.”

This is a good sign, and indicative of rallying the base in the way Reagan did. Who will step up nationally to do so? 2010 comes first however.

It is also false. The moderates are still very much in charge of the Republican party - both the leadership in Congressional houses, and the RNC. The Republican message is certainly being crafted, and certainly has not changed from before the election, unless it has become even more liberal than before.

132 posted on 04/27/2009 1:49:40 PM PDT by roamer_1 (It takes a (Kenyan) village to raise an idiot.)
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To: roses of sharon

If the Republicans hadn’t turned into an extension of Jerry Farwell then we wouldn’t have half the kooks we have in Congress and certainly not a Socialist in the White House.

Republican party has been ruined by the all of gay rights, abortion crap.

Let’s worry about governing and teaching our kids right from wrong rather what some perverts are doing.

John


133 posted on 04/27/2009 3:41:58 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: Diggity

Have the doctor check your meds, you’re out in left field.


134 posted on 04/27/2009 3:44:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: roamer_1

That voting bloc did a really good job of stopping Obama.

They stayed home in 2006 and gave up Congress and then set on their hands doing the last election.


135 posted on 04/27/2009 3:45:14 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: MHGinTN

How do you like having an illegal alien and Communist in the White House?


136 posted on 04/27/2009 3:47:00 PM PDT by Diggity
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To: Diggity

The majority of Republicans in Congress, and our last Presidential candidate pander to the gay mafia, and think abortion is a “crap” issue. As did the Republicans under Bob Michel years ago.

And the evidence shows they cannot govern, cannot lead, have no spine, no principles, and battle the rightwing more than the commies.

They are useless.


137 posted on 04/27/2009 4:14:39 PM PDT by roses of sharon (Pray Hussein fails!)
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To: Diggity
That voting bloc did a really good job of stopping Obama.

Yes... hmmm. For the first time since Reagan, the Republican candidate and VP candidate did not support the full Pro-life agenda, and both candidates were less than stalwart on battling the homosexual agenda. The traditional Value Voters forum was ignored, and intentionally replaced with Rick Warren and the inarguably liberal Saddleback forum. And you WONDER why the Christians didn't show up in strength?

They stayed home in 2006 and gave up Congress and then set on their hands doing the last election.

That is not just the Christian Right, but ALL Conservatives. Every faction, including libertarians and the Reaganites too. Conservatives vote *FOR* Conservatives, not against others... That is a quintessentially Conservative trait which Republicans have never been able to understand, and will never be able to control with bogeyman politics.

That is why the politics of "pragmatism" never work. If a candidate cannot successfully harness all three pillars of Conservatism (which is done in the ability to stand upon the principles of all of those factions), the factions which are *not* represented will fall back into the turbulent ocean of the general electorate. There is *no Conservatism* without *all of Conservatism*.

That IS the lesson of '06, which has been reiterated in '08.

138 posted on 04/27/2009 4:17:19 PM PDT by roamer_1 (It takes a (Kenyan) village to raise an idiot.)
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To: Diggity

How is that question related to your specious bullfeathers spittled out to insult people of Faith and those opposed to slaughtering alive unborn children? Again, have your meds adjusted.


139 posted on 04/27/2009 4:20:12 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: Just A Nobody
Very interesting, thanks for making me aware of these groups. Other than fellow elitists, do they have any membership?

Iowahawk skewers the better class of Republicans in his T. Coddington Van Voorhees VII pieces.

140 posted on 04/27/2009 7:03:19 PM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (Obama, the American Allende.)
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