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STAND! Regardless of the Cost.

Posted on 04/26/2009 8:19:09 AM PDT by Lloyd Marcus

As in the Civil War, the Obama administration is straining relationships. Here is my letter to Al (not his real name) a fellow black, long time friend and mentor. Dear Al, I didn't pick up when you called because I don't know how you will re-act to what is going on in my life. I've become famous for my “American Tea Party Anthem” which opposes the policies of Obama. I know you're a HUGE Obama fan and believe ALL who oppose him are evil. So, you can understand how I find myself in an awkward position. I'm totally accepting of your feelings of support for the president. Can you accept my disapproval of his policies which I believe to be wrong for America? As friends of 30 years, can we agree to disagree? God bless, Lloyd

Folks, are you finding yourselves in similar situations? How are you dealing with it?

Lloyd Marcus


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As in the Civil War, the Obama administration is straining relationships. Here is my letter to Al (not his real name) a fellow black, long time friend and mentor. Dear Al, I didn't pick up when you called because I don't know how you will re-act to what is going on in my life. I've become famous for my “American Tea Party Anthem” which opposes the policies of Obama. I know you're a HUGE Obama fan and believe ALL who oppose him are evil. So, you can understand how I find myself in an awkward position. I'm totally accepting of your feelings of support for the president. Can you accept my disapproval of his policies which I believe to be wrong for America? As friends of 30 years, can we agree to disagree? God bless, Lloyd

Folks, are you finding yourselves in similar situations? How are you dealing with it?

Lloyd Marcus

1 posted on 04/26/2009 8:19:10 AM PDT by Lloyd Marcus
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To: Lloyd Marcus

You are lucky it’s only a friend. My mom had an obama sign in her yard, thinks abortion is OK and blames Pres. Bush for the trillions of dollars of government waste. We just don’t talk about politics at all to save our family relationship.


2 posted on 04/26/2009 8:23:37 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: freeangel

I am in the same situation with my brother. We usually have a great time talking about the politics of the day, but now we do not talk about it.


3 posted on 04/26/2009 8:26:31 AM PDT by waxer1 ( "The Bible is the rock on which our republic rests." -Andrew Jackson)
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To: freeangel
I feel for you,or anyone, who has a family member who thinks it is fine to kill babies.

I seem to remember that Jesus said brother would be against brother because of Him.

4 posted on 04/26/2009 8:28:44 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

Lloyd, I really like your TEA Party anthem.

That being said, I haven’t lost any long term friendships over this, but have had heated disagreements with a potential son-in-law over Obama.

We haven’t spoken since the election when he couldn’t wait to gloat over the results.

At the time, he said he couldn’t wait for his personal comp plans to thrive again, now that Obama was elected.

I’m sitting back quietly waiting for his admission that his selection was due to ‘white guilt’ and that he, like the main media, never looked into what Obama stood for.

It may never come, but I bet those “personal comp plans” have yet to “thrive.”

With the desire to prosecute the last administration, I’m afraid this straining of America is only going to get worse.

This is not a racial matter and the turning it into one is contributing to the straining.

Obama is not a uniter but a divider.


5 posted on 04/26/2009 8:30:03 AM PDT by DakotaRed (Don't you wish you had supported a conservative when you had the chance?)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

My recommendation.............don’t even talk politics with your close friends. I have a good friend of over 40 years. We have never talked politics and never will. I don’t even know where he stands on anything political. Our friendship is to important to get into a disagreement over something that will change in time. If you really value that friendship, let politics go by the wayside and talk about the weather, talk about his health, talk about the up coming State Fair. Enjoy that friendship because one of these days, one of you will be gone and the memories will last forever.


6 posted on 04/26/2009 8:31:37 AM PDT by RC2 (FREEDOM)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

Socialists in my life know to shut their mouths around me. I make sure there is a price to pay for bothering me with their religion.


7 posted on 04/26/2009 8:34:27 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Lloyd Marcus

You, sir, are a courageous human being.


8 posted on 04/26/2009 8:34:59 AM PDT by lady lawyer
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To: Lloyd Marcus
My wife an I got into it during a Thanksgiving family meal with one of her sister's husband. He was startled by our forceful arguments and views against BO. Am looking forward to the July Fourth family BBQ.

We are not going to be quiet anymore! We are not letting anti-American, anti-Military, anti-Right comments go unchallenged!

Bring it on. We have been quiet to long.

9 posted on 04/26/2009 8:41:03 AM PDT by richiep (Richie)
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To: hoosierham

The really sad part is that she is a “catholic” who raised 6 kids. And I remember her distress at finding out whe was pregnant with my youngest sister. I’ve often wanted to ask her which one of us she would have aborted, but at least, until now have held my tongue.


10 posted on 04/26/2009 8:43:15 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: Lloyd Marcus

My boss is an Obama supporter. We really only talk about work or the weather these days.


11 posted on 04/26/2009 8:44:23 AM PDT by trimom
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To: Lloyd Marcus
We just don't talk politics, or at least avoid it, but in candid, close friendships it's practically impossible not to slip sometimes, especially for liberals ... but it's an elephant in the room. Some very close friends we love very much, and it's mutual, are typical Republican Derangement Syndrome liberals. They read the LA Times, watch CNN and MSNBC, and seriously think they're informed. They are totally uncritical of their news sources and think Fox and its viewers are tools of facism.

Lloyd, the saddest part is that no matter how much we pretend the tension isn't there, it's always right at the edge. We pretend to be easy in our friendship ... but mutual contempt is never far from the surface. The saddest, hardest, worst part is that our leftist friends, like your very appropriate comparision to the Civil War days, are putting themselves in the way of being our enemies, threatening our lives and freedom, if not directly, then indirectly by siding with or reporting to oppressive government authorities their suspicions. Brother against brother, friend against friend. That, for me, is the most difficult aspect to anticipate.

I guess all we can do is wait for those friends to "come home," grieve if they choose to remain in the wrong, and pray for guidance in how we deal with new enemies who have been old friends.

12 posted on 04/26/2009 8:46:01 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: Lloyd Marcus

I’ve never bought into the whole “agree to disagree” thing.


13 posted on 04/26/2009 8:47:22 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: freeangel

My mom, a conservative all her life, was convinced by my sister to vote obama, she still thinks he’s a wonderful man
but the other day she started telling me how she had heard
on the news about some threat to the second amendment and
that,”but, isn’t that unconstitutional?”, I told her,
“Mom, I tried to warn you.”


14 posted on 04/26/2009 8:50:41 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Lloyd Marcus
No, I am not in your situation.

I may have to work with liberals/socialists, may have some as relatives, but they are DEFINITELY not my friends.

For me, friends must share the most or all of my values. I am polite to liberals/socialists, but it is only a facade. I will not be friends with someone who supports abortion on demand, government control over our businesses and lives, gun control, is anti-Constitution, and believes we “owe” more taxes to support people who birth children out of wedlock, refuse free education, etc etc.

15 posted on 04/26/2009 8:52:00 AM PDT by Tahoe3002 (Politicians = Proof Positive that Crime does Pay.)
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I stopped “backing-off to be polite and avoid confrontation” about 2 years ago. I don’t let any liberal statement made in my presence go without my comment. I’ve found that if you speak up with some conviction and force in your voice, the other side will back-off.

In addition to not having to say to yourself later that you wished you would have spoken up, there’s a self-satisifying smugness that comes over you when the other side shuts up.


16 posted on 04/26/2009 8:52:15 AM PDT by black_diamond
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To: Tahoe3002
I may have to work with liberals/socialists, may have some as relatives, but they are DEFINITELY not my friends. For me, friends must share the most or all of my values. I am polite to liberals/socialists, but it is only a facade. I will not be friends with someone who supports abortion on demand, government control over our businesses and lives, gun control, is anti-Constitution, and believes we “owe” more taxes to support people who birth children out of wedlock, refuse free education, etc etc.

I think that in times to come, more and more of us are going to have to face up to the truth of what you say. The Civil War sadly proved that just because someone is or has been a social friend or is a relative, doesn't preclude them from being enemies who must be defeated. I think you're right about the wisdom of tightening standards for "friends." More and more, I think so.

17 posted on 04/26/2009 8:56:52 AM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent.)
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To: black_diamond

I support the Constitution, as written. Therefore, I support the First Amendment guarantee of Free Speech. BUT there is no guarantee to a Free Audience.
(I strongly disagree that Flag burning is an expression of Free Speech.)

I usually warn people not to bring up the subject of politics, as I am %^%*^*&&^ mad with both the democrats and republican parties.


18 posted on 04/26/2009 8:59:29 AM PDT by Tahoe3002 (Politicians = Proof Positive that Crime does Pay.)
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I will not be friends with someone who supports abortion on demand, government control over our businesses and lives, gun control, is anti-Constitution, and believes we “owe” more taxes to support people who birth children out of wedlock, refuse free education, etc etc.

Hell yeah!! Nobody who is a liberal is capable of really being a friend anyway, IMHO. They really are psychotic. Mike Savage is right - liberalism IS a mental disorder.

19 posted on 04/26/2009 8:59:34 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (I long for the days when advertisers didn't constantly ask about the health of my genital organs.)
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To: richiep
Bring it on. We have been quiet too long.

Agreed. That's why I've altered my business website to reflect my values. Silence now is death later.

I've had complaints and kudos alike. I had one guy say that he'd do business with me because he was glad to see someone stand up for America.

20 posted on 04/26/2009 9:12:56 AM PDT by Noumenon (As long as I have a rifle, I STILL have a vote...)
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