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Toledo Blade Cites McCarthy 'And His House Committee on Un-American Activities'
NewsBusters.org ^ | 04/26/09 | Mike Bates

Posted on 04/26/2009 10:24:29 AM PDT by Mike Bates

Appearing today on the Toledo Blade's Web site is the article "Candide: Toledo Opera production offers the liveliest aspects of opera, musical theater, and operetta." Author Sally Vallongo writes:

In the 1950s, as then-Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R., Wis.) and his House Committee on Un-American Activities investigated liberal and progressive artists in search of Communist-oriented dissidents, Hellman and Bernstein collaborated on what would become one of several major works fomented by government activities: the play and film Cradle Will Rock, and Arthur Miller’s play and opera The Crucible are others.

Sometimes, readers must wonder if newspaper correspondents ever passed a class in basic civics. If journalists had, they’d know that Congress consists of two bodies, the House and the Senate. A member of one body doesn’t chair a committee from the other. No Senator – not even Joe McCarthy – could run a House committee. A clue might have been that his title was senator rather than congressman or representative, but perhaps that's expecting too much.

Moreover, McCarthy didn't devote a great deal of time to investigating, as Vallongo asserts, "liberal and progressive artists." Possibly she's confusing his inquiries with those of the House Un-American Activities Committee, which held hearings on Hollywood's comrades years before McCarthy launched his anti-Communist crusade.

The mainstream media are justifiably criticized for their reporting of what's taking place now. They don't do such a hot job of covering the past either.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: communism; joemccarthy

1 posted on 04/26/2009 10:24:30 AM PDT by Mike Bates
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To: Mike Bates

Since McCarthy was a senator, HE didn’t have a “house” committee of any kind.
and, they were right to do what they were doing anyway.

i hate dumba** commie lovers


2 posted on 04/26/2009 10:32:25 AM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: Mike Bates
Toledo Blade Cites McCarthy 'And His House Committee on Un-American Activities'

Toledo Blade must be populated with awful ignorant Urinalist (isn't that the norm?) Joseph McCarthy was a Senator it was the independent (Joe didn't create it or run it) House UnAmerican Activities Committee that went after all the Commies in Hollywood.

3 posted on 04/26/2009 10:34:37 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Mike Bates

Sally, you ignorant Commie slut.


4 posted on 04/26/2009 10:34:51 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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To: SendShaqtoIraq

McCarthy also set the communist party back about 60 years. Today, we are letting them build back up with the aid of our own government.


5 posted on 04/26/2009 10:35:28 AM PDT by RC2 (FREEDOM)
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To: Mike Bates

I’m not a fan of McCarthy or any other statist, regardless of who they are on a quest against. That witch hunt did more to promote communism than it did to prevent it.


6 posted on 04/26/2009 10:36:43 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: RC2
McCarthy also set the communist party back about 60 years.

BS. He made it hip and caused public sympathy to the communist movement to rise.
7 posted on 04/26/2009 10:37:49 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
That witch hunt did more to promote communism than it did to prevent it.

What Witch Hunt are you referring to? McCarthy was right, and the facts of history have totally vindicated him.

8 posted on 04/26/2009 10:39:37 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Ron Jeremy
McCarthy's witch hunt. McCarthy was a disgusting statist. We all agree that Nazism is wrong as well, but what if they started a witch hunt of Republicans and libertarians because they lean right?

Anyone who fears government should look at that debacle and repudiate it. "UnAmerican" activities. You really want the prevailing party at any time to define what "UnAmerican" is? Don't be surprised when the knock on your own door comes.
9 posted on 04/26/2009 10:45:01 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Mike Bates
From, www.senatormccarthy.com

"The VENONA Project files, declassified in 1995, provided indisputable evidence that nearly all of those McCarthy accused were traitors to America. Not surprisingly, the media ignored these documents completely, instead choosing to run yet another round of anti-McCarthy propaganda. As if that wasn't enough, in 2005 Hollywood released the greatest propaganda film since "Triumph of the Will", an anti-McCarthy slander picture known as "Good Night and Good Luck". Dead for fifty years, McCarthy's body has now been tarred, feathered, crucified, cremated, and his ashes shot into space by a leftist media who cannot handle the truth of their own miserable existence. The anti-McCarthy media claims the Senator wrongly implicated many. Despite their accusations, no critic has ever brought forth a single documented case of someone being wrongly accused by McCarthy. "

10 posted on 04/26/2009 10:45:57 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: mysterio
You equate NAZIism and Communism with the GOP? Fascinating. An enemy of the state is one who seeks to overturn the Constitution. Enemies of the state actually exist.

Ask some Eastern Europeans if Stalin's minions or the Sudeten Germans were threats to the state or just another political party.

11 posted on 04/26/2009 10:49:26 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: mysterio
McCarthy's witch hunt. McCarthy was a disgusting statist. We all agree that Nazism is wrong as well, but what if they started a witch hunt of Republicans and libertarians because they lean right?

No such thing happened. What did happen is that the military was full of communists and McCarthy rooted them out. He was right about over 90% of them.

Anyone who fears government should look at that debacle and repudiate it. "UnAmerican" activities. You really want the prevailing party at any time to define what "UnAmerican" is? Don't be surprised when the knock on your own door comes.

What are you talking about? What do you mean UnAmerican activities? Did McCarthy accuse people of UnAmerican activities?

12 posted on 04/26/2009 10:50:25 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: SampleMan

I find it impossible to believe you drew that conclusion after reading my post.


13 posted on 04/26/2009 10:51:55 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

Ironically, it was the CIO(A) that started the communist scare by accusing all the small independent unions of having communist party connections.

When the CIO wanted to take over a union against the will of the members, they just started a campaign against the leaders of the independent union and made an agreement with the company management to take over the union and rid them of the communist leadership. It worked really especially well with companies who had security contracts.


14 posted on 04/26/2009 10:52:23 AM PDT by Eva (union motto - Aim for mediocrity, it's only fair.)
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To: Ron Jeremy

Any government witch hunt designed to weed out a particular political ideology will eventually turn on the hunters. Communism is a complete failure. It has failed everywhere it has been tried. It will continue to fail. Statism does not prevent communism, it aids communism.


15 posted on 04/26/2009 10:59:10 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: Mike Bates
In the 1950s, as then-Sen. Joseph McCarthy (R., Wis.) and his House Committee on Un-American Activities investigated liberal and progressive artists in search of Communist-oriented dissidents, Hellman and Bernstein collaborated on what would become one of several major works fomented by government activities: the play and film Cradle Will Rock, and Arthur Miller’s play and opera The Crucible are others.

There isn't a basis for discussion when one of the potential discussers would write something this stupid.

16 posted on 04/26/2009 11:02:10 AM PDT by stevem
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To: mysterio
Any government witch hunt designed to weed out a particular political ideology will eventually turn on the hunters. Communism is a complete failure. It has failed everywhere it has been tried. It will continue to fail. Statism does not prevent communism, it aids communism.

If the state department and the military were full of radical muslim networks that were sending secrets to the Taliban you wouldn't have a problem with it?

Also, you did not answer my question about UnAmerican activities.

17 posted on 04/26/2009 11:04:30 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Ron Jeremy
If the state department and the military were full of radical muslim networks that were sending secrets to the Taliban you wouldn't have a problem with it?

Please point out where I advocated espionage. I am against statism and witch hunts.

Also, you did not answer my question about UnAmerican activities.

I didn't claim that McCarthy was on that committee, but to insinuate that the two witch hunts weren't related is less that accurate.

As with most issues, zealotry does more to damage your cause than to promote it.
18 posted on 04/26/2009 11:10:52 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
As with most issues, zealotry does more to damage your cause than to promote it.

My cause is to destroy those who would violently overthrow the American government. The communists advocated, taught and tried those concepts. Now they practice infiltration and subversion. Zealotry stopped the first. A lack of zeal has caused the second and current situation. A lack of zeal has given us Zero.

19 posted on 04/26/2009 11:26:03 AM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Lion Den Dan
Zealotry stopped the first.

Really? Because in the history books I have read, communism spread like wildfire immediately after the zealotry.

The only thing that stopped communism in any country was communism. Anti-communist witch hunts just increase sympathy for the failed political ideology.
20 posted on 04/26/2009 11:29:10 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

Well, I reread you post and I don’t think that I got anything wrong.

Were communists trying to infiltrate government and the media in order to bring down our system of government? Yes they were, and the State Department was loaded with them. McCarthy brought this to the publics attention.

Did McCarthy put anyone in prison for their beliefs? No. That communists that were outed were then shunned by society says more to the good sense of society than anything else. I’m not surprised that people who were having their children practice “duck and roll” against communist atomic attack weren’t too keen on hiring the enemy to teach or entertain those same children, nor to negotiate on their behalf in the State Department.

If someone wants to ask me if I am or every have been a conservative constitutionalist, let them.


21 posted on 04/26/2009 1:33:01 PM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: Mike Bates

McCarthy was interested in investigated Soviet spies who had infiltrated the government, period.

He was not part of HUAC.

And since the release of the Verona cables & other classified documents, we now know McCarthy was right.


22 posted on 04/26/2009 1:42:04 PM PDT by jazminerose
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To: Ron Jeremy

They are.

After 9/11, the call went out for translators who could speak Arabic & guess who answerwed?


23 posted on 04/26/2009 1:44:14 PM PDT by jazminerose
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To: mysterio
What would you think if a Senator was greatly concerned about Islamic Jihadists who were setting up cells within the United States and recruiting U.S. citizens?

If he were to report that there were 50 such self-described Islamic Jihadists in the State Department and name names, also releasing the factual evidence, would that be a good thing or a bad thing?

The underlying element is not that these are people with opposing views, but rather people who's stated purpose is to overthrow or attack the United States.

24 posted on 04/26/2009 1:54:55 PM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: SampleMan
What would you think if a Senator was greatly concerned about Islamic Jihadists who were setting up cells within the United States and recruiting U.S. citizens?

I have no problem with keeping an eye out for terror attacks. However, if the work of that senator led to parading people in front of congress who might have interacted with someone Islamic, no dice.

If he were to report that there were 50 such self-described Islamic Jihadists in the State Department and name names, also releasing the factual evidence, would that be a good thing or a bad thing?

If he's a zealot of any kind, he's as dangerous as the Islamic zealots. Zealotry is the problem, not the solution.

The underlying element is not that these are people with opposing views, but rather people who's stated purpose is to overthrow or attack the United States.

Some people feel that the Tea Party movement is advocating secession or overthrow of the United States government. Do you support Senate subpoenas so that Harry Reid can ask the leaders of the movement some questions? And then get them fired from their jobs because they believe something that the mainstream political party of the day doesn't believe? I sure don't.
25 posted on 04/26/2009 2:30:19 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio; Eva
Unlike witches there were and still are Communists. Joe McCarthy may have been a poor messenger but his message could not have been truer.

If you are saying there was not widespread Communist infiltration of the U.S. reaching to the highest levels of the federal government, I suggest you stop swallowing the propaganda of the media & academia and check the real history revealed from many sources. Among them the facts revealed at that time but spiked by media & academia, Soviet archive information made available after the Soviet Union collapsed and recently declassified US intelligence.

Find out what the real history is on the Venona project, Alger Hiss, Whittaker Chambers, the Rosenbergs, Elizabeth Bentley & Harry Dexter White.

You best start would be:
Witness (Whittaker Chambers)

Followed by:
Spies: The Rise and Fall of the KGB in America (Haynes, Klehr & Vassiliev)
Venona: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America (Haynes & Klehr)
The Haunted Wood: Soviet Espionage in America - the Stalin Era (Weinstein & Vassiliev)

26 posted on 04/26/2009 3:02:30 PM PDT by drpix
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To: drpix

I’ve argued my point thoroughly, and I don’t see how I could further clarify. Hope that you are having a good Sunday.


27 posted on 04/26/2009 3:05:24 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio

No offense intended, but, if you’re not familiar with the names I cited, you have only been exposed to the leftists’ censored history and lack the facts required for an informed opinion.


28 posted on 04/26/2009 3:19:38 PM PDT by drpix
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To: mysterio
I have no problem with keeping an eye out for terror attacks. However, if the work of that senator led to parading people in front of congress who might have interacted with someone Islamic, no dice.

So if they are just planning the attack, its over the line to name names of people who are recruiting for attacks? I suspect that you don't agree with that, so please think about how you would approach this if you were a Senator.

If he's a zealot of any kind, he's as dangerous as the Islamic zealots. Zealotry is the problem, not the solution.

Interesting take. So people dedicated to freedom are zealots if they are serious about it? Again, think about that.

Some people feel that the Tea Party movement is advocating secession or overthrow of the United States government. Do you support Senate subpoenas so that Harry Reid can ask the leaders of the movement some questions?

"Feel" isn't proof. There was absolute proof that the USSR was actively putting together fifth columns world wide and in the United States. Many of these people had already committed treason. There was a clear and purposeful threat to overthrow the Constitution. If Sen. Reid were to investigate the Tea Parties it would make him look like an ass and an idiot. Have at it.

And then get them fired from their jobs because they believe something that the mainstream political party of the day doesn't believe?

Senatorial attention didn't get people fired, public outrage did. The last I saw, Conservatives weren't hiding their political leanings. Investigating a movement that publicly discusses its goals is rather pointless.

29 posted on 04/26/2009 3:27:13 PM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: mysterio
Really? Because in the history books I have read, communism spread like wildfire immediately after the zealotry.

Communists love to write history books. Of course, when the zealotry ended, the Communists were free to function among their new found friends. Are you one of them?

30 posted on 04/26/2009 3:51:04 PM PDT by Lion Den Dan
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To: Mike Bates
"The mainstream media are justifiably criticized for their reporting of what's taking place now. They don't do such a hot job of covering the past either. "

Just like a couple of weeks ago when the MSM talked about the "hundreds-of-thousands killed" by the Chernobyl melt-down.

In the same article they talked about the "greatest disaster in American history" as a result of the "reactor melt-down" at Three Mile Island.

Ignorance is bliss...for sure.

31 posted on 04/26/2009 4:01:47 PM PDT by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: Ron Jeremy

He was absolutely right. Look around...


32 posted on 04/26/2009 4:04:29 PM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: SampleMan
So if they are just planning the attack

If they are planning an attack, then they are criminals. If they happen to have talked to someone who shares a religion or political ideology with some planning an attack, that's different.

So people dedicated to freedom are zealots if they are serious about it? Again, think about that.

Strawman.

"Feel" isn't proof. There was absolute proof that the USSR was actively putting together fifth columns world wide and in the United States. Many of these people had already committed treason. There was a clear and purposeful threat to overthrow the Constitution.

We destroyed communism in the USSR with effective foreign policy. But we also destroyed communism in the USSR with blue jeans and rock and roll. The HUAC did nothing to fight communism. And neither did McCarthy's witch hunt.

We fought WARS against communism and it did nothing to slow it down. We embargoed communist countries, and those countries are still communist. Capitalism works. Communism does not. That's how you defeat communism. Not with statism.
33 posted on 04/26/2009 4:40:20 PM PDT by mysterio
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To: SuperLuminal
Ignorance is bliss...for sure.

And there are some very happy folks in the MSM.

34 posted on 04/26/2009 8:26:35 PM PDT by Mike Bates (Irish Alzheimer's victim: I only remember the grudges.)
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To: mysterio
If they are planning an attack, then they are criminals. If they happen to have talked to someone who shares a religion or political ideology with some planning an attack, that's different.

So billions of foreign dollars brought in to create Wahibism and to fight a propaganda war against our Republican form of government doesn't concern you. I don't share your view. When the entire underlying philosophy is to crush our system, then the entire philosophy is open to examination and at the very least deserves to be put before the public. People who simply supply the money or make the excuses are still part of the movement.

It is possible for a country to protect itself without being a police state.

We destroyed communism in the USSR with effective foreign policy. But we also destroyed communism in the USSR with blue jeans and rock and roll. The HUAC did nothing to fight communism. And neither did McCarthy's witch hunt.

Not quite, but let's run with it. McCarthy cleansed the State Department of a large number of communists set on subversively defeating our foreign policy. Read up on it.

We fought WARS against communism and it did nothing to slow it down.

Wrong. It stopped its spread. The dominoes in fact were held up and didn't continue to fall. We gave ground, but those wars in Korea, Vietnam, Africa, and Central America all served to hold the line. Based on the same lack of total victory, would you say that the wars against Islam did nothing to protect Europe?

Capitalism works. Communism does not. That's how you defeat communism. Not with statism.

If what worked won out of its own merit, we wouldn't be in the fight we are in now for this country. The idea that we need not concern ourselves with subversive movements that seek to derail our institutions and destroy us from within is a bit naive.

35 posted on 04/27/2009 5:52:25 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: SampleMan
So billions of foreign dollars brought in to create Wahibism and to fight a propaganda war against our Republican form of government doesn't concern you. I don't share your view.

Another strawman. For sake of expedience, I won't be responding to strawmen after this one. However, I will clarify one last time : I have no problem with protecting our nation against outside threats. I do have a problem with ZEALOTRY. Witch hunts are zealotry.

Wrong. It stopped its spread. The dominoes in fact were held up and didn't continue to fall. We gave ground, but those wars in Korea, Vietnam, Africa, and Central America all served to hold the line.

Communism ended up spreading to southeast Asia and to central America. We didn't stop it or even slow it down. The only reason communism has failed in a lot of those places is because communism doesn't work.

Based on the same lack of total victory, would you say that the wars against Islam did nothing to protect Europe?

Which war against Islam are you referring to?
36 posted on 04/27/2009 8:05:13 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
Another strawman. For sake of expedience, I won't be responding to strawmen after this one. However, I will clarify one last time : I have no problem with protecting our nation against outside threats. I do have a problem with ZEALOTRY. Witch hunts are zealotry.

There is a bad tendency on FR for people to mislabel anything that refutes their point as a straw-man. The reference to today's Wahhabi's is a direct analogy to the International Communist movement of the 1950's. Hardly a phony argument created by myself in order that I might then defeat said argument (the actual definition of a straw-man argument).

The anticommunists were not zealots. They were anticommunists, trying to expose the very real and very serious threat posed by a secret, well orchestrated and well funded movement to spread a philosophy which was at its core mutually exclusive to freedom and sought the ultimate demise of our republic (much like Wahhabi's).

You keep voicing the only real defense that the communists had, which was that they were the victims of harsh government overreach, a tactic taught to them by their commissars. Not unlike the Wahabists. Go figure.

Communism ended up spreading to southeast Asia and to central America. We didn't stop it or even slow it down. The only reason communism has failed in a lot of those places is because communism doesn't work.

You have a highly flawed understanding of history and the events which occurred. That is too bad. People who don't know history have no basis for current action. With you totally ignoring historical facts you are in a bit of a fantasy world. Its probably enough to say that the Soviet records that came out after 1989 don't agree with you. But what would they know, right?

Which war against Islam are you referring to?

The one that slowed their advance through Asia minor, pushed them out of Spain, out of Italy, back from Vienna, out of Russia, out of Romania, out of Bulgaria, and fought them to a standstill in the Balkans, to name a few. By your logic none of that was required, as Islamic societies have produced inferior results and would have failed on their own accord.

Given your overall misunderstanding of recent history with regard to the conflicts involving communism, I must assume that your knowledge of McCarthy is totally made up of what you've been told by Hollywood and Leftists. That is too bad.

37 posted on 04/27/2009 8:53:25 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: SampleMan
So billions of foreign dollars brought in to create Wahibism and to fight a propaganda war against our Republican form of government doesn't concern you. I don't share your view.

There is a bad tendency on FR for people to mislabel anything that refutes their point as a straw-man.

You misrepresented my argument to make it easier to attack it. Call it what you like. But however you decide to refer to that strategy, I'm not interested in participating in it.

The anticommunists were not zealots.

Ok. I've presented my argument, and you've presented yours. I suppose we could continue saying the same thing over and over again, but I don't see much hope for common ground.
38 posted on 04/27/2009 9:02:24 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
You misrepresented my argument to make it easier to attack it. Call it what you like. But however you decide to refer to that strategy, I'm not interested in participating in it.

Call it what I like?? Words have meanings. Check out a dictionary if you don't believe me. As for misrepresenting your arguments, I did no such thing. I introduced a relevant and current analogy. I guess it made you uncomfortable with your argument, so you chose to dismiss it.

Facts are stubborn things. I suggest that you actually check out the history instead of the NYT version. You will be astonished to find that what you think you know is actually a myth created by the left to cover their own involvement in Soviet overtures.

39 posted on 04/27/2009 9:11:28 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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To: SampleMan
Because I am against zealots and government witch hunts, you concluded that I am not concerned with organized, well funded foreign campaigns to overthrow the American government. Actually, you didn't conclude that. You found that an easy position to attack, so you pretended that it was my position. I find that tedious, so I opted out.

Facts are stubborn things. I suggest that you actually check out the history instead of the NYT version.

I suggest you call Shirley Temple in front of a congressional committee and make sure she's not a communist. And then tell me that's not government overreaching.
40 posted on 04/27/2009 9:19:33 AM PDT by mysterio
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To: mysterio
The House investigations may not have been perfect, but they weren't the Inquisition either.

Shirley Temple wasn't called because they thought that she was a communist, nor was she called in the 1950’s. She was called in 1938 at the age of ten. Likely a move by the Congressmen to publicize the extent to which communist schemes were reaching. A dog and pony show perhaps, but that's about it.

By Soviet records they had very real success using agents and useful idiots, especially writers, to sway American society. The Hollywood 10 were charged with contempt for refusing to answer any questions after being subpoenaed. They specifically tried to put on a show, which their handlers (go figure) had instructed them to do.

The infamous “blacklist” was the result of public outrage and boycotts, not government mandate.

41 posted on 04/27/2009 10:14:24 AM PDT by SampleMan (Socialism enslaves you & kills your soul.)
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