Skip to comments.Dem Congresswoman Admits Obama Health Care Plan Will Destroy Private Health Insurance Industry
Posted on 05/01/2009 11:23:43 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
I know many of you here today are single payer advocates and so am I
and those of us who are pushing for a public health insurance dont disagree with this goal. This is not a principled fight. This is a fight about strategy for getting there and I believe we will, Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) told a group of government-run health care supporters on April 18.
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A rare moment of Rat candor.
Where is the opposition?
Is there still one?
There are, I am told, still several Republicans in Congress. They should be out there presenting alternatives.
The only way Government insurance would work for the uninsured would be to provide it at a steep discount. Once such a plan were made widely available insurance companies will find them selves in a no win situation. As customers jump lower cost taxpayer subsidized plan, the private business will be forced out of business.
Robert Gibbs may come along shortly and tell us what this fellow meant to say.
“...who are pushing for a public health insurance...”
Public health insurance is like public education. It’s a scheme by the ruling class to get the middle class to pay for the lower class.
There have been people that have presented alternative plans, but they're pilloried by the extreme right. So, the choice becomes do exactly what the Dems want, or do nothing. We're going to get stuck with the Dem's plan.
Nationalized health care is going to happen before the 2010 elections. It won't be exactly what the Dems want, but it will be enough to eventually force the private insurers out of business in just a few years. Then, we'll have a single-payer system that is identical to the British or the Canadian system. Once we have that, we're never going back. Big, sweeping social programs never get repealed - ever.
That’s what the GOP party needs to do I was fine with them just being obstructionist when they could have stopped anything but now they need to fight in the court of public opinion..
If they know this is not a good deal; why do it?
I’m a “single payer advocate” too! People should pay their own damn bills and not whine that other people should pay them.
Many companies are already planning for the day that they can abandon their health care plans and dumb their employees on a new govt plan. Why would a company pay more for coverage if there is a govt approved plan?
Alternative plans? You mean something like democrat lite? And if they did offer a democrat lite plan like you said it would never get repealed and more than likely it would get expanded.
I can see that happening for sure.
When the Health Insurance industry is destroyed, there’s only one thing left. The Government and that’s what they want. Tax the people to death, control their health, decide who lives and dies..........total control.
Let’s put’ em out of business...
“The superiority of the public health system” will save us...
“...This is not a principled fight....”
When it’s a dhimmicrat that’s fighting, there are most certainly no principles involved.
I know a major American drug retailer that has said that about themselves. Guess they want to stop eating their own dog food.
The Republicans should have presenting a plan that ensures the ongoing viability of private insurance, well before the 2008 elections. So long as there is affordable private insurance, we'll never have a single-payer system. But, as it stands right now, the GOP doesn't even have the votes to be obstructionists. Health care is the SOLE reason that the Dems promised Specter that he wouldn't be challenged in the Dem primary.
Since the GOP has virtually no power to offer amendments in the House and they've lost the filibuster in the Senate, whatever the Dems want, short of single payer is going to happen. But, as this vieo points out, the Dems are going to write legislation that eventually puts the private insurers out of business - fait accompli.
If the GOP would have had a plan that the base could've rallied around and promoted, other than the status quo, perhaps there would be some hope. But, now the GOP is labeled the "do nothing" party and the Dems get to enjoy being the party of answers and ideas.
Perhaps the public plan could be made so bare bones (e.g. catastrophic coverage only) that private plans would remain highly desirable.
I like my private health coverage. Does that count for anything?
They won't...neither will the UNIONS
ZeroCare - the RAT final solution; an alternative way to implement in the US the equivalent to the Stalin’s solution to the Ukraine
I expect to see some of the stronger health care companies focus on augmentation of government programs..
Under a government program many hospitals and medical providers will start taking huge losses./go out of business. Guess a lot of people will go to work with the government as contractors. No way the governments can hire enough to handle the claims.
- why not insurance?
They'll be as successful at insurance as they are at banking. And don't you just luv, luv, luv the department of motor vehicles?
the major difference between now and HillaryCare in ‘92 is that so many employers now are so sick and tired of the shuffle...the 40% rate increases, the months spent shopping for a more affordable plan, the lower benefits and higher premiums that come with any new plan they can afford, their employees being ticked-off at them no matter what they do...most businesses I fear have flipped sides and decided they want the Feds to take this cup from them, no matter what the cost.
Not just no but hail no.
Probably all true. Doesn't matter. Right now, Medicare is essentially under-written by private insurance companies. Medicare pays whatever the government has stipulated, which is never enough to cover the actually costs of the service (let alone any built in margin), so the health care provider makes up for the loss by charging the private insurer more for the same procedure.
Once medicare is expanded (which is essentially what the Dem plan will be), eventually the costs to the private insurer will be so prohibitive, no employer or employee will be able to afford coverage - so the system collapses just as the Democrats planned all along. The only alternative is a single-payer system. And as you point out, a the inefficiency of anything the government does will lead to less doctors, less nurses, less hospitals and less health care availability which brings us to the rationing that we see in other western countries with socialized medicine.
But, it's impossible to put the genie back in the bottle, so it will be a mess that we're stuck with probably forever.
That will surely happen - LATER. First, get all the sheep in the plan.
Don't accept the premise that the best health care system in the world is broken.
Besides what would all the Brits and Canadians do.
Agreed, but health care costs have been so artificially inflated by government mandated free services for illegal aliens, "poor people" and blood sucking lawyers that most people of average means can no longer afford even the simplest procedures. We need to get the lawyers and government out of health care.
Exactly. The DemocRATS’ idea of rationing healthcare “to keep costs down” is not healthy for Americans.
Isn’t that the point?
I like my private health coverage. Does that count for anything?
No. Polls showed that over 80% of Americans were satisfied with their health care coverage.
That’s what I thought, and I say to “hail” with that.
How is "single payer" different from "monopoly"? I thought monopolies were bad(?) Maybe not if the king is named "Obama"?
People have the idea that they can ask for whatever they want and have the gubmint pay the tab. Won't happen. Never has yet.
You are right, that is there intent and hopefully will incite people to take to the streets. This will not be good.
Medical insurance is such a joke, anything would be improvement.
I would like to read that poll. Perhaps you can cite it.
According to the US Census (2005), 46.1 million people were uninsured in the US. Of the people that were insured, just under 60% of people that have insurance have it paid for by their employers, at least partially. Another 9% pay for it individually. The balance of the insured Americans have some type of government-paid insurance to include military/VA, SChip or medicare.
The people that are driving the health care debate are the people that have zero health care, or have some type of personal or company health care which they don't find either adequate or sufficient. With hundreds of thousands of people joining the ranks of the unemployed each month (and presumably losing their health care coverage in the process), the Democrats are going to have more than enough popular support to pass comprehensive, and probably unpalatable health care reform.
Yet, uniquely here in the United States of America, we are supposed to have a FEDERAL SYSTEM. Surely, given the absolute majorities that the current administration enjoys, there must be a state that would be PROUD to lead the nation into this brave new world, right?
My personal vote would be for Vermont and make a certain ex-governor/doctor, Howard Dean, its Health Czar. Then from the neighboring states we can monitor the 'satisfaction' of the populace and debug the operation before it gets IMPOSED willy-nilly upon our entire country!
So in other words, it’s just another step down the road to serfdom.
Death of health care ping.
Shaking my head!!!
Good point - no, it’s not broken, but misguided government policies are part of the problem.
I would have strongly preferred McCain’s idea of a tax credit for purchasing health insurance - get the free market and individuals MORE involved, not less. But the Obama folks screamed that McCain was going to tax health bewnefits - which was true, but with an offsetting credit - and McCain didn’t really explain well.
I’d bet a year’s pay Obama will end up taxing private, employer provided health-care also, but without a corresponding tax credit. Herd everyone into the government plan, and then when all alternatives are gone we are all stuck.
You are so right, I know several doctors who know what is wrong, and you nailed it. They will retire before they work for a sham national health care system, That is the problem with all of these schemes, qualified doctors.
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