Posted on 05/01/2009 11:23:43 AM PDT by Free ThinkerNY
“I know many of you here today are single payer advocates and so am I … and those of us who are pushing for a public health insurance don’t disagree with this goal. This is not a principled fight. This is a fight about strategy for getting there and I believe we will,” Rep. Jan Schakowsky (D-IL) told a group of government-run health care supporters on April 18.
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Medical insurance is such a joke, anything would be improvement.
I would like to read that poll. Perhaps you can cite it.
According to the US Census (2005), 46.1 million people were uninsured in the US. Of the people that were insured, just under 60% of people that have insurance have it paid for by their employers, at least partially. Another 9% pay for it individually. The balance of the insured Americans have some type of government-paid insurance to include military/VA, SChip or medicare.
The people that are driving the health care debate are the people that have zero health care, or have some type of personal or company health care which they don't find either adequate or sufficient. With hundreds of thousands of people joining the ranks of the unemployed each month (and presumably losing their health care coverage in the process), the Democrats are going to have more than enough popular support to pass comprehensive, and probably unpalatable health care reform.
Yet, uniquely here in the United States of America, we are supposed to have a FEDERAL SYSTEM. Surely, given the absolute majorities that the current administration enjoys, there must be a state that would be PROUD to lead the nation into this brave new world, right?
My personal vote would be for Vermont and make a certain ex-governor/doctor, Howard Dean, its Health Czar. Then from the neighboring states we can monitor the 'satisfaction' of the populace and debug the operation before it gets IMPOSED willy-nilly upon our entire country!
So in other words, it’s just another step down the road to serfdom.
Death of health care ping.
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Shaking my head!!!
Good point - no, it’s not broken, but misguided government policies are part of the problem.
I would have strongly preferred McCain’s idea of a tax credit for purchasing health insurance - get the free market and individuals MORE involved, not less. But the Obama folks screamed that McCain was going to tax health bewnefits - which was true, but with an offsetting credit - and McCain didn’t really explain well.
I’d bet a year’s pay Obama will end up taxing private, employer provided health-care also, but without a corresponding tax credit. Herd everyone into the government plan, and then when all alternatives are gone we are all stuck.
You are so right, I know several doctors who know what is wrong, and you nailed it. They will retire before they work for a sham national health care system, That is the problem with all of these schemes, qualified doctors.
Look how well nationalized healthcare has worked in Canada! NOT!!!
Our taxes will be sky high to pay for all this, and they will still decide WHO gets care & WHO DOES NOT!
Obanga has a lot of plans for the government to pay for everything, but who is really paying? WE ARE, but for how long? We will look like North Korea, with us commoners starving in the streets while King Obanga has palaces all over the world (do you all remember Saddam with all his palaces while the people starved?)!!
I have heard the same thing - I hope the doctors speak out.
I have heard that hospitals and others have to charge private insurers more to make up for low Medicare and/or Medicaid reimbursement.
But Rush is right - the more things go wrong, the more power the government gets to “fix” things.
Oh well. tomorrow I will be more optimistic. Maybe. Good chatting - have a good day!
Obviously, you don't know anyone in Canada who actually LIVES with a national healthcare system & waits up to 6 months to get into a hospital!
Don’t shake your head. 0bamaCare won’t cover any associated injuries. Now if you hurt yourself while nodding or bowing ... you go to the front of the line.
If the rats pass legislation regarding health care can this be taken to he Scotus and be stopped?
Medical insurance is such a joke, anything would be improvement.
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I am close to someone who had cancer. She has medical insurance which allows her a wide range of doctors from which to choose. She experienced a wait and see attitude after developing some symptoms and had a gut feeling she had cancer. When she finally received the diagnosis and the following treatment plan, she was uncomfortable with it and switched to different hospital, different doctor and different treatment plan. It may have saved her life. Under a government run health care system, she may not have the freedom to choose like that - or keep choosing as she sees fit - freedom you don’t get in those ‘free’ health care systems ‘round the world.
It is reckless to just assume that anything is better than something. That’s kind of like saying my ex-husband was such a creep, I’ll just grab the guy at the end of the bar here - it can’t be any worse! And the grass isn’t always greener on the other side...isn’t that what Erma Bombeck used to say?
I do believe the system itself needs to be overhauled - but not like this.
Medical insurance is such a joke, anything would be improvement.
“So in other words, it’s just another step down the road to serfdom.”
Yes, and Obama’s hands will remain clean - it will be the Evil Insurance Companies who overcharge for insurance to pay their executives huge bonuses who will receive the blame.
And just to clarify, I’m not happy with health costs either - but this is not the right answer. I was talking to a 21 year old recently who does think that the old folks need to go and save the money for the young folks who have their whole lives ahead of them. He said he knew it sounded heartless and cruel but that’s the way it had to be. You could have picked my jaw up off the floor. I asked him if he understood that could mean his own parents might not get cancer treatment if they were in their early 50’s and the cancer treatment would be deemed too expensive by the government, ensuring his children would not see their grandparents and he said he understood that because - much the same as some in the Obama circle - people have to accept that they are going to die anyway and if your time comes early than your time comes early. I asked him if he had ever seen the movie Logan’s Run and of course I just got a blank look.
I would rather have medical bills and see my grandchildren than have free healthcare and not have the opportunity to see my grandchildren, but I guess that’s just me.
I would like to read that poll. Perhaps you can cite it.
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I thought this had been discussed on FR but couldn’t find it. And Google is worthless if you are trying to find anything that isn’t for The Cause. But here are a couple; I don’t know if you would consider them satisfactory or not.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/102934/Majority-Americans-Satisfied-Their-Own-Healthcare.aspx (Nov 2007)
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/19/health.care.poll/index.html (Mar 2009)
Also, I’m throwing in this blog for your perusal:
http://www.gohealthinsurance.com/blog/coverage/entry/20090320
The other thing that hurt was that open enrollment for insurance was just before the election, and many here saw their plans skyrocket cost-wise. Obama was promising to allow people to keep their health care plans but reduce the costs significantly.
The health care professionals in my family will be getting out once Obamacare starts rolling. My own personal doctors save one think they are out as well.
I can’t wait to be treated by someone who is overworked and underpaid. Will they have the same attitude as the customer care reps you get on the phone?
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