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Mormon Church investigates baptism of Obama's mother
politico.com ^ | May 5, 2009 | Ben Smith

Posted on 05/05/2009 5:48:09 PM PDT by Free ThinkerNY

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To: pointsal

The policy is you do not do temple ordinances for non-relatives. Your focus is on your direct line.Regarding other relatives, if you go off on a collateral for someone who died, you need written permission from 1- a living spouse, or. 2-a child, or next, a parent or finally a sibling, in that order.

If it is your direct line, such as your own parent and the individual has been dead for a year, yes.

Regarding someone that is not a direct ancestor there are also very stringent specifics about someone having been married 90 years or more ago, having been dead 110 years or more...Are there people who are dishonest about this? Once in awhile yes. Can it be undone? Yes if in fact it was not done within guidelines. Can you tell if someone in your family has had their temple work done? Yes. Contact a Family History Center, someone will help you there.


41 posted on 05/05/2009 8:53:26 PM PDT by newhouse
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To: Cicero

At this time the only one who can do temple work for a Holocaust victim is a direct descendant such as a son or daughter who is a member of the LDS church.


42 posted on 05/05/2009 8:55:53 PM PDT by newhouse
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To: swmobuffalo; TChris; Drango

Indeed, but many of the Jews who have complained about the Mormon baptisms are the Orthodox sort, who demand the right to install an eruv (ritual property border, usually consisting of an overhead wire) enclosing large areas including the homes and places of worship of non-Jews, including many non-Jews. According to Jewish ritual law, everything inside the eruv is then the common property of each Jew who lives there, allowing them to perform certain activities on the Sabbath (such as pushing a baby stroller to the synagogue) that they are prohibited from doing outside their home (technical prohibition is crossing a property line while doing the restricted activity). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eruv#Eruv_chatzeirot

There have been plenty of objections from neighbors when a new eruv is proposed, especially from neighbors who are adherents of non-Jewish religions and who don’t think their own homes and churches should be declared by the Jews to be inside THEIR property. But objectors are routinely told by government and the Jews wanting to install the eruv that it’s not reasonable for them to object, since it won’t actually interfere with the activities of non-Jews in any way. There are hundreds of these things all over the US and in many other countries, with many of them encompassing large chunks of major cities. Look at these maps to get an idea — the Manhattan eruv covers more than half of Manhattan, including all of Central Park. http://denvereruv.org/map.html http://manhattaneruv.googlepages.com/home

If some Mormon is getting dunked inside a temple and imagining that this constitutes baptism of a specific deceased person in the eyes of God, this obviously doesn’t interfere in any way with the life (or afterlife) of the deceased person or any of his/her surviving relatives. So why should it be any more objectionable than an eruv?


43 posted on 05/06/2009 5:30:47 AM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Ron Jeremy

How the heck do they baptize a dead person when they don’t have access to the corpse? I don’t get it.


44 posted on 05/06/2009 5:34:00 AM PDT by gitmo (History books will read that Lincoln freed the slaves and Obama enslaved the free.)
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To: gitmo

Because it is a made up religion so they were able to just make up baptizing people by doing a little ceremony for them.


45 posted on 05/06/2009 7:29:38 AM PDT by Ron Jeremy (sonic)
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To: Free ThinkerNY; hoosiermama; Malacoda; Fred Nerks; null and void; pissant; george76; PhilDragoo; ...

Thanks, hoosiermama.

Ping to the article and interesting comments; don’t miss #9 and #25.


46 posted on 05/06/2009 10:06:57 AM PDT by LucyT
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To: LucyT; Malacoda

I wonder if they’ve had the stones to baptize any dead muslims into their cult?
I suspect if they had, and it was made public, the reaction would be...interesting. in the extreme.

25 posted on Tuesday, May 05, 2009 9:31:45 PM by Malacoda (CO(NH2)2 on OBAMA.)

I would say well there are Egyptians who are LDS and do baptized their decease family members.


47 posted on 05/06/2009 2:56:24 PM PDT by restornu (In The US Republic rights are given to men from their Creator, tyrants deny the power there of!)
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To: LucyT

Bump Dat...


48 posted on 05/06/2009 4:03:06 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Drango

I imagine the problem is not the "baptism after death", which their spokesman acknowleged, but rather:

"The offering of baptism to our deceased ancestors is a sacred practice to us and it is counter to Church policy for a Church member to submit names for baptism for persons to whom they are not related,"

49 posted on 05/06/2009 4:32:43 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: philman_36
Father: UNKNOWN
That would be really embarrassing on a real birth certificate.

Not for The Messiah, it would give him something in common with so very many of his core constituents. He has has so little else in common with them, other than some African ancestry.

50 posted on 05/06/2009 4:37:22 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: El Gato

Yawnnnnnnnn

This is like saying-
Soviet Union is against press censorship.
Acorn is against voter fraud.
Bill Clinton is against marriage infidelity.

At what point do the denials of the Mormon church get laughed at for their rank duplicity?


51 posted on 05/06/2009 4:39:16 PM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: restornu

I would say well there are Egyptians who are LDS and do baptized their decease family members.
______________________________________

Really ???

You know that for a fact ???

Source ???


52 posted on 05/07/2009 8:34:48 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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