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Posted on 05/10/2009 6:22:03 AM PDT by presidio9
President Obama has named to his faith-based advisory council a self-professed Christian who holds that the New Testament's teaching that homosexual behavior is unnatural and wrong--which is found in St. Paul's letter to the Romans--is not true."
The appointee, Harry Knox, has also said that Obama's decision to invite the Rev. Rick Warren to say a prayer at the Inauguration "tainted" the ceremony and that Pope Benedict XVI is a "discredited leader."
Harry Knox, a professed gay Christian who is director of the religion and faith program at the Human Rights Campaign, a homosexual rights group, was named to President Obama's Advisory Council on Faith Based and Neighborhood Partnerships on Monday. The advisory council gives federal grants to faith-based organizations.
The appointment came after Knox criticized Obama prior to the Inauguration for selecting Warren, a California megachurch pastor and best-selling author, to deliver the invocation. Writing in The Huffington Post blog, Knox said to Obama, We dont feel hopeful anticipation of a new day in our country, and we dont feel optimism. We feel betrayed.
Knox said in the December article that Warrens invocation would make the Jan. 20 Inauguration a tainted event because Warren supported the ballot initiative in California to amend the state constitution to define marriage as between a man and a woman.
On the PBS News Hour in December, Knox said that Warren has in fact leveraged homophobia to get ahead in his career. This is the worst possible choice the president could have made. This is a divisive choice. We said to the president-elect today in very strong language, the strongest we can think of and be respectful of the office, you have really slapped us. And we want you to think about that and think very hard what your actions will be going forward because this very symbolic, early decision has sent the exact wrong message.
Knox could not be reached for comment Tuesday.
Knox is one of 25 members of the advisory board of the White House Office Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships. Obama announced the formation of the office in early February, a continuation of a similar office started by President George W. Bush to issue federal grants to faith-based, non-profit charitable organizations.
Other members include Bishop Charles Blake of the Church of God in Christ in Chicago; the Rev. Peg Chemberlin, president-elect of the National Council of Churches USA; Dr. Frank Page, president emeritus of the Southern Baptist Convention; the Rev. Jim Wallis, president of the liberal Christian group Sojourners; and the Rev. Joel C. Hunter of Northland Church in Longwood, Fla.
Knox has been a long-time gay activist focusing on the faith community. He previously worked for the New York-based Freedom to Marry group, for Georgia Equality and Equality Florida. He has won awards from liberal religious organizations.
In a debate with the Rev. Gino Jennings recorded Nov. 28, 2004 at the First Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ in Philadelphia, the two men sparred over various biblical verses references homosexual behavior.
This included the Book of Romans, in which St. Paul wrote, Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creatorwho is forever praised. Amen. Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
After reading the scripture, Jennings asked, Do you believe that? That if a man lie with a man or a woman with a woman it is against nature?
I do not believe it, answered Knox, who at the time was the program director for the group Freedom to Marry.
Jennings responded, So this is a lie?
Knox affirmed, That is not true.
Paul did not have any idea of the kind of love that I feel for a partner when I am partnered. He didnt know what that was about, Knox said. The straight man, the heterosexual man who got the privilege of writing the book, the educated, rich, heterosexual man, Paul, who got to write the book, didnt think it was natural because for him it must not have been.
Jennings later responded that Paul was not the sole author of the writings. So you are saying Paul was just closed-minded. I totally disagree because the book says this, the book tells us that all scripture, all of the scripture, not some of it, but all scripture are given by the inspiration of God, said Jennings.
Before starting at the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) in 2005, Knox also worked as development director of Equality Florida and was the executive director of Georgia Equality. While in Georgia, his groups successfully lobbied corporations such as Coca-Cola, Bell South, Delta, and Cingular to extend same-sex benefits to employees.
At the HRC, Knox established a weekly preaching resource that provides scriptural commentary to pastors interested in homosexual perspectives on the Bible. He also helped create a network of 22 progressive state clergy coalitions around the country, according to the HRC Web site.
Knox has the potential to be a polarizing figure, said the Rev. Louis Sheldon, chairman of the conservative Traditional Values Coalition.
Everything he says will be front-page news, Sheldon told CNSNews.com. He will be a political liability to the president. All the good that the faith-based office does will get buried by a loose cannon that fires over the bow. But thats what Obama wants.
Last month, Knox was quoted in a gay newspaper criticizing the pope and the Catholic group Knights of Columbus, mainly because the Knights supported the traditional marriage amendment to the California constitution.
Knox told the San Francisco-based gay newspaper the Bay Area Reporter, The Knights of Columbus do a great deal of good in the name of Jesus Christ, but in this particular case, they were foot soldiers of a discredited army of oppression. In the newspaper, he included among the discredited leaders Catholic bishops and Pope Benedict XVI, as A pope who literally today said condoms don't help in control of AIDS."
In a brief interview Monday with CNSNews.com, Knox stood by his comments on the pope.
The pope needs to start telling the truth about condom use, Knox told CNSNews.com. We are eager to help him do that. Until he is willing to do that and able, hes doing a great deal more harm than good--not just in Africa but around the world. It is endangering peoples lives.
The popes comments were mischaracterized by Knox, said Catholic League President Bill Donohue.
When Pope Benedict XVI recently said that condoms are not the answer to HIV/AIDS, he was simply voicing common sense: the promiscuous distribution of condoms has coincided with a precipitous increase in HIV/AIDS, Donohue said in a statement Tuesday. But to gay activists like Knox, the pope is a liar. Indeed, he instructed the pope to start telling the truth about condom use, holding the Holy Father accountable for endangering peoples lives. He never explained how calls for abstinence could possibly jeopardize anyones life.
In 2000, Knox won the Cordle Award for Promoting Gods Diversity, and the Lancaster Theological Seminarys 2005 Robert V. Moss Medal for Excellence in Ministry.
So why does Knox put up with that “fundamentalist” Obama?
Paul would have been sorry to read how wrong he was. Would have then taken the shuttle back from Damascus.
So, like most liberals, Knox believes he is smarter than St Paul on the subject of homosexuality.
Liberal arrogance will be their undoing.
The Plan is right on schedule.
Meh.. Academia is nothing but a liberal circle jerk. Make up all kinds of awards and honors to give one another. These pukes disgust me.
Wonder what else in the NT is not true?
This whole concept of the Feds doling out money to faith groups was a bad idea when the Stupid Party hatched it. Under the Evil Party, it's a disaster.
Shame on any conservatives who cheered George W. Bush’s “faith based” government funded program.
"gay christian", the ultimate oxymoron!
Where to start? I’ll say this...he wants the pope to tell the truth about condom use? OK, here it is: In emphasizing condom use, the Left is stating that they are willing to allow a certain percentage of those who follow their advice to die.
Condoms fail. The Libs know this. But their politics is more important than a the lives of those who take their advice, use a condom that fails and contract a disease that will ultimately kill them. So, the Left, when it advocates condom use, has a built in, acceptable mortality rate. Condoms do not stop the transmission of AIDS. It may slow the rate of transmission down a bit, amongst those who actually use condoms, but it can not stop it. Abstinence, following the word of the Lord, stops it. But that doesn’t score the Left any political points. Dead AIDS patients do.
Sorry, but this is PURE, 100%, B.S. Knox is NOT a Christian. You cannot pick and choose what you want out of the Bible. You cannot 2,000 years later decide that what was written then is not what was meant. John, Luke and writers of the Gospels did not write these things out of mid air. They were spoken to them by the Lord. They were taught to them by the Lord. Thus, the Word cannot be changed by man. Knox is going to find that out the hard way. When Judgment Day comes, he will find out his lies to himself to justify his life style just don't go over with God.
I was wondering the same thing.
Like one of my old pastors would say, "Either it's all true, or it's all lies."
So, who to believe? The homosexual with an agenda, or Paul under guidance from the Holy Spirit...hmm...decisions, decisions...
please Knox and the Like just Ignore scripture and Pretend they are correct!...Lunacy! that is why only 1 out of 2 homosexuals live to age 65 and have a 1860 male expectancy! it is unnatural!
Soddom and gommorah? fairy tales?? or and Obamination!
This act is not primarly designed to advance the Homosexuality agenda.
I wonder how Knox feels about all the scriptures condemning fornication and adultery? Does Knox have any idea how people feel when they are cheating on their spouses? Moses was so close-minded.
Ooh! I know that one! Because 0bama's a stealth jihadist, not a Christian!
When you pick and choose...everything is suspect...including the resurrection. You can't let that camel's nose under the tent flap.
So, like most liberals, Knox believes he is smarter than
St Paul God on the subject of homosexuality.
Worse than that, he thinks he's smarter than God.
Wow, the Obamaloon is remarkably consistent in demonstrating that he’s an absolute idiot in virtually every subject under the sun.
Affirmative action. Yeahhhhhhhhh!
Harvard, we know your standards are way down there, but we really had no idea that they were THAT low.
Why isn’t Knox picketing the White House then? Bambi campaigned saying he didn’t believe in gay marriage...
Jihadists are also opposed to homosexuality. The liberal theologians are just plain stupid.
Why doesn’t Bambi just come out and say that he is an anti-Christian Muzzie and be done with it?
I beat you by two seconds!
I suspect there is a good chance that Harry will happily let us know - once his real masters have no more need for even lukewarm, buffet style, social gospel Christianity - that the New Testament is ALL lies.
The Nazis “officially tolerated” Christianity, but they tried to play down the books by the man they referred to as “the Jew Paul.”
I think GOD would have been sorry to hear how wrong He was/is. I suppose this created being knows more than the Creator Himself.
Someone can be both a Christian and struggle with SSA (same-sex attraction). Someone can be both a Christian and a sinner.
Whether Harry Knox is a Christian or not is debatable. He doesn’t seem to honor Christ or His word, so it appears that he’s not a Christian.
The Bible is very clear on homosexuality. It is steadfastly against homosexuality with no equivocation whatsoever. That much is abundantly clear to any reasonable person.
Like all liberals he thinks he is smarter than God and everyone else.
It's always about mr winkie for these twinkies.
Well, if Evolutionist’s rewrite the Bible, why not the homosexuals too. If you don’t like the New Testament, then read the Old Testament. God hating homosexuality is in it as well. Whoever this clown is one thing’s for certain, a Christian he is not.
During his youth, Mr. Knox found a special decoder ring in a box of Cracker Jacks that makes him the ultimate authority of what historical documents always mean. When he is done "decoding" the Bible he will then move on to the U.S. Constitution. :-)
Not all christians are christians..
Just one more liberal trying to interpret the Bible in order to make his lifestyle, and others, acceptable. Its the PC version with no accountability to God or his Son. The danger in this is the movement to make their interpretation the acceptable one, as all others will be considered hate speech.
Great more hetrosexual bashing from the man who dislikes America.
The Nazis did more than that. They took over the Protestant churches (except for a persecuted remnant that did not bow to the anti-Christ). The Nazis tried to make the churches become little more than outlets for Nazi propaganda. A lot of real Christians who resisted this were sent to prison or concentration camps. For decades the authority of the Bible had been downgraded, so a lot of church leaders were well-prepared to let the Nazi pagans destroy what was left of Christianity.
Someday this guy is going to be out in his backyard getting drunk on cheap wine when he spies a hammer, and the rest is history.
Happens a lot in this class of human being.
The appointee, Harry Knox, a self-professed Christian holds that the New Testament's teaching that homosexual behavior is unnatural and wrong--which is found in St. Paul's letter to the Romans--is not true." He has also said that Obama's decision to invite the Rev. Rick Warren to say a prayer at the Inauguration "tainted" the ceremony.
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Knox said “... the New Testament’s teaching that homosexual behavior is unnatural and wrong—which is found in St. Paul’s letter to the Romans—is not true.”
Well Mr. Knox, how about if came directly from God’s mouth.
Read it and weep Mr. Knox.
1 Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying...13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.
22 You shall therefore keep all My statutes and all My judgments, and perform them, that the land where I am bringing you to dwell may not vomit you out. 23 And you shall not walk in the statutes of the nation which I am casting out before you; for they commit all these things, and therefore I abhor them.
15 But it shall come to pass, if you do not obey the voice of the LORD your God, to observe carefully all His commandments and His statutes which I command you today, that all these curses will come upon you and overtake you:
27 The LORD will strike you with the boils of Egypt, with tumors, with the scab, and with the itch, from which you cannot be healed.
58 If you do not carefully observe all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, THE LORD YOUR GOD,
59 then the LORD will bring upon you and your descendants extraordinary plaguesgreat and prolonged plaguesand serious and prolonged sicknesses. 60 Moreover He will bring back on you all the diseases of Egypt, of which you were afraid, and they shall cling to you. 61 Also every sickness and every plague, which is not written in this Book of the Law, will the LORD bring upon you until you are destroyed.
Now Mr. Knox consider this before you use the argument that Jesus negated the Old Testament Law remember what Jesus said
17 Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
And yes Jesus did fulfil the law in the sense that he executed the law: but he also admonished us in the next verses that the law would not be destroyed until all is fufilled, that being his crucifiction. Since Jesus was the Son of God he was the only person capable of fulfilling the law. Jesus then goes on to say
19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
So you can see Mr. Knox, that Jesus did fulfill all that was required of the law so that we could be saved by his grace, but in no way did he say that the abominations that you and the rest of your kind commit continually, even though you know they are sin, are ok to be continuted.
I hope you take your Bible back to where you bought it, and ask for a new one, because it is obvious that there are chapters missing out of the one you read.
Yassir Arafat notwithstanding.
Of course this is based on the current cultural definition of “Christian,” which is basically anyone who isn’t a Muslim or Jew, and thinks that Jesus was a swell guy.
Day after day the Obama admin is chipping away at the bulwark of democracy----all the solid enduring institutions that make us the nation we are, are being targeted for destruction.
THE NOTRE DAME OUTING IS RAHM'S PLAN TO CREATE CHAOS AMONG RELIGIONISTS............
The calculating, conniving Rahm trots out Obama anyplace where he can create chaos. Obedient Oba mechanically marches out on a round of public events, pressers, travels........robotically reading his speeches from a teleprompter. Rahm's motto is " A Rolling Obama Keeps His Numbers Up."
O's not running a gov't. He's running a reelection pastorate for worshipful Dems.
Messiah of the Church of Whatever Works For Me.