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Posted on 05/12/2009 8:41:29 AM PDT by reaganaut1
Forty-five House Democrats in the partys moderate-to-conservative wing have protested the secretive process by which party leaders in their chamber are developing legislation to remake the health care system.
The lawmakers, members of the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition, said they were increasingly troubled by their exclusion from the bill-writing process.
They expressed their concerns in a letter delivered Monday to three House committee chairmen writing the bill, which House leaders hope to pass this summer.
Representative Mike Ross, an Arkansas Democrat who is chairman of the coalitions health task force, said: We dont need a select group of members of Congress or staff members writing this legislation. We dont want a briefing on the bill after its written. We want to help write it.
Mr. Ross and eight other lawmakers who signed the letter are on the committees responsible for writing the legislation.
Centrist Democrats said they fully endorsed President Obamas goal of guaranteeing access to health insurance and health care for all. But, they said, they are concerned about the cost of the legislation, which could easily top $1 trillion over 10 years. And they want to be sure that the role of any new government-sponsored insurance program, expected to be a centerpiece of the bill, is carefully delineated.
Many Blue Dogs come from usually Republican districts or swing districts and see their stance on health care as vital to their political survival. By contrast, the committee chairmen writing the House bill have safe Democratic seats.
The Blue Dogs said the policy-making process in the House compared unfavorably with the approach in the Senate, where two committees have held open forums and the chairman of the Finance Committee, a Democrat, is working with the panels senior Republican.
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“Centrist” Democrats. Blah blah blah - and barf.
We need to ALL write these Blue Dog Dems and tell them we don’t WANT/NEED Nationalized healthcare....and why....
The blue dogs are the only thing between us and utter tyranny.
When it comes right down to it, they are all still just a bunch of “Nancy Boys.”
Blue Dog Leadership Team
Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Administration
Rep. Baron Hill (IN-09), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Policy
Rep. Charlie Melancon (LA-03), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Communications
Rep. Heath Shuler (NC-11), Blue Dog Whip
Blue Dog Members
Altmire, Jason (PA-04)
Arcuri, Mike (NY-24)
Baca, Joe (CA-43)
Barrow, John (GA-12)
Berry, Marion (AR-01)
Bishop, Sanford (GA-02)
Boren, Dan (OK-02)
Boswell, Leonard (IA-03)
Boyd, Allen (FL-02)
Bright, Bobby (AL-02)
Cardoza, Dennis (CA-18)
Carney, Christopher (PA-10)
Chandler, Ben (KY-06)
Childers, Travis (MS-01)
Cooper, Jim (TN-05)
Costa, Jim (CA-20)
Cuellar, Henry (TX-28)
Davis, Lincoln (TN-04)
Donnelly, Joe (IN-02)
Ellsworth, Brad (IN-08)
Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08)
Gordon, Bart (TN-06)
Griffith, Parker (AL-05)
Harman, Jane (CA-36)
Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie (SD)
Hill, Baron (IN-09)
Holden, Tim (PA-17)
Kratovil, Jr., Frank (MD-01)
McIntyre, Mike (NC-07)
Marshall, Jim (GA-03)
Matheson, Jim (UT-02)
Melancon, Charlie (LA-03)
Michaud, Mike (ME-02)
Minnick, Walt (ID-01)
Mitchell, Harry (AZ-05)
Moore, Dennis (KS-03)
Murphy, Patrick (PA-08)
Nye, Glenn (VA-02)
Peterson, Collin (MN-07)
Pomeroy, Earl (ND)
Ross, Mike (AR-04)
Salazar, John (CO-03)
Sanchez, Loretta (CA-47)
Schiff, Adam (CA-29)
Scott, David (GA-13)
Shuler, Heath (NC-11)
Space, Zack (OH-18)
Tanner, John (TN-08)
Taylor, Gene (MS-04)
Thompson, Mike (CA-01)
Wilson, Charles (OH-06)
Thank goodness some of the Democrats in Congress who may be less radical and less socialist are waking up on these statist/socialist/big government plans. The take over of health care is not what the USA needs now or ever to improve health care. What we have in the private and insured sector is OK and will be better with a few tweaks-tweaks that are made in consultation with all involved, not just Pelosi and Co. Those that are uninsured or have trouble paying for their health care can be served without turning the USA in a form of Cuban communism.
If you think that this will stop them from voting lock step in favor of it FUGEDABUOTIT!
I bet Dan Boren (D-OK) is on board this time after all the flack he caught by voting with Pelosi on spending our tax dollars.
They may have had it but more importantly I believe they want reelection and when you vote against your constituents who are running 2-1 or more against something, you had better be taking stand against Pelosi/Reid/ZERO on something major.
With SanFran Nan’s current problems, some of the Blue Dogs might be more likely to bolt her edicts.
NOW is the time to be flooding the aboves’ office. PUT THE PRESSURE ON !!!
These guys should be the ones that we apply the heat to.
They owe their elections to the foul mood of the electorate toward the GOP, not because their districts have gone liberal.
They know they are between a rock and a hard place. Either they march in lockstep with Nancy and risk the backlash of their constituents or vote for the interests of their constituents and risk punishment from the party. Either way they are ripe to be replaced in 2010.
Eric, do you have some information on damaging legislation they have stopped? It seems that thus far, if Obama wants something, he gets it, centrists or not.
It’s all too brutally simple.
Obama has had a free ride up to now. But the dem congresscritters are taking a closer look at the electoral consequences of the recently passed legislation and what is now on the table and are no longer in lock-step mode. They are now individidually calculating what it does to their personal re-election chances and speaking and voting accordingly. Obama has not had to do any serious horse-trading and negotiating until now and if he thinks he can intimidate DEM congressmen and senators as easily as he can intimidate RINO’s, journos and CEO’s he’s in for a painful lesson.
"I was against this, before I was for it."
My friend, I just pray that you are correct.
So far many have come out against Cap and Trade and now they are making these objections on health care.
They are hearing it from back home. If they weren’t they would not be standing up.
They are the Achilles Heel of the Democrat majority and should be the focus of attack against these onerous programs.
Bob Pear is faking it!
We are totally screwed if we think that these filthy scum rats are going to side with the American people over the communists Obama and Pelosi.
Gabriele Giffords is a blue dog???? hahahaha what a joke she votes with Pelosi 99% of the time.
Enterprise, quite a few issues have been moved to the legislative back burner recently to avoid a showdown.
Why do you think Obama is starting to get heat from the far-out fringe recently?
Yeah....I saw Loretta Sanchez’s name on the list, too...and thought....HUH? But.....it’s worth it to apply pressure!!!
Pork can buy you only so much.
Look at Arlen Sphincter. His vote on the Porkulus Budget was purchased with the promise of cancer research funds.
Now, not only is his political career about to end, switching sides has only exposed him to gleeful ritual humiliation at the hands of his “friends”.
Arcuri, Mike (NY-24)
I find that hard to believe.
“The lawmakers, members of the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition, said they were increasingly troubled by their exclusion from the bill-writing process. “
You blue dogs have been insulted by the liberal leadership. First they made you blue dogs because you were afraid to run as Republicans and next they will bring in liberals and accuse you of being too conservative.
Best to change parties now and help rather than sit back and totally screw the pooch.
If the Dem “centrists” are really digging in their heels, then God bless them. As yet though, we have had some dreadful economic bills passed which will adversely affect us for a long time. I am hoping that the “centrists” will impede, stop or reverse some of the things that have been passed.
Look up HUA in the dictionary and Specter’s picture is next to it.
That’s certainly a thought. Blue Dog dems going Republican are guaranteed to get far better treatment than RINOs going dem.
Whereas, if they stay democrat, they will be subjected to ruthless winnowing out. Dems don’t indulge their dissidents, they execute them.
Calling Ira Magaziner...calling Ira Magaziner.....Obama calling Ira Magaziner...
Silly questions, actually. This is going to be government through party diktat. Dontcha just love that "change"?
Plenty of Red State reps. in that group. I’m sure Zero will allow many of them to cross over for cover. Of course one or two short of stopping “Rationed Care”
If you don’t know your history, then you are forced to repeat it. Nazi Germany: the Jews had homes confiscated, art work, jewelry, religious practices outlawed, land taken, the ability to earn a living. “Let’s see what happens,” they said, “we are lower than the government, there is nothing we can do.”
Present day America: we have a similar scererio occurring. We are lower than the government. Strike swiftly and with vengence to curtail what is about to happen. We too have lost jobs, billions of dollars, land, homes, praying, gun ownership. Shall we also say, “Let’s see what happens next.” No, and hell no. Potus has even told the auto makers how much money they can spend on advertising..
Government has forgotten that they work for us, we provide their living quarters, food, entertainment, cars, gas, telephones, traveling expenses, heating & cooling, chefs, housekeepers, secretaries. Perks and luxuries beyond what most of us will ever achieve. Time is now to remind them that they are civil servants, not dictators, who work to protect (not protest us) preserve us, and to carry out our wishes.
Socialized health care is a culling of selective citizens, done by the stroke of a pen by the health czar, much in the same wayas Stalin penned the names of the next 6,000 to be killed, and the next 6,000 to be examined by the health czar, found wanting, or elderly or a smoker eve, and the death penalty carried out 20 minutes after the trial (or sent home from a hospital 20 minutes after arriving and be told No Soup For You)
Can we constitutionally stop socialized medicine from being foisted upon us by insisting on a vote by the people, after first reading the conditions and aspects of this new health care? Why can’t we? If the bureaucrats work for us how can they dictate life or death or suffering and pain be forced upon us, while at the very same time they retain the super-duper health program.
If we cannot stop socialized medicine as a first recourse, then we can at least mandate that our civil servants receive the exact same health care they vote for others, also be foisted upon all Americans, and not exempt the pigs in Animal Farm. There will be no grandfather clauses, as Bush & Cheney did not vote for this program, so they will retain their wonderful health care. If you congressmen and senators vote for this program, you also get it. And each and every one who has proposed this progam also get it. Thereby honoring the words, “we are all created equal.”
We all want our country back. Don’t let history repeat itself, make history.
You are so right about flooding their offices — maybe they will listen this time. What bugs me is that you can no longer send a form email to a Congressman/woman if they are not yours.
I end up calling the local offices or sending emails to their Chief of Staff. Dan Boren, Oklahoma’s lone Democrat, is non-responsive for the most part. He has been living in a bubble and doesn’t even take office visits when he is home for the most part unless you are a big donor. He is not my Congressman but I will be glad to travel to the eastern part of the State to help defeat him.
There were only 10 Dems who stood against the ZERO stimulus package if I remember right and Boren of OK was not one of them.
The lawmakers, members of the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition, said they were increasingly troubled by their exclusion from the bill-writing process...
I hope you are correct. I cannot believe that Dan Boren still considers himself a Blue Dog after voting lockstep with ZERO on spending our tax dollars when the calls to his office were overwhelmingly against the bills.
Oklahomans need to find a good candidate to run against Boren this time and get behind that candidate. He is voting against Oklahoma interests and with ZERO and the interests of Brad Henry and the OK DemocRATs who support ZERO.
Thanks for the ping!
His wife owns a pharmacy in Arkansas. He worked for a drug company before he was elected.
If those two from Arkansas didn’t run as conservative Democrats they wouldn’t be re-elected. How they govern is a totally different matter.
All I’ve heard from Bambi is a lot of talk. The big issues, cap/trade, socialized med, etc., haven’t come to a vote yet.
I do remember Waxman saying a couple of weeks ago that he had the votes to pass cap and trade. So, hopefully, the centrists are blocking it.
Not a chance.
If you think that this will stop them from voting lock step in favor of it FUGEDABUOTIT!
I guess that's the easy way out. Just forget about it and hope it doesn't happen. That's why we are in the predicament we are now. We either fight them every step of the way or we can live as slaves to a dictator in the WH. Fight or go ahead and accept it or move out of the US. That's your 3 options.
Eventually, some of these will have to become Republicans, just as many of the 1980s Dems converted.
Blue Dog = Girondin or Menshevik.
I thought they were simply neutered and chained so tight be Pelosi that they are gasping for air.
Yes and poor little Kerenski and the Mensheviks was completely outmaneuvered by Lenin. Our GOP is making the same mistake, banking it all on elections in 2010 that A) may never take place or B) will be fixed so the dims win them.