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45 Centrist Democrats Protest Secrecy of Health Care Talks
New York Times ^ | May 11, 2009 | Robert Pear

Posted on 05/12/2009 8:41:29 AM PDT by reaganaut1

Forty-five House Democrats in the party’s moderate-to-conservative wing have protested the secretive process by which party leaders in their chamber are developing legislation to remake the health care system.

The lawmakers, members of the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition, said they were “increasingly troubled” by their exclusion from the bill-writing process.

They expressed their concerns in a letter delivered Monday to three House committee chairmen writing the bill, which House leaders hope to pass this summer.

Representative Mike Ross, an Arkansas Democrat who is chairman of the coalition’s health task force, said: “We don’t need a select group of members of Congress or staff members writing this legislation. We don’t want a briefing on the bill after it’s written. We want to help write it.”

Mr. Ross and eight other lawmakers who signed the letter are on the committees responsible for writing the legislation.

Centrist Democrats said they fully endorsed President Obama’s goal of guaranteeing access to health insurance and health care for all. But, they said, they are concerned about the cost of the legislation, which could easily top $1 trillion over 10 years. And they want to be sure that the role of any new government-sponsored insurance program, expected to be a centerpiece of the bill, is carefully delineated.

Many Blue Dogs come from usually Republican districts or swing districts and see their stance on health care as vital to their political survival. By contrast, the committee chairmen writing the House bill have safe Democratic seats.

The Blue Dogs said the policy-making process in the House compared unfavorably with the approach in the Senate, where two committees have held open forums and the chairman of the Finance Committee, a Democrat, is working with the panel’s senior Republican.

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If there were really 45 "centrists", Obama's "stimulus" and his budget outline would not have passed. Stil, they may be America's only shot at stopping socialized medicine.
1 posted on 05/12/2009 8:41:29 AM PDT by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

“Centrist” Democrats. Blah blah blah - and barf.


2 posted on 05/12/2009 8:44:25 AM PDT by Enterprise (The Porkulus brought us economic swine flu.)
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To: reaganaut1

We need to ALL write these Blue Dog Dems and tell them we don’t WANT/NEED Nationalized healthcare....and why....


3 posted on 05/12/2009 8:44:35 AM PDT by goodnesswins (WE have a REPUBLIC.....IF we can KEEP IT!!!)
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To: reaganaut1

The blue dogs are the only thing between us and utter tyranny.


4 posted on 05/12/2009 8:45:10 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Enterprise

When it comes right down to it, they are all still just a bunch of “Nancy Boys.”


5 posted on 05/12/2009 8:45:39 AM PDT by dfwgator (1996 2006 2008 - Good Things Come in Threes)
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To: reaganaut1

Blue Dog Leadership Team

Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (SD), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Administration
Rep. Baron Hill (IN-09), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Policy
Rep. Charlie Melancon (LA-03), Blue Dog Co-Chair for Communications
Rep. Heath Shuler (NC-11), Blue Dog Whip

Blue Dog Members

Altmire, Jason (PA-04)
Arcuri, Mike (NY-24)
Baca, Joe (CA-43)
Barrow, John (GA-12)
Berry, Marion (AR-01)
Bishop, Sanford (GA-02)
Boren, Dan (OK-02)
Boswell, Leonard (IA-03)
Boyd, Allen (FL-02)
Bright, Bobby (AL-02)
Cardoza, Dennis (CA-18)
Carney, Christopher (PA-10)
Chandler, Ben (KY-06)
Childers, Travis (MS-01)
Cooper, Jim (TN-05)
Costa, Jim (CA-20)
Cuellar, Henry (TX-28)
Davis, Lincoln (TN-04)
Donnelly, Joe (IN-02)
Ellsworth, Brad (IN-08)
Giffords, Gabrielle (AZ-08)
Gordon, Bart (TN-06)
Griffith, Parker (AL-05)
Harman, Jane (CA-36)
Herseth Sandlin, Stephanie (SD)
Hill, Baron (IN-09)
Holden, Tim (PA-17)
Kratovil, Jr., Frank (MD-01)
McIntyre, Mike (NC-07)
Marshall, Jim (GA-03)
Matheson, Jim (UT-02)
Melancon, Charlie (LA-03)
Michaud, Mike (ME-02)
Minnick, Walt (ID-01)
Mitchell, Harry (AZ-05)
Moore, Dennis (KS-03)
Murphy, Patrick (PA-08)
Nye, Glenn (VA-02)
Peterson, Collin (MN-07)
Pomeroy, Earl (ND)
Ross, Mike (AR-04)
Salazar, John (CO-03)
Sanchez, Loretta (CA-47)
Schiff, Adam (CA-29)
Scott, David (GA-13)
Shuler, Heath (NC-11)
Space, Zack (OH-18)
Tanner, John (TN-08)
Taylor, Gene (MS-04)
Thompson, Mike (CA-01)
Wilson, Charles (OH-06)


6 posted on 05/12/2009 8:46:46 AM PDT by goodnesswins (WE have a REPUBLIC.....IF we can KEEP IT!!!)
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To: reaganaut1

Thank goodness some of the Democrats in Congress who may be less radical and less socialist are waking up on these statist/socialist/big government plans. The take over of health care is not what the USA needs now or ever to improve health care. What we have in the private and insured sector is OK and will be better with a few tweaks-tweaks that are made in consultation with all involved, not just Pelosi and Co. Those that are uninsured or have trouble paying for their health care can be served without turning the USA in a form of Cuban communism.


7 posted on 05/12/2009 8:48:30 AM PDT by RicocheT
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To: reaganaut1
Still, they may be America's only shot at stopping socialized medicine.

If you think that this will stop them from voting lock step in favor of it FUGEDABUOTIT!

8 posted on 05/12/2009 8:49:31 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: reaganaut1

I bet Dan Boren (D-OK) is on board this time after all the flack he caught by voting with Pelosi on spending our tax dollars.

They may have had it but more importantly I believe they want reelection and when you vote against your constituents who are running 2-1 or more against something, you had better be taking stand against Pelosi/Reid/ZERO on something major.


9 posted on 05/12/2009 8:50:54 AM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER! Mary Fallin for OK Governor in 2010! Proud Member of Party of NO socialism!)
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To: Enterprise
Don't write them off too quickly. The Blue Dogs are the only thing preventing a complete Obamanation of the US.
10 posted on 05/12/2009 8:56:01 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: goodnesswins
If Parker Griffin of Alabama isn't in on this bill he will not be reelected. A retired cancer physician he ran on his ability to help craft health care legislation. Couple this with potential job loses due to MDA cuts, he could be toast.
11 posted on 05/12/2009 8:57:08 AM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Barak Obama: Pontificator in Chief and Poster Child for the Peter Principle)
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To: PhiKapMom

With SanFran Nan’s current problems, some of the Blue Dogs might be more likely to bolt her edicts.

NOW is the time to be flooding the aboves’ office. PUT THE PRESSURE ON !!!


12 posted on 05/12/2009 8:57:16 AM PDT by Reagan69 (No Representation without Taxation !)
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To: reaganaut1

These guys should be the ones that we apply the heat to.

They owe their elections to the foul mood of the electorate toward the GOP, not because their districts have gone liberal.

They know they are between a rock and a hard place. Either they march in lockstep with Nancy and risk the backlash of their constituents or vote for the interests of their constituents and risk punishment from the party. Either way they are ripe to be replaced in 2010.


13 posted on 05/12/2009 9:01:44 AM PDT by Yankee
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Eric, do you have some information on damaging legislation they have stopped? It seems that thus far, if Obama wants something, he gets it, centrists or not.


14 posted on 05/12/2009 9:02:55 AM PDT by Enterprise (The Porkulus brought us economic swine flu.)
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To: reaganaut1; Enterprise; goodnesswins; DManA; dfwgator; RicocheT; Don Corleone; PhiKapMom; ...

It’s all too brutally simple.

Obama has had a free ride up to now. But the dem congresscritters are taking a closer look at the electoral consequences of the recently passed legislation and what is now on the table and are no longer in lock-step mode. They are now individidually calculating what it does to their personal re-election chances and speaking and voting accordingly. Obama has not had to do any serious horse-trading and negotiating until now and if he thinks he can intimidate DEM congressmen and senators as easily as he can intimidate RINO’s, journos and CEO’s he’s in for a painful lesson.


15 posted on 05/12/2009 9:03:54 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: reaganaut1
Political Coverage....that's all.

"I was against this, before I was for it."

16 posted on 05/12/2009 9:04:49 AM PDT by wbill
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To: sinanju

My friend, I just pray that you are correct.


17 posted on 05/12/2009 9:05:28 AM PDT by Enterprise (The Porkulus brought us economic swine flu.)
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To: Enterprise

So far many have come out against Cap and Trade and now they are making these objections on health care.

They are hearing it from back home. If they weren’t they would not be standing up.

They are the Achilles Heel of the Democrat majority and should be the focus of attack against these onerous programs.


18 posted on 05/12/2009 9:06:26 AM PDT by Yankee
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To: Enterprise

Bob Pear is faking it!


19 posted on 05/12/2009 9:07:06 AM PDT by browniexyz
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To: goodnesswins

We are totally screwed if we think that these filthy scum rats are going to side with the American people over the communists Obama and Pelosi.

Gabriele Giffords is a blue dog???? hahahaha what a joke she votes with Pelosi 99% of the time.


20 posted on 05/12/2009 9:07:37 AM PDT by sasafras (TIME FOR A RESURGENCE - FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - NO MORE COMPLAINING - LET'S GET BUSY!)
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To: Enterprise

Enterprise, quite a few issues have been moved to the legislative back burner recently to avoid a showdown.

Why do you think Obama is starting to get heat from the far-out fringe recently?


21 posted on 05/12/2009 9:08:22 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: sasafras

Yeah....I saw Loretta Sanchez’s name on the list, too...and thought....HUH? But.....it’s worth it to apply pressure!!!


22 posted on 05/12/2009 9:09:15 AM PDT by goodnesswins (WE have a REPUBLIC.....IF we can KEEP IT!!!)
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To: Enterprise

Pork can buy you only so much.

Look at Arlen Sphincter. His vote on the Porkulus Budget was purchased with the promise of cancer research funds.

Now, not only is his political career about to end, switching sides has only exposed him to gleeful ritual humiliation at the hands of his “friends”.


23 posted on 05/12/2009 9:10:32 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: goodnesswins
Blue Dog Members

Arcuri, Mike (NY-24)

I find that hard to believe.

24 posted on 05/12/2009 9:10:48 AM PDT by b4its2late (Ignorance allows liberalism to prosper.)
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To: sinanju

“The lawmakers, members of the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition, said they were “increasingly troubled” by their exclusion from the bill-writing process. “

You blue dogs have been insulted by the liberal leadership. First they made you blue dogs because you were afraid to run as Republicans and next they will bring in liberals and accuse you of being too conservative.

Best to change parties now and help rather than sit back and totally screw the pooch.


25 posted on 05/12/2009 9:11:30 AM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Climate change alarmists are Warm-Mongers. Now that's funny right there. I don't care who you are.)
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To: sinanju

If the Dem “centrists” are really digging in their heels, then God bless them. As yet though, we have had some dreadful economic bills passed which will adversely affect us for a long time. I am hoping that the “centrists” will impede, stop or reverse some of the things that have been passed.


26 posted on 05/12/2009 9:12:31 AM PDT by Enterprise (The Porkulus brought us economic swine flu.)
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To: sinanju

Look up HUA in the dictionary and Specter’s picture is next to it.


27 posted on 05/12/2009 9:14:38 AM PDT by Enterprise (The Porkulus brought us economic swine flu.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz

That’s certainly a thought. Blue Dog dems going Republican are guaranteed to get far better treatment than RINOs going dem.

Whereas, if they stay democrat, they will be subjected to ruthless winnowing out. Dems don’t indulge their dissidents, they execute them.


28 posted on 05/12/2009 9:15:56 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: reaganaut1

Calling Ira Magaziner...calling Ira Magaziner.....Obama calling Ira Magaziner...


29 posted on 05/12/2009 9:18:00 AM PDT by crymeariver (Good news...in a way)
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To: reaganaut1
What is it with Dems and secret health care committees? Isn't part of the point of Congress open debate on public matters? And given the enormous stakes, shouldn't "every voice be heard" as the usual Dem pieties have it when the Republicans are in charge?

Silly questions, actually. This is going to be government through party diktat. Dontcha just love that "change"?

30 posted on 05/12/2009 9:21:59 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Plenty of Red State reps. in that group. I’m sure Zero will allow many of them to cross over for cover. Of course one or two short of stopping “Rationed Care”


31 posted on 05/12/2009 9:44:05 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: reaganaut1

If you don’t know your history, then you are forced to repeat it. Nazi Germany: the Jews had homes confiscated, art work, jewelry, religious practices outlawed, land taken, the ability to earn a living. “Let’s see what happens,” they said, “we are lower than the government, there is nothing we can do.”

Present day America: we have a similar scererio occurring. We are lower than the government. Strike swiftly and with vengence to curtail what is about to happen. We too have lost jobs, billions of dollars, land, homes, praying, gun ownership. Shall we also say, “Let’s see what happens next.” No, and hell no. Potus has even told the auto makers how much money they can spend on advertising..

Government has forgotten that they work for us, we provide their living quarters, food, entertainment, cars, gas, telephones, traveling expenses, heating & cooling, chefs, housekeepers, secretaries. Perks and luxuries beyond what most of us will ever achieve. Time is now to remind them that they are civil servants, not dictators, who work to protect (not protest us) preserve us, and to carry out our wishes.

Socialized health care is a culling of selective citizens, done by the stroke of a pen by the health czar, much in the same wayas Stalin penned the names of the next 6,000 to be killed, and the next 6,000 to be examined by the health czar, found wanting, or elderly or a smoker eve, and the death penalty carried out 20 minutes after the trial (or sent home from a hospital 20 minutes after arriving and be told No Soup For You)

Can we constitutionally stop socialized medicine from being foisted upon us by insisting on a vote by the people, after first reading the conditions and aspects of this new health care? Why can’t we? If the bureaucrats work for us how can they dictate life or death or suffering and pain be forced upon us, while at the very same time they retain the super-duper health program.

If we cannot stop socialized medicine as a first recourse, then we can at least mandate that our civil servants receive the exact same health care they vote for others, also be foisted upon all Americans, and not exempt the pigs in Animal Farm. There will be no grandfather clauses, as Bush & Cheney did not vote for this program, so they will retain their wonderful health care. If you congressmen and senators vote for this program, you also get it. And each and every one who has proposed this progam also get it. Thereby honoring the words, “we are all created equal.”

We all want our country back. Don’t let history repeat itself, make history.


32 posted on 05/12/2009 9:51:23 AM PDT by constant
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To: reaganaut1
2010 elections are soon. The blue dogs in close districts should be worried. A few corporations and wealthy Obama voters may be realizing their elected Chavez/Mugabe.
33 posted on 05/12/2009 9:55:24 AM PDT by Frantzie
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To: Reagan69

You are so right about flooding their offices — maybe they will listen this time. What bugs me is that you can no longer send a form email to a Congressman/woman if they are not yours.

I end up calling the local offices or sending emails to their Chief of Staff. Dan Boren, Oklahoma’s lone Democrat, is non-responsive for the most part. He has been living in a bubble and doesn’t even take office visits when he is home for the most part unless you are a big donor. He is not my Congressman but I will be glad to travel to the eastern part of the State to help defeat him.


34 posted on 05/12/2009 9:55:56 AM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER! Mary Fallin for OK Governor in 2010! Proud Member of Party of NO socialism!)
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To: Enterprise

There were only 10 Dems who stood against the ZERO stimulus package if I remember right and Boren of OK was not one of them.


35 posted on 05/12/2009 9:57:17 AM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER! Mary Fallin for OK Governor in 2010! Proud Member of Party of NO socialism!)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
Forty-five House Democrats in the party’s moderate-to-conservative wing have protested the secretive process by which party leaders in their chamber are developing legislation to remake the health care system.

The lawmakers, members of the fiscally conservative Blue Dog Coalition, said they were “increasingly troubled” by their exclusion from the bill-writing process...

36 posted on 05/12/2009 9:58:36 AM PDT by nutmeg (DemocRATs: The party of tax cheats and other assorted crooks)
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To: sinanju; Osage Orange; OKSooner

I hope you are correct. I cannot believe that Dan Boren still considers himself a Blue Dog after voting lockstep with ZERO on spending our tax dollars when the calls to his office were overwhelmingly against the bills.

Oklahomans need to find a good candidate to run against Boren this time and get behind that candidate. He is voting against Oklahoma interests and with ZERO and the interests of Brad Henry and the OK DemocRATs who support ZERO.


37 posted on 05/12/2009 10:00:54 AM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER! Mary Fallin for OK Governor in 2010! Proud Member of Party of NO socialism!)
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To: goodnesswins; Politicalmom
Toll free capital switchboard numbers below.

800-828-0498

877-762-8762
38 posted on 05/12/2009 10:04:35 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it!)
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To: nutmeg

Thanks for the ping!


39 posted on 05/12/2009 10:09:25 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: reaganaut1
Representative Mike Ross, an Arkansas Democrat who is chairman of the coalition’s health task force, said: “We don’t need a select group of members of Congress or staff members writing this legislation. We don’t want a briefing on the bill after it’s written. We want to help write it.”

His wife owns a pharmacy in Arkansas. He worked for a drug company before he was elected.

40 posted on 05/12/2009 10:21:42 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: goodnesswins

If those two from Arkansas didn’t run as conservative Democrats they wouldn’t be re-elected. How they govern is a totally different matter.


41 posted on 05/12/2009 10:25:06 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Enterprise

All I’ve heard from Bambi is a lot of talk. The big issues, cap/trade, socialized med, etc., haven’t come to a vote yet.


42 posted on 05/12/2009 10:52:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I do remember Waxman saying a couple of weeks ago that he had the votes to pass cap and trade. So, hopefully, the centrists are blocking it.


43 posted on 05/12/2009 10:58:53 AM PDT by Enterprise (The Porkulus brought us economic swine flu.)
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To: Enterprise

Not a chance.


44 posted on 05/12/2009 11:02:52 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Don Corleone
Still, they may be America's only shot at stopping socialized medicine.

If you think that this will stop them from voting lock step in favor of it FUGEDABUOTIT!
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I guess that's the easy way out. Just forget about it and hope it doesn't happen. That's why we are in the predicament we are now. We either fight them every step of the way or we can live as slaves to a dictator in the WH. Fight or go ahead and accept it or move out of the US. That's your 3 options.

45 posted on 05/12/2009 11:45:13 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( Idiots elected a Marxist ideologue with narcissistic personality disorder & America is dying.)
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To: nutmeg

Eventually, some of these will have to become Republicans, just as many of the 1980s Dems converted.


46 posted on 05/12/2009 12:59:44 PM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: nutmeg

thanks, bfl


47 posted on 05/12/2009 2:35:55 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: nutmeg; Cacique; Paleo Conservative; rmlew

Blue Dog = Girondin or Menshevik.


48 posted on 05/12/2009 4:12:32 PM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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To: Clemenza

I thought they were simply neutered and chained so tight be Pelosi that they are gasping for air.


49 posted on 05/12/2009 4:56:30 PM PDT by rmlew ( The SAVE and GIVE acts are institutioning Corvee. Where's the outtrage!)
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To: Clemenza

Yes and poor little Kerenski and the Mensheviks was completely outmaneuvered by Lenin. Our GOP is making the same mistake, banking it all on elections in 2010 that A) may never take place or B) will be fixed so the dims win them.


50 posted on 05/12/2009 5:14:28 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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