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The Final Crisis - Then the transformation is complete - Social Security and Medicare

Posted on 05/13/2009 8:35:29 AM PDT by Scythian

You can already see the news stories "ginning" up about this, this is the keystone of their plan and the only way to fix this will be a total revamp of health care, which is coming soon and being worked on feverishly in the Whitehouse. Unlike the Swine-Flu and the "Flyover" incident however, this story will dominate the news for months to even a year with "health care crisis" disaster after disaster predictions heaped on each other as high as the Washington Monument.

Social Security and Medicare are fading even faster under the weight of the recession, heading for insolvency years sooner than previously expected, the government warned Tuesday. Social Security will start paying out more in benefits than it collects in taxes in 2016, a year sooner than projected last year, and the giant trust fund will be depleted by 2037, four years sooner, trustees reported.

I heard audio on Glenn Beck this morning where one a guy, cannot recall the name, was saying much of the medical resources are being wasted, then he went on to define it as being wasted on old people, keeping them alive and great cost and so on. And that comparitive cost benefit analysis for services was needed (who lives and who dies). Upon further collapse of the US economy which is surely coming due the very wise moves by the Chinese government moving out of the US currency which backs thier currency. The Chinese are buying gold mines alike at a furious pace and have being doing so for 8 months, there will be so much US currency on the market it will be worthless, but not before China as eliminated most of their holdings for hard assets.

Watch for this story now to absolutely dominate the media, if the Government controls healthcare, they control you period, no need for gun control, the constituion or anything else for that matter. The Medical Establishment become the ultimate magistrates, determining a persons worth to the state, who lives and who dies, summarily executing those that don't benefit the state by nothing more than their inaction (withholding medical treatment).

This is the kingpin, the holy grail socialism here in America and more so than any other country because we've let the food companies hook us on garbage that leads to disease. Everywhere you look there are medical buildings of every sort.

Do I sound crazy, perhaps, but watch the media and see. I know I'm not by any means the first on this, but the hype is starting this week and it will dominate the media like nothing before until we accept whatever they have instore for us (because we will have believed the lie).

While we are focused on Health Care China will have completed their transformation and the US economy will be in the dumpster. Remember the "redifing nations" comment, they know what's coming.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: healthcare

1 posted on 05/13/2009 8:35:29 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Ok, Glenn is great at scaring. And, I’m sure he’s right. But wouldn’t it be more helpful to offer ideas on WHAT WE CAN DO - NOW - TO LESSEN OR STOP THIS WRECK FROM HAPPENING.

I am getting physically sick listening to this and to watching my country being disassembled. So helpless. What can we do?


2 posted on 05/13/2009 8:42:49 AM PDT by Reagan69 (No Representation without Taxation !)
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To: Scythian

There is a great deal of truth in what you say. The “Social Security Trust Fund is empty” stories have been everywhere. As there is no trust fund for either SS or Medicare, the purpose of the stories is evident—create an excuse for the coming behavior of the Hussein dictatorship. But when Big Brother begins to withold care for the old, the infirm, the chronically ill and perhaps even for known conservatives, those guns whose utility you discount might well provide the ultimate answer. And I don’t mean for use on oneself!


3 posted on 05/13/2009 8:44:31 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax (AGENDA OF THE LEFT EXPOSED)
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To: Reagan69; All

Call your Senators and tell them to STAY OUT of your healthcare....you don’t want them interfering with your CHOICES....this ONE train wreck will crash the US...


4 posted on 05/13/2009 8:47:46 AM PDT by goodnesswins (WE have a REPUBLIC.....IF we can KEEP IT!!!)
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To: Reagan69

Well, to be honest, and I hate to say it, because I hate the republican party but we desperately need to elect conservatives by the bucket load during 2010 and all of our local elections, but we need a movement, unless the fear of what is happening takes hold, and without the MSM telling the brain dead what is going on I’m not sure about that. To be honest, I would love to see Sarah Palin or some such figure rent an hours time on TV and give a “State of the Union” address as a simple American, Newt Gingrich frankly would make a great deliverer of such a message that was back dropped by his knowledge of our Nations history.

In summary, we need a political figure, to step out, risk it all and address the nation like has never been done before, otherwise, I don’t think we can turn the ship, there needs to be a rallying point, and I think it will take a person such as Sarah or Newt to deliver such a message. Sure, Sarah is weak compared to Newt in this are, but her simply folksy words resonate with people as she clearly comes from outside the beltway, those are my thoughts, and I wish such a leader would come forth, career be damned, all for America.


5 posted on 05/13/2009 8:48:39 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: goodnesswins

I agree


6 posted on 05/13/2009 8:52:36 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
...the holy grail socialism here in America and more so than any other country because we've let the food companies hook us on garbage that leads to disease.

Do you sound crazy? Yes!

You are correct that Medicare is going broke and the fix for it and SS will be to deny medical services to anyone old enough to collect either. The $ saved by offing old people will not be used to pay for medical services for those not insured. Younger people will be denied services too, to save $ (actually to cover the bureaucratic costs to administer this gov't monstrosity and to pad the pockets of the "elite.")

Remember that the same Socialists, Fascists who are pushing for a gov't takeover of big chunks of the economy are the people who think that we need a reduction in population. There will ALWAYS be $ available to cover the "health care" costs for forced abortions.

7 posted on 05/13/2009 8:53:54 AM PDT by penowa
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To: Scythian; Alamo-Girl; Quix; marbren
Watch for this story now to absolutely dominate the media, if the Government controls healthcare, they control you period, no need for gun control, the constituion or anything else for that matter. The Medical Establishment become the ultimate magistrates, determining a persons worth to the state, who lives and who dies, summarily executing those that don't benefit the state by nothing more than their inaction (withholding medical treatment).

This is the kingpin, the holy grail socialism here in America and more so than any other country because we've let the food companies hook us on garbage that leads to disease. Everywhere you look there are medical buildings of every sort.

Worth noting.

8 posted on 05/13/2009 8:58:10 AM PDT by markomalley (Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley
They are beating the drums today on the radio news in Pittsburgh, (104.7FM), how both SS and Mediscare will be bankrupt in 7 years.

All we need now is a Reichstag fire to go along with it, and the Obama Youth can start marching in every city down to the city square to demand gov't action, to save us "and the children".

9 posted on 05/13/2009 9:09:34 AM PDT by North Coast Conservative (Are you a sheep? Or, are you a sheep dog?)
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To: North Coast Conservative

Yep, and this story isn’t going to fade like the others ... This is the end game, and once it’s inplace, there is no possible way to undo it, the country is forever socialist, they will press extremely hard on this, it’s an all or nothing end run around the constitution, like I said, Health Care is the ultimate control.

However, if you understand how to stay healthy and herbs and natural remedies you will be much, much better, this is why they are moving to regulate vitamins and natural medicines as well.


10 posted on 05/13/2009 9:12:36 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: markomalley

Thanks for the ping!


11 posted on 05/13/2009 9:18:38 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Scythian

I can’t see it happening. Not with a national press who will receive bailout money.

Dick Cheney has been speaking up lately and look how they have demonized him. Rush is constantly being taken to task.

These are two of the most well spoken conservatives in the national spotlight. If they can’t get through to people I fear no one will.


12 posted on 05/13/2009 9:21:07 AM PDT by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: PJammers

Well, the only thing there is Rush and Cheney are the anti-christs of the left, they wouldn’t tune into them no matter what, it has to be somebody else.


13 posted on 05/13/2009 9:23:32 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

While we are focused on Health Care China will have completed their transformation and the US economy will be in the dumpster. Remember the “redifing nations” comment, they know what’s coming,and obama blows money on bail out programs so much for the ss system.


14 posted on 05/13/2009 9:24:33 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Scythian

I guess what I am trying to say is that national newspapers are about to receive TARP money from the democratically controlled government.

Most of them are out right liberal rags such as the NYT (which owns the Boston Globe among others). I firmly believe they spew their filth in order to get unlimited wealth from congress. Our network news is lazy and reports whatever is printed.

It doesn’t matter who speaks out on the right. They will be vilified in the press. It will only get worse once the the “press” is nationalized by our dear leader.

1. Radical take over of election process
2. Usurpation of the constitution
3. Nationalization of financial institutions
4. Nationalization of industry
5. Nationalization national media
6. Nationalization of health care
7. Nationalization of energy
8. Hyperinflation/Price controls leading to rationing
9. National emergency declared, federal republic “suspended”
10. FEMA camps are open for business

Welcome to Serfdom!


15 posted on 05/13/2009 10:01:43 AM PDT by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: PJammers
From Glenn Beck today:

Because of the cost benefit analysis. At the Senate finance committee hearings on healthcare reform, Professor Stuart Altman of Brandeis University said that resources get wasted in the American healthcare system. Wasted. Well, what does that mean?

He means that it gets wasted specifically in one segment of the population. Old people, if you think I'm hyping it, his tonight to his words himself. Here's the audio record.

Voice: Remember, our population is aging and at the very, very elderly, the costs go down so that percentage should be falling and it's not. Second, the cost of care is growing by so much so at the same percentage it's worth a lot more. So let's go back to the issue of comparative effectiveness which we're supporting. That's where that can have a big impact. It's not the only place. But that's where the waste is. That's where people are using technologies that really either don't work at all or keep people alive for very limited and very high costs. Hospice is one option, but we do need to take account of the?? you know, I hate to say it, the cost benefit of some of the things we do and either we can do it directly or we can do it by bundling payments and let the delivery system deal with it. So it's a combination of the delivery system dealing with it or?? and/or you providing more information for people that make the right decisions, both for themselves and for their care.

Glenn: Do you understand what he just said?

What he said?? this should terrify people. He's saying you can either let the delivery system do it, in other words, the healthcare system can just say, yeah, you're not going to get that. You're too old. You're a drain on society. I'm sorry, no kidney dialysis for people over 70. What is it in the UK? 60. Some the things they cut off once you outlived your usefulness.
16 posted on 05/13/2009 10:29:35 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
YouTube Video Health Policy Professor Discusses The 'Cost-Benefit' Of Elderly Recieving Federal Healthcare

Older people just need to die ...
17 posted on 05/13/2009 10:32:57 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

I’m not disagreeing with you on this. What I am saying is there is a much bigger picture we need to be looking at.

If we are blind and only touch an elephant’s trunk we will assume it is a snake. Universal health care is is only a small part of a larger plan to overthrow our federal republic.


18 posted on 05/13/2009 10:44:25 AM PDT by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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