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Board advocates dumping UND nickname, logo (Univ. of North Dakota no longer the Fighting Sioux)
Associated Press ^ | May 14, 2009 | Dale Wetzel

Posted on 05/14/2009 4:51:09 PM PDT by Zakeet

North Dakota's Board of Higher Education has agreed to drop the University of North Dakota's Fighting Sioux nickname and Indian head logo, a move intended to resolve a decades-long campus dispute about whether the name demeans American Indians.

The name and logo, which is a profile of an American Indian man with feathers and streaks of paint on his face, could still be saved if North Dakota's Standing Rock and Spirit Lake Sioux tribes agree by Oct. 1 to give the university permission to use them for at least 30 years.

However, tribal officials say that possibility is remote. Unless the name and logo receive tribal endorsement, they will be retired for good on Aug. 1, 2010.

The board, which met Thursday at Dickinson State University, voted 8-0 to retire the logo and nickname. UND President Robert Kelley began making plans for replacements.

"This has been a long-standing tradition at UND, and I think the board action now instructs the university to develop new traditions," he said.

Board member Grant Shaft, who is chairman of a committee that has been studying the issue, said the move may help UND's likely application to join the Summit League, an 11-member NCAA Division I conference that is seeking a 12th school.

Tom Douple, the Summit League's commissioner, has said the University of North Dakota won't be considered for membership as long as the nickname and logo dispute festered.

The education board's action does not suggest any blueprint for UND to follow in choosing a new nickname and logo.

Richie Smith, the president of the Board of Higher Education, said the issue would be left to the campus, and jokingly suggested "Moose" as a new nickname. Kelley said a transition team will be appointed to oversee the process.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: North Dakota
KEYWORDS: mascot; northdakota; politicallycorrect
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Note: Just trying to help come up with a more suitable and politically correct nickname.

1 posted on 05/14/2009 4:51:09 PM PDT by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet
When is the NCAA going to change the name of Indianapolis and Indiana?
2 posted on 05/14/2009 4:56:47 PM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: Zakeet

A..........zzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzz......slow....ZZZZzzz...day......zzzzzz..in......North.......ZZZzzzzZZZzzz.....Dakota


3 posted on 05/14/2009 4:57:11 PM PDT by muleskinner ("You know the Germans always make good stuff')
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To: Zakeet
If White people were demanding a name change, the Indians would say that they were being racist and trying to erase any trace of the Indians in America.

And here, the Indians themselves are doing it.

4 posted on 05/14/2009 4:59:22 PM PDT by blam
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To: Zakeet
I think the Blacks must have given up trying to get the word Dixie outlawed for bring a racist word.

IDIOTS!

5 posted on 05/14/2009 5:02:55 PM PDT by blam
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To: Zakeet

How about the “Politically Correct Fightin’ Pussies?”

Barney Fwank could be their mascot.


6 posted on 05/14/2009 5:02:58 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: Zakeet

Well the Sioux have a monopoly on that name, but they could go with something more generically Indian.


7 posted on 05/14/2009 5:05:45 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Beat a better path, and the world will build a mousetrap at your door.)
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To: blam

>> I think the Blacks must have given up trying to get the word Dixie outlawed for bring a racist word.

If Heaven ain’t a lot like [redacted],
I don’t wanna go!
If Heaven aint a lot like [redacted],
I’d just as soon stay home.

If they don’t have Grand Ol’ Opry,
Like they do in Tennesee —
They can send me to Hell (or New York City)
It’d be about the same to me.

—With apologies to Hank Williams, Jr.


8 posted on 05/14/2009 5:05:56 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: Nervous Tick

How about “the fighting aborigines”? Or “the Custers”?


9 posted on 05/14/2009 5:15:07 PM PDT by mathurine
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To: Zakeet

Some folks would prefer to forget that the American Indian ever existed.


10 posted on 05/14/2009 5:16:26 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Zakeet

Can’t they just change it to the “Fighting Sue”, as in Johnny Cash’s “Boy Named Sue”?


11 posted on 05/14/2009 5:16:54 PM PDT by MarkeyD (OBAMA. Chains we can believe in!)
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To: mathurine

>> “the Custers”?

ROFL! I think we have a WINNER!


12 posted on 05/14/2009 5:17:15 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: blam

The Indians are quietly waiting for a bribe.


13 posted on 05/14/2009 5:17:32 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Zakeet
So much for the alumni who matter:

Ralph Engelsted

Engelstad embroiled himself in the fight over the Fighting Sioux logo when he built a $100 million arena on the University of North Dakota campus for the Fighting Sioux hockey program. Midway in its construction, Engelstad threatened to withdraw funding if the long standing nickname were to be changed.[3] The logo was placed in thousands of instances in the arena, making the prospect of removal a costly measure. Later, Engelstad placed the stadium under private (rather than University) management and stipulated that the Fighting Sioux motif be kept indefinitely. An Engelstad family trust continues to own the arena and rents it to the University.[4]

14 posted on 05/14/2009 5:20:21 PM PDT by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Zakeet
So sad...yet another example of our upside down world.
I feel for UND fans....here are some now banned images
of Chief Illiniwek, deemed to be "demeaning"
to American Indians....liberals have made my
Alma Mater and my State unrecognizable, and are
well on their way to doing the same to my Country.
I, for one, have had enough!



15 posted on 05/14/2009 5:24:28 PM PDT by MamaLucci (It's Mourning In America........)
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To: muawiyah

>> The Indians are quietly waiting for a bribe.

“Welcome to the Fightin’ Sioux Casino! (Developed in partnership with the UND and the State of North Dakota.)”


16 posted on 05/14/2009 5:31:05 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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To: Zakeet
Actually, the tribe has no jurisdiction over the name "Sioux," which is actually a the word used to describe them by neighboring unrelated tribes. Their own name for themselves is "Dakota."

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=Sioux

Hmmm....does this mean that N. and S. Dakota will have to change or license their state names with the tribe?

17 posted on 05/14/2009 5:33:46 PM PDT by hellbender
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To: MamaLucci
Here's my old school's mascot. Now they're the Marquette Pussies or something...

Photobucket


18 posted on 05/14/2009 5:36:56 PM PDT by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: Paladin2

Iowa is an Indian word too. Illinois means land of the Illini Indian tribe. Utah is named after the Ute Indians. Perhaps there are others?

I think Mississippi means “father of waters” in some Indian language?

North and South Dakota are named after the Dakota Indians.

Sioux City Iowa and Sioux Falls, South Dakota need to change their names.

Joe Biden’s Delaware was named after the Delaware Indians.

It all depends how far we want to take this concept.


19 posted on 05/14/2009 5:44:49 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: Zakeet

The major warrior tribes should have long ago copyrighted not just their tribal name and symbols, but ironically the names that other tribes called them as well.

(For example, the real name of the Navajo is Dine. “Navajo” translates as “Enemies of the cultivating fields”, the equivalent of “Mongol Horde”. “Apache” is more to the point, meaning “Enemy”, as far as the Zuni tribe was concerned. Properly their name should translate as “Just above Mexicans on the food chain.”)

Ironically as all get out, warrior tribes have, or at least should have, considerable respect for their warrior traditions. The US military regularly uses their names on combat military equipment denoting respect.

It makes me sneer when liberals insist that Indians are hippie-like “children of nature”. Yeah, about as much as USMC Force Recon, many of whose distinguished members have been, I might add, “Native Americans”.


20 posted on 05/14/2009 5:46:20 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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