Posted on 05/17/2009 3:59:16 AM PDT by Man50D
While Barack Obama has repeatedly claimed that the U.S. is "no longer a Christian nation," several members of Congress have taken a stand to boldly disagree.
A bipartisan group of 25 members of the House of Representatives earlier this month submitted H.Res. 397, which calls on Congress to affirm "the rich spiritual and religious history of our nation's founding and subsequent history" and to designate the first week of May as America's Spiritual Heritage Week for "the appreciation of and education on America's history of religious faith."
Rep. Randy Forbes, R-Va., specifically challenged the president's claims that America is not a Christian nation in a news conference announcing the bill immediately following last week's National Day of Prayer observance.
"The overwhelming evidence suggests that this nation was born and birthed with Judeo-Christian principles," Forbes told reporters, "and I would challenge anybody to tell me that point in time when we ceased to be so, because it doesn't exist."
(Excerpt) Read more at worldnetdaily.com ...
Like I said, the school cannot establish a religion, require religious training (except secular humanism of course) The schools cannot prohibit the students from practicing their religion either.
You seem to think the government is the nation.
You said — You seem to think the government is the nation.
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The government is the official representation of the people, by means of the people’s participation in the governmental process and agreement with it (again per the process).
And, it goes back — once again — to the fact that the United States is not a Christian nation — but — there are people “in the nation” who are Christian.
There is a difference between the two.
In addition, the Christians don’t even make up a majority of the people in the first place, but as God has said, He always has a *remnant* and we do have a *remnant* here in the United States — even if the United States is not a Christian nation.
You said — Jefferson spent over half of the Declaration of Independance making arguments to bible believers that we had the RIGHT to throw off the rightful government.
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And likewise, the people of our day figured that they had a right to officially “throw out” God out of the country and out of politics and out of the legal system and out of the schools and out of the government and all its process — and the “people” (by way of our government that was voted in by the people) are now working on getting all things of “God” — out of — the public sphere and discourse.
Only the most misguided would ever call the United States a Christian nation (or a fool, that is...). But of course, God says a fool has said in his heart that there is no God — which does appear to be what the people of this country are saying (for the majority, anyway...).
I don't think so.
Voter fraud at every level in the cities. Scumholes of the earth.
You said — Voter fraud at every level in the cities. Scumholes of the earth.
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Whatever fraud is there, it’s there as a result of the U.S. being a secular nation — and not a Christian Nation...
The U.S. is a secular nation with Christians in it.
The U.S. is a secular nation with Jews in it.
The U.S. is a secular nation with Mormons in it (a cult group)
The U.S. is a secular nation with Jehovah’s Witnesses in it (another cult group).
The U.S. is a secular nation with Moonies in it (yet another cult group).
The U.S. is a secular nation with Muslims in it (and yet again a major cult group).
The U.S. is a secular nation with atheists in it (an idiotic group).
The U.S. is a secular nation with pagans in it (the “who cares” and “be happy” group).
[I could go on, but I’ll stop there... LOL...]
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Oh... one more group...
The U.S. is a secular nation with “We’re a Christian Nation” group (part of the “ostrich” family...)
Makes perfect sense to me.
Sadly, Obama is right on this one thing.....we are no longer majority Christian!!! People may SAY they are Christian, but the DON’T LIVE the Christian life.
That’s a good example for what we *once* were.
It’s too bad it’s not true today or never could be written today...
Well..., one of the remnant who sees the picture clearly... :-)
Mine sure the hell is.
“in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven”
I have heard it said this was common usage at that time and doesn’t mean anything. I argued otherwise!
It’s like the phrase “God bless you’ or “Bless you” when sneezing.
A legend holds that it was believed that the heart stops when you sneeze, and the phrase “bless you” is meant to ensure the return of life or to encourage your heart to continue beating.[2][3][1]
One explanation holds that the custom originally began as an actual blessing. Gregory I became Pope in 590 as an outbreak of the bubonic plague was reaching Rome. In hopes of fighting off the disease, he ordered unending prayer and parades of chanters through the streets. At the time, sneezing was thought to be an early symptom of the plague. The blessing (”God bless you!”) became a common effort to halt the disease.[3]
A variant of the Pope Gregory I story places it with Pope Gregory VII, then tells the common (though untrue) story of “Ring Around the Rosey” being connected to the same plague.[4]
Another version says that people used to believe that your soul can be thrown from your body when you sneeze,[1] that sneezing otherwise opened your body to invasion by the Devil[3] or evil spirits,[2] or that sneezing was your body’s effort to force out an invading evil spirit.[1] Thus, “bless you” or “God bless you” is used as a sort of shield against evil.
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_bless_you ]
I doubt that anyone thinks that demons are being forced out and that you need God’s blessing to keep them from coming back in again, or any of the other explanations.
However it started — it simply turns out to be a “convention” that is used today, that has no bearing on “God” or evil spirits or the plague or anything like that.
It’s the same with “in the year of our Lord”... in its usage, no matter “how it started”...
And your point is?
You said — And your point is?
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“After all, who could they have been referring to when they said “Our Lord”....& from whose birth dats are our years numbered by, pray tell???”
Post #4...
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Point is — same type of example...
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