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From the Desk of Congresswoman Carolyn McCarthy[“no fly list”-Can't be eligible to buy guns]
Floral Park Dispatch ^ | 14 May 2009 | Carolyn McCarthy

Posted on 05/18/2009 8:52:05 AM PDT by BGHater

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"To increase public safety and reduce the threat to domestic security by including persons who may be prevented from boarding an aircraft in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System, and for other purposes."

H.R. 2401: No Fly, No Buy Act of 2009[GovTrack]

HR 2401[OpenCongress.org]

1 posted on 05/18/2009 8:52:06 AM PDT by BGHater
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To: BGHater

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7vp7f1QKYmg


2 posted on 05/18/2009 8:55:50 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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I wonder if these idiots, drunk with power and determined to gut our Constitution have decided what they will do when more than 50% of US Citizen adults are on that “no-fly no-buy” list?


3 posted on 05/18/2009 8:56:58 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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Great denied firearms because you have a name that is similar to some whacko somewhere and can’t get yourself off the no-fly list.


4 posted on 05/18/2009 8:57:39 AM PDT by Domandred (Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment.)
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I think that McCarthy needs to be careful what she asks for.

Linking the No-Fly list to exercise of a Constitutionally-protected right will make the No-Fly list subject to judicial review.

Right now, the list is "secret". There's no published criteria for inclusion. There's no procedure for being removed. Linking it to gun ownership will require that it be opened up for all to see, and will make it subject to challenge.

5 posted on 05/18/2009 8:58:14 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.)
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The WOT and being kept safe will always be used for Gov’t power.


6 posted on 05/18/2009 8:59:27 AM PDT by BGHater (It's easy to be a Conservative now.)
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I knew before I read it that the accompanying screed would invoke the catchphrases “loophole” and “common sense legislation.” There is a little problem with this legislation, however, at least in regard to American citizens - that inconvenient due process thingy. You’re supposed to get a trial before you’re punished. Silly of us, I know, but that’s the way it is.


7 posted on 05/18/2009 9:01:13 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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Linking it to gun ownership will require that it be opened up

There is scant reason to assume precedent, logic, reason or decency mean anything to the legal class.

8 posted on 05/18/2009 9:02:15 AM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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This is an end-run at trying to take guns away from law-abiding citizens.


9 posted on 05/18/2009 9:03:46 AM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist ("President Obama, your agenda is not new, it's not change, and it's not hope" - Rush Limbaugh 02/28)
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Interesting that each of the given examples already constituted a crime under existing gun laws.


10 posted on 05/18/2009 9:06:55 AM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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I’ve got to believe that the courts will slap this down. We’re talking about the denial of a fundamental right, without due process. You aren’t even informed that you’re on the No Fly list, let alone given an opportunity to have a regular court proceeding (even on appeal from an administrative hearing) to have that changed. I have a BIG problem with the lack of Due Process regarding the No Fly list to begin with (because travel is a fundamental right), LET ALONE affecting another, unrelated, fundamental right.

Besides, the No Fly list is intended to keep dangerous people off of planes. We’re not so worried, on a federal level, with some nut shooting 1 or a few, or even a few dozen people - as bad as that is. Though that could be an act of terror, it is on a way different level from bringing down a plane, or using a plane as a giant cruise missile. If someone has been adjudicated as having done something that disqualifies them from owning a firearm, that’s a separate matter. But if they haven’t been, why is a mere suspicion of being a bad actor enough to deny a fundamental right????


11 posted on 05/18/2009 9:08:18 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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No due process involved; what a great time saver.

Another catch 22. You have to be sane to buy a gun - only an insane person would want to buy a gun.

12 posted on 05/18/2009 9:08:18 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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“You have to be sane to buy a gun - only an insane person would want to buy a gun.”

You have a keen insight of the Soviet intellect, Comrade.


13 posted on 05/18/2009 9:19:36 AM PDT by TexasRepublic
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Congressman Israel added, “Gun safety measures like the ‘No Fly, No Buy’ Act should be a no brainer for every member of Congress.

Unfortunately, "no brainer" describes quite a few congresspeople these days.

I think we should substitute other rights in for gun rights, and see how it works.

Nobody who is on the no-fly list should be able to get a driver's license. They could kill someone with their car.

Nobody who is on the no-fly list should be able to vote. They might put an anti-american socialist into the Presidency.

Nobody who is on the no-fly list should be able to own a phone. They might plot with other terrorists.

We should be allowed to invade the homes of people on the no-fly list, because they shouldn't have the 4th amendment protection against search and seizure.

We should be allowed to question people on the no-fly list without lawyers, and using harsh interrogation techniques, because they shouldn't have 5th amendment protections.

This is fun.

14 posted on 05/18/2009 9:22:58 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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NICS checks resulted in an estimated 650 terrorist-related record hits in their databases. Of these, 44 were found to be valid. However, 35 of these transactions were allowed to proceed because being identified as a known or suspected terrorist is not grounds to prohibit a person from being transferred a firearm under current law.

So 606 out of 650 incidents, people should not have been on the terrorist watch list but now these congress critters want to close a loophole that would have stopped 44 "known or suspected terrorists" from purchasing a gun while wrongly denying 606 law-abiding citizens their constitutional rights?

15 posted on 05/18/2009 9:23:39 AM PDT by VRWCmember
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OK...so that law should also forbid any member of Congress,past or present,from owning a firearm or being protected by anyone who carries a firearm.


16 posted on 05/18/2009 9:26:36 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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So we are going to ‘fix a problem’ so that terrorists and sympathizers cannot buy guns legally and use as examples situations where terrorists and sympathizers have purchased guns illegally.

I’m just checking the logic here...


17 posted on 05/18/2009 9:28:27 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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Another catch 22. You have to be sane to buy a gun - only an insane person would want to buy a gun.

Trouble with that point of view from McCarthy and her ilk is that 85 million of us already have some 1/4 of a billion guns. Something comes to mind about horses and barn doors.

18 posted on 05/18/2009 9:29:08 AM PDT by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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Congressman Israel added, “Gun safety measures like the ‘No Fly, No Buy’ Act should be a no brainer for every member of Congress. It’s common sense legislation.

Let's see ... "No brainer" Yup, that applies to every member of Congress PLUS all of the Executive Branch, plus all the agencies.

But.... "common sense?" That term has no application anywhere in Washington DC. So I guess the two cancel each other out.

19 posted on 05/18/2009 9:32:52 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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From what I remember; the hijackers on Sept 11th used box cutters...boxcutters = guns to these wing nuts??? Just one more way for them to take away our rights.


20 posted on 05/18/2009 9:33:26 AM PDT by SAMS ("I may look harmless, but I raised a U.S. MARINE!" Army Wife & Marine Mom)
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