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Posted on 05/23/2009 3:31:25 AM PDT by Man50D
A San Diego pastor and his wife claim they were interrogated by a county official and warned they will face escalating fines if they continue to hold Bible studies in their home.
The couple, whose names are being withheld until a demand letter can be filed on their behalf, told their attorney a county government employee knocked on their door on Good Friday, asking a litany of questions about their Tuesday night Bible studies, which are attended by approximately 15 people.
"Do you have a regular weekly meeting in your home? Do you sing? Do you say 'amen'?" the official reportedly asked. "Do you say, 'Praise the Lord'?"
The pastor's wife answered yes.
She says she was then told, however, that she must stop holding "religious assemblies" until she and her husband obtain a Major Use Permit from the county, a permit that often involves traffic and environmental studies, compliance with parking and sidewalk regulations and costs that top tens of thousands of dollars.
And if they fail to pay for the MUP, the county official reportedly warned, the couple will be charged escalating fines beginning at $100, then $200, $500, $1000, "and then it will get ugly."
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show me a warrant for my arrest, or a court order but until then get the f off MY property or I’ll put you off.
Wonder what he meant it will get “ugly”? Would that mean rounding them up and putting them on the cattle car and taking them to the showers for cleansing?
For some of those types, it would be a dream come true.
And I'll have you struck dead by lightning. But, seriously, I'm an atheist and I am mortified that such harassment from a government official could be tolerated. Get the ACLU, if needs be.
I smell a homeowners association
I don’t care if you are having a meeting of the one eyed squid eaters of San Diego county in your home. The local govt. has no business trying to stop you.
You would think these govt. stupids would have ANYTHING better to do.
and probably cars that are taking up residential parking spaces.
>I smell a homeowners association>
Or bothered neighbors. It may be that they’re violating some parking rules - if 15 people are showing up is that 10-15 cars parking on a street that may have limited parking?
The article says they have to apply for permits regarding parking and sidewalks.
I don’t know if the whole story is being being told in this article. I don’t think we’re that far along where the gestapo are shutting down churches.
Just my 2 cents. :)
Soon you will have to have a permit to have a few friends around for a BBQ.
These are such little people who have attained a little bit of power and use it in an insane way.
I would have told him to mind his own business and get a real job - it is no business of the Government what you do in your home and to answer their questions is to legitimise their harrassemnt.
I know several people who consider the street in front of their house to be their property. If anyone parks there, they go nuts.
But I suspect that is not the case. I suspect that the city objects to the assembly of people with regularity for several purposes which might include, for example, Tupperware party sales, because of the disruption to the neighborhood. Reasonable regulations are not unconstitutional intrusions on the right of free exercise of religion when applied across the board. That is because there is no constitutional right to practice a religion if the practice is in violation of reasonable police and welfare powers of the state. In other words, it is not a defense to the violation of laws of polygamy to assert that one is practicing the free exercise of Mormonism. It is not a defense to animal welfare laws that one is practicing kosher slaughter unless that kind of slaughter is approved. It is not a defense to female mutilation that one is a Muslim.
A practical solution is simply to rotate the prayer meetings among the the various penitents' houses so that the meetings at one location such as the pastor's house become so separated in time that they fall into an exclusion of the general rule.
I agree re not getting the whole story. This sounds just a bit “too good to be true.”
As an American of some years I find this action by some dumb govt. Hack, hard to believe.
this crap must be stopped.
No way can this be tolerated! All levels of government are just busting to do away with constitutional limits, it’s got to be stopped!
ACLU??? How long have you been here? The ACLU will make sure her neighbors are protected from this evil and illegal act, unless they want to teach the Koran.
Hmmmm now that I think of it.. they should hold a Kran study the next night with the same number of people and see what happens (but better not say “amen” or “praise the lord”)
1. The couple is filling the street with cars once a week and creating a nuisance. The person from the enforcement office stupidly asked about the religious nature of the meetings rather than just tell them that they can't tie up the street every Tuesday night.
2. The couple isn't causing a nuisance but some very intolerant neighbor is upset that they are exercising religious freedom. The intolerant neighbor complained. Instead of taking a look at the situation on a Tuesday night, realizing that there wasn't a problem, and telling the intolerant neighbor to quit complaining or be cited for wasting the county's time, some brain-dead bureaucrat decided to harass this couple.
3. The couple is creating a mild nuisance but the problem is still an intolerant neighbor. This neighbor is probably the one who has 20 people to his house every Friday night but still hates the thought of these Tuesday night Bible studies.
‘one eyed squid eaters’..LOL!
While I suspect there is probably more to this story, it is always safe to presume, until proven otherwise, that the government is always guilty of violating the rights of the people.
Do you have a warrant? No? Then f**k off.
He has no idea how "ugly" it will get--for him. He has made a huge mistake by persecuting this couple. We take care of our own, as he will very soon find out as he's looking at classified ads for a new job.
There will be charges filed apparently.
It lasts 2 hours max.
Our church calls them 'small groups' and there are at least 6 throughout the community during the week.....it's an extension of bringing our members together & knowing them better---but it is not exclusive and our neighbors know they would be welcome to attend.
No one can hear us from the street --we are quiet & show respect to our neighbors.
We own our home, we have lived here 8 years and our neighbors like us and know about the Bible study.
But I can see someone moving into the neighborhood who is anti-Bible study and doing something exactly like this.
I will take this story seriously because we are in a new era of fear & retaliation, it seems.
But we will hold our Bible study (Lord willing) as long as we can.
When was the right to peaceful assembly revoked? Did I miss something?
The article names a "government official". If it were a HOA, the only recourse is civil, not criminal.
But, a complaint from a neighbor can call for swift government action.
If you don't like somebody, just say you "think you saw" kiddy porn on their computer... it's a perfectly anonymous thing which is probably repeated daily!
They’ll need a lot of luck to stop people from worshiping in homes. Nobody has been able to stop it in 2000 years, no matter what kind of force they bring.
Amen. Accompanied by the business end of a shotgun to punctuate the sentiment.
Very interesting. Thanks for posting. Thanks to every poster. BTTT!
Wing Nut Daily has a tendency to conveniently omit certain details.
Well, I guess a thursday night Tupperware party will be out of the question!
I'm not selfish enough to think that the street in front of my house is my property, but I do like to think I should get first dibs on parking there. I also don't like the idea of anyone I don't know parking in front of my house. You never know what they're up to. Of course, I live in a quiet neighborhood where someone parking in front of your house is not a typical thing.
If this same couple had weekly parties for wife swapping, dope smoking or other activities not church related would there be a need for a MUP???
Yesterday evening I was talking to some people who recently moved into our neighborhood from CA. They left the San Fran area when their daughter came home from school last year and she had been told not to mention the word God in class. The mom is now homeschooling her kids.
Call the bible meetings GAY ORGIES and your rights will be protected 100%.
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Looks like the First Amendment will have to be supported by the Second.
People better get a grip, and damn right soon. This kind of stuff cannot be allowed to take root.
That’s right, it could (theoretically) apply to anything: A music club, a computer enthusiast group, a dog training group, etc.
Just the first test step leading up to implementation of oscumbo's new "preventative detention" policy.
“And I’ll have you struck dead by lightning. But, seriously, I’m an atheist and I am mortified that such harassment from a government official could be tolerated. Get the ACLU, if needs be.”
And you’re welcome to play on my team anytime... I’ll be glad to support your freedoms as well, even if I completely disagree with your views on God. THAT is what is meant by a FREE society.
Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints ( commonly referred to as “Mormons”) do not practice polygamy. In fact, they are immediately excommunicated from this church if it is learned that they are.