Posted on 05/26/2009 1:08:58 PM PDT by doug from upland
FROM THIS POST CAME A FREEPER SUGGESTION
To: doug from upland
"Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or “registrant” according to the legal description from the governor’s office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant." Well HERE's a thought. Why not wave some money under that half-brother of Zero's living in a shack in Kenya to request a copy. He's living on less than 5 bucks a day in some tin shack according to news reports. Common ancestor and all that. 128 posted on Monday, May 25, 2009 11:31:56 AM by gemoftheocean (...geez, this all seems so straight forward and logical to me...)
I briefly spoke to Berg on the phone today and inquired whether someone having the right to a copy of the infamous "birth" certificate would demand one from the county recorder in Hawaii. His immediate response was that no one in the family has turned on him. When I suggested that someone might for the right amount of money, he paused, then said that there is no money. He then had to get back to a long distance call which I had apparently interrupted.
So, there's the story. For enough money, would someone entitled to a copy demand a copy? Would Obama and his thugs pay him off to back down from such demand? Would that person simply disappear from the face of the earth?
The idea is a good one. If a million bucks was raised, wouldn't a relative cut a deal? Hmmmmmmm.......
I thought I read that VP Cheney was a distant relative...?
I would bet that the zero would pay even more to buy them off. If he couldn’t buy them off, one of the thugs in the family could probably make them disappear.
We can’t even get people to donate to FR to keep the site running. This has to be the longest fund raiser in the history of FR.
Cheney had his chance in January to challenge Obama’s status as a NBC citizen but Cheney elected not to do so.
I faintly recall reading the same thing myself.
Then there is no excuse — there are anti bama cousins.
“From the best I can tell, 99% of the people have free long distance phone service.”
Never heard of free long distance.
This quest for Barry’s birth certificate is a waste of time. I wish it were otherwise. But if there are those that must persist in futile endeavors, then so be it. The money should never be handed over until after a verified certificate is produced. Everyone should be wary of the half-brother as he is a bad character. I’d be wary of all of the relatives.
When rats spout the slogan “truth to power”, they mean “sacrifice truth to gain power”.
Mine cost me money.
“When rats spout the slogan “truth to power”, they mean “sacrifice truth to gain power”.”
Correct. Thats what today’s Democrats are all about, and they are now hooked in with the world power people. Truth, freedom, justice are only tools to their ends.
Ummmm. I thought that Berg had been raising money for months.
I wonder if all these guys who 'brought it it trial', failed because that was their intention; to make the Republican chumps think that it was being taken care of.
heads up
Warning: no real new ground here, but simply a logical process to be able to get the long form BC. However, being somewhat of an amateur genealogist (for myself), I do know how to do research (see the bottom part of this post - the top deals with legal issues).
The section of Hawaii’s law that deals with access to vital records is HRS Section 338(18), the text of which is here: http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/hrscurrent/Vol06_Ch0321-0344/HRS0338/HRS_0338-0018.htm
Subsection (b)(5) reads as follows:
“(b) The department shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons shall be considered to have a direct and tangible interest in a public health statistics record:
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(5) A person having a common ancestor with the registrant;”
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The website for the Hawaii State Department of Health, located at http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/vital-records/elig_vrcc.html indicates
“A certified copy of a vital record (birth, death, marriage, or divorce certificate) is issued only to an applicant who has a direct and tangible interest in the record. The following persons are considered to have such an interest:
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a person having a common ancestor with the registrant (e.g., a sibling, grandparent, aunt/uncle, or cousin);”
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Neither the text of the law, nor the information on the website, seem to restrict the degree of consanguinity (i.e. relatedness, the point at which one is so distant a relative as to not be considered eligible by virtue of having “a common ancestor”). I am unaware of any cases dealing with Subsection (b)(5) that bear directly on this issue, though someone with access to Westlaw could look that one up in a very short timeframe. Assuming that the text actually means what it says, any relative of Obama’s on his mother’s side - meaning first cousins, aunts, uncles, 2nd cousins, 3rd cousins, etc. (since great- and great, great- uncles and aunts, etc. are highly unlikely to be alive) could request this document (i.e. the long form BC).
We need to find such a person, and get him or her to make the request. Dick Cheney won’t, I’m sure, do it (even if he might wish to do so), and would in any case have to prove common ancestry with BO’s mother back about 10 generations. SURELY there’s someone a lot closer who could prove such a relationship, and would be willing to do so?
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As an aid to finding such people, consider the following:
Ancestors of Stanley Armour Dunham (BO’s maternal grandfather): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanley_Armour_Dunham
From the article:
“[edit] Ancestry
Stanley Dunham’s heritage consists of English, Irish, German and other European ancestors who settled in the American colonies during the 17th and 18th centuries.[2]
The most recent native European ancestor was Falmouth Kearney, a farmer who emigrated from Moneygall, County Offaly, Ireland during the Great Irish Famine and settled in Jefferson Township, Tipton County, Indiana. Kearney’s youngest daughter, Mary Ann (Kearney) Dunham, was Stanley Dunham’s paternal grandmother.[3]
Through a common ancestor, Mareen Duvall (a wealthy Huguenot merchant who emigrated to Maryland in the 1650s, Stanley Dunham is related to former Vice-President Dick Cheney (an eighth cousin once removed).[4] Through another common ancestor, Hans Gutknecht, a Swiss German from Bischwiller, Alsace whose three sons resettled in Germantown, Pennsylvania as well as the Kentucky frontier in the mid-1700s, Stanley Dunham is also related to President Harry S Truman (fourth cousins, twice removed).[5][6][7]
[edit] Early life
His parents were Ralph Waldo Emerson Dunham, Sr. and Ruth Lucille Armour, [8] from Wichita, Kansas. His father’s ancestors settled in Kempton, Indiana in the 1840s.[9]
Ralph and Ruth Dunham were married in a home on S. St. Francis, Wichita. “
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Now for BO’s maternal grandmother:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madelyn_Dunham
From the article:
“Madelyn Lee Payne was born in Peru, Kansas, the eldest daughter of Rolla Charles “R.C.” Payne and Leona Belle (McCurry) Payne.”
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“According to oral tradition, Madelyn Dunham’s mother had some Cherokee ancestors.[38][39] Her heritage consists mostly of English ancestors, and smaller amounts of Scottish, Welsh, Irish and Swiss ancestors, who settled in the American colonies during the 17th and 18th centuries.[40] Her two most recent native European ancestors were her great-great grandpathers [sic], Lewis Wolfley (originally Ludwig), a Swiss immigrant, and Robert Perry, who was born in Anglesey, Wales in 1786 and whose father, Henry Perry, first settler of Radnor, Ohio in 1803. Robert Perry’s wife, Sarah Hoskins, was also born in Wales and immigrated to Delaware County, Ohio as a young child.”
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OK, folks, you have family names and ancestral towns. Start searching - maybe YOU are descended from a common ancestor with Barack Hussein Obama, and are entitled under Hawaii law to obtain a certified copy of his long form birth certificate!
PLEASE copy this post verbatim, and sent it to everyone you know whom you think may be helpful. I honestly don’t know if this guy is Constitutionally qualified to be the President of the United States - but I’d like to know, either way. The fact of his, and the Democratic Party’s, approximately $1 million of legal efforts to deny access to this document is, to say the least, highly suspicious and deeply disturbing.
ELECTION 2008
Obama’s birth certificate sealed by Hawaii governor
Says Democratic senator must make request to obtain original document
Posted: October 26, 2008
9:54 pm Eastern
By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2009 WorldNetDaily
Gov. Linda Lingle, R-Hawaii
HONOLULU, Hawaii – Although the legitimacy of Sen. Barack Obama’s birth certificate has become a focus of intense speculation – and even several lawsuits – WND has learned that Hawaii’s Gov. Linda Lingle has placed the candidate’s birth certificate under seal and instructed the state’s Department of Health to make sure no one in the press obtains access to the original document under any circumstances.
The governor’s office officially declined a request made in writing by WND in Hawaii to obtain a copy of the hospital-generated original birth certificate of Barack Obama.
“It does not appear that Dr. Corsi is within any of these categories of persons with a direct and tangible interest in the birth certificate he seeks,” wrote Roz Makuala, manager of constituent services in the governor’s office, in an e-mailed response to a WND request seeking the information.
Those listed as entitled to obtain a copy of an original birth certificate include the person born, or “registrant” according to the legal description from the governor’s office, the spouse or parent of the registrant, a descendant of the registrant, a person having a common ancestor with the registrant, a legal guardian of the registrant, or a person or agency acting on behalf of the registrant.
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WND was told the official reason for denial of access to Obama’s birth certificate would be authority granted pursuant to Section 338-18 of the Hawaii Revised Statutes, a provision the anonymous source claimed was designed to prevent identity theft.
Still, the source told WND confidentially the motivation for withholding the original birth certificate was political, although the source refused to disclose whether there was any information on the original birth certificate that would prove politically embarrassing to Obama.
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The source also refused to answer WND’s question whether the original document on file with the Department of Health was a hospital-generated birth certificate or a registration of birth that may have been filed subsequent to the birth.
The anonymous source made clear the Hawaii Department of Health would immediately release Obama’s original birth certificate, provided Obama requested the document be released, but the Department of Heath has received no such request from the senator or from anyone acting officially on his behalf.
WND also found on microfilm in the Honolulu downtown public library a notice published under the “Births, Marriages, Deaths” section of the Honolulu Sunday Advertiser for August 13, 1961, on page B-6, noting: “Mr. and Mrs. Barack II Obama. 6085 Kalanianaole-Hwy, son, Aug. 4.”
In searching through the birth notices of the Honolulu Advertiser for 1961, WND found many birth notices were published between one and two weeks after the date of birth listed.
The notice in the Honolulu Advertiser does not list the hospital where the Obama son was born or the doctor who delivered the baby.
In a startling development, Obama’s Kenyan grandmother has reportedly alleged she witnessed Obama’s birth at the Coast Provincial Hospital in Mombasa, Kenya.
Friday, U.S. Federal judge Richard Barclay Surrick, a Clinton appointee, dismissed a lawsuit brought by Pennsylvania attorney Phillip J. Berg who alleged Obama was not a U.S. “natural born” citizen and therefore ineligible for the presidency under the specifications of the U.S. Constitution, under Article II, Section 1.
Berg told WND last week he does not have a copy of a Kenyan birth certificate for Obama that he alleges exists.
In Kenya, WND was told by government authorities that all documents concerning Obama were under seal until after the U.S. presidential election on November 4.
The Obama campaign website entitled “Fight the Smears” posts a state of Hawaii “Certificate of Live Birth” which is obviously not the original birth certificate generated by the hospital where Obama reportedly was born.
“Fight the Smears” declares, “The truth is, Barack Obama was born in the state of Hawaii in 1961, a native citizen of the United States of America.”
Although the Obama campaign could immediately put an end to all the challenges by simply producing the candidate’s original birth certificate, it has not done so. And the “Fight the Smears” website offers no explanation as to why Obama has refused to request, and make public, an original hospital-generated birth certificate which the Hawaii Department of Health may possess.
Well, the closer ones, maybe. However, see my Post #35. "ALL" of the relatives almost certainly encompasses a LOT of people - many of whom are undoubtedly very responsible, decent people. One of them definitely is, IMHO - one Richard Bruce Cheney, the 46th Vice President of the United States.
You're right, this might be a waste of time - but riddle me this: IF it is, then why have Obama and the DNC spent something on the order of $1 million to deny access to this document to anyone else?
I think it worth the effort for someone on FR to track down a legitimate person who shares a common ancestor with BO, just to see what it is that is apparently so valuable to be protected. What's the secret? Me, I suspect one of 2 things - either he's not a legitimate natural born citizen OR his real father isn't Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., but Frank Marshall Davis. If it is all nothingness, then the burden is on BO (and the DNC, although I don't really care what they say) to explain why he spent so much money trying to suppress this information.
Have any States pass a law requiring the presentation of an origional Birth Certificate before standing for election ot office?
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