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Couple Ordered to Stop Holding Bible Study at Home Without Permit
Fox News ^ | May 28, 2009 | Fox News

Posted on 05/29/2009 8:17:05 PM PDT by AngieGal

Pastor David Jones and his wife Mary have been told that they cannot invite friends to their San Diego, Calif. home for a Bible study — unless they are willing to pay tens of thousands of dollars to San Diego County.

"On Good Friday we had an employee from San Diego County come to our house, and inform us that the Bible study that we were having was a religious assembly, and in violation of the code in the county." David Jones told FOX News.

"We told them this is not really a religious assembly — this is just a Bible study with friends. We have a meal, we pray, that was all," Jones said.

A few days later, the couple received a written warning that cited "unlawful use of land," ordering them to either "stop religious assembly or apply for a major use permit," the couple's attorney Dean Broyles told San Diego news station 10News.

But the major use permit could cost the Jones' thousands of dollars just to have a few friends over.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: biblestudy; christians; sandiego

1 posted on 05/29/2009 8:17:06 PM PDT by AngieGal
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To: AngieGal

Remember the stuff that happened under Clinton?


2 posted on 05/29/2009 8:22:32 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (the machines are breaking.)
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To: AngieGal

How about, oh,say, 100 million dollars for 1st amendment violations?

Just axing.


3 posted on 05/29/2009 8:23:14 PM PDT by gigster
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To: AngieGal

In the pre-Obama America, this would be a violation of the First Amendment. This is what happens when you invite the Communists in to run your government. A man and his friends can’t read the Holy Bible and pray IN THEIR OWN HOME? When the government requires you to have a “permit” to pray in your home, we are in deep trouble.


4 posted on 05/29/2009 8:23:17 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Gibbs needs to be "exceedingly careful" when threatening the American people.)
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To: AngieGal

No more NFL football TV parties either. NO more Birthday parties either.


5 posted on 05/29/2009 8:24:21 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: AngieGal

FYI: This already has been posted. Anyway, definitely follow the FOXNews link, where you will find follow-up links and comments from the county officials plus photos of the couple’s house/driveway. The county maintains the extra cars parked on the road may block fire and emergency vehicles. Potential hazard or Christian persecution? You decide.


6 posted on 05/29/2009 8:25:16 PM PDT by kittykat77 (?)
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To: TomasUSMC

Yup, libs pretty much suck the fun out of life......


7 posted on 05/29/2009 8:25:44 PM PDT by Kimmers (Be the kind of person when your feet hit the floor each morning the devil says, Oh crap, she's awake)
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To: gigster

We WON’T see the ACLU defend this one! Now if the assembly was The Communist Pedophiles Against the Grand Old Flag The ACLU would be all over it!


8 posted on 05/29/2009 8:25:50 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: AngieGal

This is the 14th or 15th thread on this subject.
I think some of the problem was the vistors parking in the resident’s parking areas and one of the vistors car hit a resident’s


9 posted on 05/29/2009 8:27:05 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

If it was a black pastor screaming about whitey then all would be forgiven. Or, maybe a Muslim prayer group. Wouldn’t want to offend them either.


10 posted on 05/29/2009 8:27:19 PM PDT by misterrob (A society that burdens future generations with debt can not be considered moral or just)
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To: AngieGal

Do it anyway. They cannot stop you from worshiping or assembly. Pretty simple constitutional case in my opinion.

These people will end up owning half of the county.


11 posted on 05/29/2009 8:29:14 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm SO glad I no longer belong to the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: AngieGal
But Black Panthers swinging billy clubs at a polling location in Philadelphia doesn't rise to the level of governmental action...... Only in Obama’s America.
12 posted on 05/29/2009 8:29:17 PM PDT by Natural Law
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Heck the Conservatives need to start banning together and making up our own RULES!


13 posted on 05/29/2009 8:29:19 PM PDT by classified
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To: SoCalPol

If there were traffic violations, or problems with the parking, then by all means deal with it.

If they were asking about prayer or worship going on in the home, that is another thing.


14 posted on 05/29/2009 8:30:49 PM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm SO glad I no longer belong to the party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: gigster

“How about, oh,say, 100 million dollars for 1st amendment violations?”

Okay, so long as the domestic enemies of the Constitution responsible for this outrage go to jail for a looooooong time.


15 posted on 05/29/2009 8:33:44 PM PDT by dsc (A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument.)
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To: AngieGal
Thank You Satan 1:50
16 posted on 05/29/2009 8:34:10 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (<P><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajsov1M4h50"> Thank You Satan 1:50</a>)
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To: SoCalPol; kittykat77

Sorry for the repost. I actually did do a title search with the word “couple”. None of the articles came up. They still don’t.

However, I have been able to find them now with any of the other words from the title. Odd... I guess I should have looked harder. Sorry again.


17 posted on 05/29/2009 8:34:59 PM PDT by AngieGal
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To: kittykat77

“Potential hazard or Christian persecution?”

If it had been barbecue and beer, the complaint never would have been filed, and Big Brother never would have demanded a permit.

You decide.


18 posted on 05/29/2009 8:36:11 PM PDT by dsc (A man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument.)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

They were asked exactly that, even how they prayed! If the neighbors have a problem with the parking, car pool and have less cas at the house. Meet up at the church, that’s all. They cannot stop the prayer group.


19 posted on 05/29/2009 8:39:32 PM PDT by gidget7 (Duncan Hunter-Valley Forge Republican!)
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To: kittykat77
The county maintains the extra cars parked on the road may block fire and emergency vehicles.

You check my street if you want to see cars. And the whole neighborhood is the same way.

20 posted on 05/29/2009 8:40:20 PM PDT by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

This group is located in Bonita near Chula Vista and the border area.

I live in San Diego and a native here. Never heard of a similar situation. There is more to this than what is reported. What is wrong having their meetings at their church.


21 posted on 05/29/2009 8:42:27 PM PDT by SoCalPol (Reagan Republican for Palin 2012)
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To: AngieGal

I keep forwarding similar stories to my highly religious, but reliably Democrat Grandmother hoping one day she will see the light. Running out of time...


22 posted on 05/29/2009 8:43:39 PM PDT by exist
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To: the invisib1e hand

23 posted on 05/29/2009 8:44:41 PM PDT by Former Fetus
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To: AngieGal

There are some questions here that need to be answered.

First, is it really their home or is it owned by the Church and given to them as a parsonage? The heart of that question is the property tax exemption for church property.

I would dearly love to see them convert a home from taxable personal property into non-taxable church property.

The second question is how often do they have to assemble somewhere else to get out of it needing a permit? If they could go to someone else’s house once a month and theirs the other weeks, would that require a permit?


24 posted on 05/29/2009 8:49:13 PM PDT by CurlyDave
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To: dsc

Count me in.


25 posted on 05/29/2009 8:59:27 PM PDT by gigster
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To: kittykat77

Thanks for the suggestion to follow the links to pics. Having seen the street, it’s hard not to see this story ending up as some over zealous bureaucrats (and perhaps neighbors) getting their rear ends handed to them in court.


26 posted on 05/29/2009 8:59:52 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: SoCalPol

“What is wrong having their meetings at their church.”

Nothing.

What is your point? It sounds like your point is that they shouldn’t have them at their house. Is that your point?

We have that pesky little document called the Constitution that clarifies a few things, particularly the right to peaceably assemble, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and a few other things that annoy the control freak types.


27 posted on 05/29/2009 9:05:17 PM PDT by Nik Naym (Everyone has a right to my opinion.)
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To: Kimmers

Yup, libs pretty much suck the fun out of life......

Fun? Bible study? Really? I’m either rubbing my eyes and yawning or holding back what I’d really like to say.


28 posted on 05/29/2009 9:15:50 PM PDT by flowerplough (Bammy = Oprah = Clinton = most elected Democrats, successfully feigning compassion for money&power)
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To: gigster
How about, oh,say, 100 million dollars for 1st amendment violations?

I think there is a statute the covers a violation of civil rights under color of authority. It's lawyer time.

29 posted on 05/29/2009 9:33:20 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: AngieGal

Screw them! Do it anyway, Pastor.


30 posted on 05/29/2009 9:38:34 PM PDT by ScottinVA (Impeach President Soros!!!)
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To: flowerplough

Fun? Bible study? Really?

(In any Bible study I attend) I’m either rubbing my eyes and yawning or holding back what I’d really like to say. Apologies to Kimmers and any others whom I may have confused with over-brevity.


31 posted on 05/29/2009 9:50:28 PM PDT by flowerplough (Bammy = Oprah = Clinton = most elected Democrats, successfully feigning compassion for money&power)
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To: flowerplough

>Fun? Bible study? Really?

Yeah, it can be.


32 posted on 05/29/2009 9:51:03 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: AngieGal

Another reason to stay out of California and to fight zoning wherever local government is trying to impose it. Zoning gives regulatory/enforcement authority. After that is is just a matter of time.


33 posted on 05/29/2009 10:24:34 PM PDT by SkipW
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To: AngieGal; All

If people want more info on this issue - Roger Hedgecock on KOGO600 am has been talking about it for days, along with Rick Roberts KFMB760 am.

Roger and Rick are extremely upset over this issue.

They both command large audiences in their local area, and I’m sure their interest will help rectify this miscarriage of justice.


34 posted on 05/29/2009 10:25:53 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Michael Yon: "The U.S. military is the most respected institution in Iraq.")
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To: AngieGal

File a federal lawsuit against the county for violating thier 1st amendment right (right to peacefully assemble and freedom of religion).


35 posted on 05/29/2009 10:40:33 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: AngieGal

BTTT.


36 posted on 05/29/2009 10:45:51 PM PDT by TBP
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To: AngieGal

Best get your warrant and come get me cause I will study MY BIBLE where and when I want.
And if ya don’t have a warrant then ya best get the hell off MY property.


37 posted on 05/30/2009 4:00:05 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: AngieGal

This is the first step to drive religion underground. Welcome to Marxist America.


38 posted on 05/30/2009 5:34:23 AM PDT by RetSignman (DEMSM: "If you tell a big enough lie, frequently enough, it becomes the truth")
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To: AngieGal

One more step in the attempt to make Christianity illegal by making it impossible to practice by enforcing over burdensome regulations.

JoMa


39 posted on 05/30/2009 6:41:01 AM PDT by joma89
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To: AngieGal
"Congress shall make no law...prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Isn't it already settled law that the First Amendment is "incorporated against the States"?

40 posted on 05/30/2009 9:22:46 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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