Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58
Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.
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My post was very clear. I posted your words, so my response needs no explanation. By the way— What “charge”?
Oh I’m not saying he doesn’t have blood on his hands.
But I doubt that his death will end abortions.
Well thats not very prolife
Abortion must be dealt with like every other political issue.
I have seen the prolife “purists” in Kansas EMPOWER Tiller!
We have weak or nonexistent “late term abortion” restrictions, in Kansas, PRECISELY because the “no compromise” crowd has insisted that we can not pass late term restrictions.
This is what has enriched George Tiller!
It is much like the “dry” counties, in some states, getting all of their political contributions from the “wet” counties!
George Tiller benefited from the actions of the prolifers who REFUSED to compromise!
I saw Tiller on the same side as the “no compromise” prolifers, on SEVERAL issues!
“Im not so sure about buying up buildings though. Im sure that would put a temporary crimp in their operations, but wouldnt they just move to another building?”
There’ve been a couple cases that I’ve seen. The death mills didn’t have the money for another place to lease from someone that didn’t mind an abortion mill in their building. They ended up closing down. Its really more a weapon of economics.
Nonetheless it disrupts their operations, saves lives and pushes back the enemy. In one case they found horrid conditions in the building. The conditions are quite graphic but they were putting medical waste down the disposal and into the garbage.
Quite so. And the public does not believe everything they hear from hysterical liberals.
They will if they ever read some of the comments on this thread.
Usually I would agree; but with the state condoned crimes against humanity committed by this creep...I can not agree this time. If I knew about it ahead of time, I would have turned him in to stop it, for sure.
We don’t know what the man who killed Tiller was thinking or even if he killed him because of his full term abortion industry. But if he decided to take Tiller out because the State would not uphold justice; I can not condemn him for that. If I were on the jury and he was not a nutcase out to kill everyone, I would find him not guilty.
I am with you. Murder is wrong and evil. I do not know the story of this man, and apparently he performed abortions within the law and because people wanted them, not realizing what they were doing (killing actual babies).
Our goal should be for people not to want abortions. Not to go out and ASK FOR abortions. If no one wanted abortions, this guy would not have been performing them.
Remember that now everyone in that church, especially children, will become PRO abortion because of what they have just seen. Equally will some people following the media’s VERSION of this entire story.
This murderer HURT the pro-life cause in many many ways.
I am very sorry for all affected. Not one abortion was prevented by this.
“The way to close abortion clinics is to make them obsolete by presenting the pro-life argument so irrefutably that no one wants to use them.”
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Your points are wisdom. I’ve been thinking the very same thing. If pro-life is ever successful, Home Abortion Kits and Instructions on the Internet is going to be more common then free porn.
We have to change hearts- that’s where the real battle is. If we made an “unwanted pregnancy” obsolete, you could subisidize abortion and still, no one would have one.
Yes, I do agree.
And if a member of the jury decides NOT to convict, I think that juror would be justified.
Sometimes I think its more like reading (or re-reading) the scriptures too much.
Murder is a legal term. No matter you view, that’s what happened.
At Planned Deathhood in Madison WI when “Dr.” Christiansen was asked that question he mocked because he liked singing in the choir. He seemed to revel in arguing against God and The Bible. I think it is probably public relations, to give the appearance that they are good Christian people.
No humane, caring person would ever celebrate the death of another human being, a monster, well now that's a different story.......
You are wrong. Abortion is above all a moral issue not a political issue. When we stand judgment we won't be held to account for how successful we were but how faithful we were. Treating abortion as a tradeable political issue diminishes the value of each and every human life, uniquely created by Heavenly Father.
Do you support war for a just cause? Do you support the death penalty for Tiller the Killer’s killer? Are you pro life? You are engaging in leftist “logic.”
Yet, guilt by association is just fine, if you are a “nutty prolifer”???
Get some courage folks!
Only if they repent.
Great post!
I get it, we only need to accept some killing, then everything will be ok.
I think the world went down that path just before WW II.
Exactly. Whoever did it could have been a "Manchurian candidate", somehow provoked or programmed to do this at this time when the wicked demonstrate such power to use this for the detriment of the prolife movement.
So this is the mormon attitude, or did you think you were at DU?
“Sometimes I think its more like reading (or re-reading) the scriptures too much.”
More often it is misinterpreting or ignoring the Scriptures.
“Do you support war for a just cause? Do you support the death penalty for Tiller the Killer’s killer? Are you pro life? You are engaging in leftist “logic.””
You’re confused. War and the death penalty are legal and moral when properly used.
Abortion is never moral.
Equating them as the same is dishonest.
Hmm...well ok, I can see the logic. Still sounds a bit like a “band aid” solution to me though (to use a medical metaphor).
I’m just saying prolife is prolife unborn babies or those that kill unborn babies.
We have a justice system and we elect judges and we elect people that appoint judges.
We created the justice system via elections that allowed people like Tiller to go on with thier evil deeds.
And that same justice system will take care of the person that killed Tiller.
Elections have consequences and we are paying for that when we let baby abortors kill at will.
But we should never take a life just because of what we believe about abortionists.
Father God is just and he will avenge and its not our place.
You may not like my logic but it stems from Gods Divne Word and my place in the United States of America.
No, its using the incremental approach. Banning abortion is the home run. Whats wrong with getting to first base? At least you save some lives.
We are both confused... you misread the meaning of what I wrote. :)
“Hmm...well ok, I can see the logic. Still sounds a bit like a “band aid” solution to me though (to use a medical metaphor).”
Sure, but are we really limited to just one tactic? Despite heavy govt funding abortion mills run on tight budgets. By increasing the cost of ‘business’ we can open another front in the battle and reduce the number of deaths.
I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live;
Ezekiel 33:11
Yep.
“I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that the wicked turn from his way and live. Ezekiel 33:11 “
And when the wicked know the evil of their ways and refuse to turn away from it?
David killed many people (besides Goliath) and was blessed by God.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aMC_70oYV8U
Decent people need to leave lots of decent remarks on these youtubes and blogs. You can be sure that the Obama crowd is plastering these with anti life propaganda to make it look like their destructive opinions are the norm.
That’s right. This is why I’m not so sure about buying up abortion clinic buildings and evicting them. Sure it disrupts their operations a bit but it doesnt address the fundamental reasons why people go and have abortions.
It’s a classic capitalist situation. There is a demand, and the abortion clinic is satisfying that demand. If we close down the clinic, but the demand still exists, then someone else will satisfy that demand. It happens in every other free market situation. Closing down an abortion clinic and seeing “backstreet” abortions go through the roof (with all the attendent medical trauma that goes along with it) is no victory for the pro-life cause.
Everyone concentrates on the nasty abortion clinics, and ok, they ARE culpable. But the real crime is the demand in society. That selfish idea that an unwanted pregnancy is an inconvenience to be “fixed”. The theory that the sanctity of Human life is trumped by “a right to choose”. THOSE are the evils we have to fight.
No, you are not allowed to be pro-choice on killing abortionists any more than mothers are allowed, morally, to be prochoice on killing their babies—but for different reasons. The baby is innocent. “Nuff said.
Tiller was guilty—some of his abortions are legal (but violate natural law) under our unjust abortion laws. Other things he seems to have done seem to have been illegal. But justified/moral punishment even for the guilty must be carried out after legitimate legal proceedings and by legitimate authority.
Sorry, we don’t get to pick and choose when to take the law into our own hands. This is a blanket principle. In a home invasion or in various other sorts of emergency settings, we do have the choice of self-defense but even then as a last resort).
Since you say you don’t justify this killing, we apparently agree. When I defend my condemnation of the killing by appeal to law and order, I do so by appeal to principle and by applying reasoning about the circumstances of this case to the principles, not by mindless “blanket case” argumentation. So I really don’t know what your beef with me is—if you indeed are not justifying the Tiller shooting.
No pro-life person kills another human being except in a just war. Whoever he is who did it, he's NOT pro-life. Pro-life people do not think it's okay to do what he did. If you think you are pro-life, and you "understand" what he did, you are kidding yourself about being pro-life.
There simply are not ENOUGH late term abortions of KANSAS citizens to keep Tiller in business.
Tiller benefited because OUR LAWS, in Kansas, are the MOST LIBERAL in the entire United States!
This is true because prolife “purists” fight every attempt to pass laws as strict as those in New York or Massachusetts!
Tiller was made possible, and RICH, due to prolifers fighting prolifers!
Part of what you say is correct, outright prohibitions would be struck down by the courts -—
But this is NO excuse for fighting every restriction on abortion that we tried to do!
I support the National Right to Life Committee.
ALL and Operation Rescue, despite their good intentions, have often fought the NRLC and brought our legislative initiatives to a stand still!
Want proof?
Tiller was recently PROSECUTED for violating Kansas abortion law.
When prolife Democrat Gov. Finney signed that bill into law, Operation Rescue, and ALL, called Finney a “traitor” -—
Sorry, but NRLC is FAR more competent on the legislative front.
I listen to OR when it comes to street protest, I listen to NRLC when it comes to legislation!~
Sounds like the post of someone whose conscience won’t give them peace.
You know, normally I would agree with you. But now I can no longer because the elite are now ignoring the constitution too large of an extent to make it tolerable.
The rule of law in this land is the constitution. When the elite ignore the constitution in making their laws and the courts refuse to enforce the constitution; there is no rule of law and from election to election. It gets worse and wrose.
I was talking with my sister who is busting her hump to pay her mortgage on a house that was over priced due to the banksters and politician’s games.
Ordinarly I would say to her - no matter what - pay off your promise - I’ll help you! However, we see in the bailout of the banksters and the breaking of our treasury - the breaking of contracts by Obama at the whim of self interest and the shunning of fiscal responsibility for the richest and most connected to power... and I am thinking it is all a bunch of crap right now. I did not say anything to my sister...but I was thinking bad things.
I should have put your name on my post #1037. Can you see where I am coming from with that?
Then "pro life" people are not serious when they claim that "Abortion is murder".
What an idiot remark!
No, it is you who have been sucked in by the moderates who strive to compromise on every issue. No thanks. Every abortion for every reason is unacceptable because if you allow for any the allowable will just expand just like every other the government oversees.
"Get behind me Satan"
54 When His disciples James and John saw this, they said, “Lord, do You want us to command fire to come down from heaven and consume them?”
55 But He turned and rebuked them, and said, “You do not know what kind of spirit you are of;
56 for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men’s lives, but to save them.” Luke 9
People tell you how to treat your body all day long. Take this drug, don’t take that drug. Eat this, dont eat that.
And of course abuse is never ok. Using that as justification for killing someone is simple rationalization. I grew up in church but I also grew up in public schools where they taught that abortion was good. Once I realized the truth I change my mind.
“You are men of the earth, not God himself”
Of course, but as ‘men of the earth’ we have a vote and a say on what happens in our society. I pray you will soften your heart and realize that killing an innocent is not the answer. Some of the most amazing people I have ever met were not perfect and would be aborted under the lefts ‘all imperfect babies should die’ mantra.
And they would think we love and respect abortionists if they read other comments... We are damned if we do and damned if we don’t.
So let’s just be honest - as we are and the best we can be when looking at the death of a mass murderer was protected by power politicians and the State.
Your pain is real. May you find peace.
MOgirl
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