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George Tiller (Child Murderer) shot to death at Wichita church
Wichita Eagle ^ | 05/30/2009 | Stan Finger

Posted on 05/31/2009 9:35:48 AM PDT by Kansas58

Kansas Abortionist George Tiller was shot today as he was going to Church.

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To: Kansas58

Any murder is wrong.

Even Mr Tillers, despite his bloody past.

For those of you claim the moral high ground of your faith as a means for justifying your glee over this man’s death - think again. Jesus paid for Mr Tiller as well as for you.


1,401 posted on 05/31/2009 10:38:39 PM PDT by dadgum (OverjoyedTo Be A Pariah)
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To: doug from upland
Thanks!

And, not that I mind, but the title of this thread was not, completely, my idea.

I do not think we are allowed to use the term “abortionist” in the title to threads.

Therefore, it was edited by Admin or someone, maybe FR is programmed that way?

I don't care. I think the editor improved my work. I simply want to make the point that I was NOT trying to be inflammatory, with my initial posting of this thread.

1,402 posted on 05/31/2009 10:43:05 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: HotLead61

“the “keyboard preachers” need to think a little bit more.”
+++++++++++

Aha! This guy knocks off the abortionist and sets back the pro-life movement, and yet it’s the keyboard preachers that should be pausing more...hmmmmmmm. You are correct, we don’t yet know his exact motive, and the for instance you give is an interesting one - but after about 5 prior versions of this across the 1990s, I think we may have a pretty good educated guess at this.

Oh no, I’m siding with the guy who murdered the murderer needed to really think that through a little more - to prevent more Tiller’s from taking his place.

Terrorism will never work, unless you think death is an end.


1,403 posted on 05/31/2009 10:43:11 PM PDT by SeattleBruce (God, Family, Country and the Tea Party! Take America Back! [I hate the BIGOTS in the enemedia.])
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To: prairiebreeze

Our state was founded on Vigilantism...so, I guess I have a little bit of a differing view.

If the government fails to protect the people; and consistantly ignores and nullifies laws passed by the people; you are going to see more and more vigilatism.

It is a dangerous thing to force a people to participate in immorality and murder. Society’s moral corruption will eventually turn and destroy the very ones who championed such whole scale avarice.


1,404 posted on 05/31/2009 10:43:37 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Daily example is the most subtle of poisons.' ~)
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To: Salvation

Reformation Lutheran, a liberal ELCA church.


1,405 posted on 05/31/2009 10:46:29 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: dadgum
What “glee”???

You are ridiculous!

Time and time again, posters have said that Tiller does not deserve our sorrow or our tears, even if we would not shoot him, ourselves.

I see NOBODY celebrating this event.

The PR will be negative, for the prolife cause, and for that I am worried.

Also, the fund raising letters, for the pro death crowd, have already been written and will be in the mail tomorrow, I am sure.

Still, Tiller CHOSE his life.

“I set before you life, and death”

CHOOSE LIFE!!

1,406 posted on 05/31/2009 10:50:10 PM PDT by Kansas58
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Tiller wasn’t our King.


1,407 posted on 05/31/2009 10:54:23 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Daily example is the most subtle of poisons.' ~)
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To: huldah1776

The killer isn’t Jesus.


1,408 posted on 05/31/2009 10:56:01 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Daily example is the most subtle of poisons.' ~)
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To: huldah1776

And you promote it as something to be subscribed to.


1,409 posted on 05/31/2009 11:17:38 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: Kansas58

I understand the rationale the shooter used. He saw a man committing legal murder everyday, and he felt desperate to stop it. Remember, Tiller has killed babies up to the day before delievery. However, I do not support killing abortion doctors. I believe in putting it in God’s hands, peacefully working to change the hearts and minds of the American people and ultimately changing our laws. To him, killing Tiller may have seemed like a quick fix, but it was like pissing on a forest fire. There are still abortion doctors around the country, and I think they will ultimately use this to attack pro-lifers, restrict peaceful activism, and sway people to their side. The average American won’t bother to find out what kind of man Tiller was. He/she will buy the story the pro-abortion media is selling that he was providing a “good service” and ultimately doing nothing wrong; it’s the prolifers that are dangerous.

I will not shed a tear that this man can no longer kill babies. It is sad for his family loved him. It is sad because Tiller could have repented, and now his soul is doomed. It is also sad to think the negative impact his life had. Some people die, and their lives are looked upon favorably as they devoted their lives to serving others such as Mother Teresa. Tiller died, and his life will be looked upon and remembered for the trail of dead babies. He’ll be looked upon no different than a man like Mengele because I do believe abortion will one day be almost universally seen in history as an atrocity, especially late term abortion.


1,410 posted on 05/31/2009 11:21:33 PM PDT by Pinkbell
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To: morkfork

The premise that the response to child sacrifice by one group was to send another group in to slaughter everyone, including the children...

...is madness.


1,411 posted on 05/31/2009 11:25:15 PM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: Kansas58

Several liberal churches supported him in many different ways. This is the surface. Wonder what the dark underbelly would reveal.
http://www.dr-tiller.com/unholy-alliance.htm

http://www.dr-tiller.com/

I have prayed for his business in abortion to end but wanted him to become like Dr. Bernard Nathanson or other ex-abortionists who spoke out against abortion. I tried to envision a man radically changed to love and protect the unborn...while it was difficult to do so, I knew that only G*d could have done that restoration and redemption. Now that hope is gone.

Still, there are other abortionists (or abortionists’ staff) like Belkis Gonzales, Bertha Bugarin, etc. We need to continue to pray for Ignacio Castuera who is the Planned Parenthood chaplain. Pray for liberal churches which belong to the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.


1,412 posted on 05/31/2009 11:28:50 PM PDT by Inclines to the Right (www.defundplannedparenthood.org http://www.fightfoca.com/)
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To: Kansas58
"Today we mourn the loss of our husband, father and grandfather. Today's event is an unspeakable tragedy for all of us and for George's friends and patients."

Millions of Americans mourn the loss of 49,551,703 innocent babies butchered in the womb, who were never able to draw a single breath in their very, very young lives.

"This is particularly heart wrenching because George was shot down in his house of worship, a place of peace."

Spare us. Tiller the killer waged a violent war, for which he was paid handsomely, against the most innocent and youngest human beings among us, for most of his adult life. There was nothing peaceful about him. The fact that such a person would step foot in a church is a sacrilege.

His death itself is not a tragedy. The likely loss of his soul is. And the thousands upon thousands of babies he killed is America's tragedy.

He will now meet the justice of God.

I pray for the man who shot him and for the man's family.

I pray for all the good and decent pro-lifers, who now in addition to having to live with and tolerate more than 49 and 1/2 million babies butchered in the womb, will have to listen to the hypocritical and sanctimonious self righteousness of ardent pro-abortionists because of the choice of one man acting independently to kill another man, a killer who killed thousands of our most innocent human beings.

I pray this does not set back the pro-life movement and our ability to end legalized abortion.

1,413 posted on 06/01/2009 12:03:43 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Bush's recession, Obama's depression.)
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To: Pinkbell
"I will not shed a tear that this man can no longer kill babies."

I am happy and comforted that this man can no longer kill babies. And regarding the thousands upon thousands of innocent babies he killed, I mean BUTCHERED, I am happy and comforted he will finally meet with the best and ultimate justice, God's justice.

I am sorry the actions of Tiller the Killer's, killer, will taint the good, decent and honorable pro-life movement and it's just, peaceful and loving cause.

1,414 posted on 06/01/2009 12:13:43 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Bush's recession, Obama's depression.)
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To: Kansas58

My give-a-damn is broken.


1,415 posted on 06/01/2009 12:14:20 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (We either Free America ourselves, or it is midnight for humanity for a thousand years.)
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To: Inclines to the Right
We need to continue to pray for Ignacio Castuera who is the Planned Parenthood chaplain. Pray for liberal churches which belong to the Religious Coalition for Reproductive Choice.

Better to pray for the success of those who actively fight against Planned Parenthood and the RCRC.

1,416 posted on 06/01/2009 12:52:09 AM PDT by TheFourthMagi
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To: freebilly

Well - it does show abortionists that Satan won’t protect them forever. It does allow thousands of babies a year to be born.

Not entirely a bad thing, is it?


1,417 posted on 06/01/2009 1:47:33 AM PDT by rudman
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To: fullchroma

The answer to that is that Tiller was a mass murder of of historic proportions - thousands of murdered babies every year.

The tragedy is that the government didn’t do its job and lock that menace up.


1,418 posted on 06/01/2009 1:49:39 AM PDT by rudman
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To: I see my hands

Amen


1,419 posted on 06/01/2009 1:53:24 AM PDT by rudman
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To: All

...Just thought you all should know that this thread is being featured at LGF by Charles Johnson.


1,420 posted on 06/01/2009 1:55:04 AM PDT by csense
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To: dadgum

Yes - Jesus did. And Mr. Tiller is standing in front of God right now, trembling in fear, because he knows how he’ll be judged.


1,421 posted on 06/01/2009 1:55:48 AM PDT by rudman
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To: csense

Johnson is just another fauxcon plant.


1,422 posted on 06/01/2009 3:58:56 AM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: wardaddy
I am not a pacifist, far from it. My point was that a soul was more than likely lost to hell. While the abotions that Tiller would do will stop, another doc will step in for the money. And the pro life cause will be labeled as terrorists.
1,423 posted on 06/01/2009 4:05:51 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: CodeToad
"But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."
~Matthew 9.12-13

Read your Bible, Sir.
1,424 posted on 06/01/2009 4:45:31 AM PDT by Avid Spectator (Change IS comeing!!!)
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To: newfreep
Whatever “church” Tiller attends must be worshipping satan.

As soon as I heard it I knew that he was either a Lutheran or an Episcopalian...

1,425 posted on 06/01/2009 4:47:21 AM PDT by meandog (If you don't like pitbulls, don't get one!)
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To: tuckrdout
Again, sorry, but I think it was a greater good to stop him.

The same could have been said of "Roe" in "Roe v. Wade", she caused a lot of damage. But if someone had sentenced her vigilante style, she would never have had the chance to repent...would have been a martyr for the other side...and would never have had the chance to help.

Dr. Nathanson was also an abortionist. If he had been sentenced vigilante style he would never have had the chance to repent. Never had the chance to make "The Silent Scream".

I only point out that it's a tricky business.
1,426 posted on 06/01/2009 5:11:59 AM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: meandog
As soon as I heard it I knew that he was either a Lutheran or an Episcopalian...

The 'Presbyerian Church USA' fund pastors' abortions, including partial birth abortions.

That's the reason I left the denomination years ago.

1,427 posted on 06/01/2009 5:24:10 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: dadgum

It was illegal for someone to murder Mr. Tiller, and that person will go to JAIL or be executed.

I didn’t lose any sleep last night over Mr. Tiller’s murder. Instead, I thought about my UNBORN GRANDSON who is being allowed to be born in Sept. We already bought his stroller and car seat.

I felt sad learning that Mr. Tiller killed 60,000 babies legally. How is this possible?

I thank God I have a 1 yr. old grandaughter who was allowed to live and a grandson who will be born in Sept.

Mr. Tiller, himself, legally ended 60,000 lives, and now there have been 50 million people legally aborted, gone from the face of the earth.

The murderer of Mr. Tiller will be punished. Mr. Tiller also may be facing his punishment as we speak. As far as the U.S. criminal justice system is concerned, the murderer of Mr. Tiller will face the consequences of his actions.


1,428 posted on 06/01/2009 5:46:26 AM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Avid Spectator

“Read your Bible, Sir.”

You should re-read my post and pay attention to all the words. I said he treats church like a social club. I didn’t say the church should not allow him in.


1,429 posted on 06/01/2009 5:50:39 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: big'ol_freeper

Based on your posts here, I find that you, and those who agree with you are guilty morally of the scores or hundreds of thousands of children who have been killed, because of the defeat of the legislation which would have saved their lives. You are worse than Tiller, Baby-killer!


1,430 posted on 06/01/2009 5:54:47 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Kansas58

I am not so critical of fellow travelers who have spent time in jail for the cause....


1,431 posted on 06/01/2009 5:58:43 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Avid Spectator
Luke 13:1-5 "There were present at that season some that told him of the Galilaeans, whose blood Pilate had mingled with their sacrifices. And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they suffered such things? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish. Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem? I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish."

I guess that sums about how I feel about the murder of serial baby butcher Tiller: a loss not to be mourned, but an object lesson and warning against the consequences of iniquity.

Tiller's murderer will face the dire consequences of his acts in court. He will then become an object lesson in much the same manner as Tiller.

1,432 posted on 06/01/2009 6:05:04 AM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Arkinsaw

Very good points.

While I share the view of those who say that they can not feel sorry for Tiller, I also share the view that a conversion, of Tiller, or a conviction and prison sentence, of Tiller, would have been much better for the cause.


1,433 posted on 06/01/2009 6:08:07 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: anniegetyourgun

You should, by that logic, not be so critical of me.


1,434 posted on 06/01/2009 6:10:05 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: oldfart

Conspiracy unnecessary. Raise the rhetorical pressure and some nut will suitably crack in a timely fasion. Just be ready to feast when it does.


1,435 posted on 06/01/2009 6:13:32 AM PDT by ctdonath2 (John Galt was exiled.)
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To: Pinkbell

So you are so right about the average American being uninformed and unwilling to read the facts.


1,436 posted on 06/01/2009 6:24:40 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: EveningStar

Yes, and some have even said that they killed their offspring because it would interfere with summer swim suit wearing. The American people are the culprits.


1,437 posted on 06/01/2009 6:28:39 AM PDT by Theodore R.
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To: Kansas58
My attitude towards this murder is about the same as my attitude towards the murder of Jeffrey Dahmer. Tiller killed many more but most were apparently within the law. Dahmer’s were all illegal, but were far fewer. As individuals neither was a loss to society, and I feel no regret except that they died unrepentant. The death of Ted Bundy was less objectionable because it was within the law.
1,438 posted on 06/01/2009 6:29:41 AM PDT by Lucius Cornelius Sulla ("men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Kansas58

I wasn’t.


1,439 posted on 06/01/2009 6:30:50 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: Kansas58

I’m not sorry he’s out of business, but I figured God was keeping him alive to give him a chance to repent - his murderer took that opportunity away from him. If he had lived to become another Nathanson, what a witness he would have been.


1,440 posted on 06/01/2009 6:35:47 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: tuckrdout

The government gets no pass from me. But blurring the lines on murder is a dangerous slippery slope. This man did not deserve to be murdered.


1,441 posted on 06/01/2009 6:36:47 AM PDT by prairiebreeze ( Pretender-in-Chief Barack Hussein Obama....an arrogant embarrassment.)
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To: wardaddy; xzins

“Don’t be so self righteous.” ~ wardaddy

I’ll be glad to dub you as FR’s quintessential “go-to” expert any time anyone needs to know what constitutes, “self-righteousness”.

In the meantime, you may go here and leave your typical comments on the subject with Dr. Sanity, if you like:

Monday, June 01, 2009
WICKEDNESS
http://www.drsanity.blogspot.com/

PS to xzins: Click the comments section under the above-mentioned commentary and see where you have been quoted. :)


1,442 posted on 06/01/2009 6:48:37 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Conservatism is about freedom, and fighting people who want to take it away." Rush Limbaugh)
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To: SeattleBruce

There’s no question that this vigilante’s actions will have far-reaching consequences.

My reply was intended to address the limited scope of the emotional factors that could have been involved in this man’s actions.

Isn’t it easy to say what so-&-so should have done, instead of what he did? For instance, if I were a guy that had a dear friend or relative who was harmed or killed by an abortionist, I’d like to think that I could show the kind of restraint that you have advocated. However, I also know that I am only human.

Perhaps someone with “empathy”, such as Sonia Sotomayor, or the WH resident, could take a “compassionate” interest in Mr. Roeder’s case. I won’t hold my breath.


1,443 posted on 06/01/2009 6:52:25 AM PDT by HotLead61 (Death as a Free Man is much preferred to "life" as a slave)
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To: driftdiver
Whats wrong with getting to first base? At least you save some lives.

Yeah, sort of like the captain of the Titanic deciding who would get in the life boat. He was powerless to save everyone because their were not enough lifeboats. We have plenty of life boats, we just don't seem to have a captain to order the boats filled.

Big moneyed people got together this past week and decide that the world population should be no more than eight an one half billion people. I wonder who will decide who has to die to maintain that cap on the population.

1,444 posted on 06/01/2009 6:55:00 AM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: Victory Rocks
I wish I had the courage.

What political reason was this murderer killedfor?

1,445 posted on 06/01/2009 7:01:38 AM PDT by nufsed (Release the birth certificate, school and passport records.)
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To: Matchett-PI

Thanks for the ping. The good news is that the lady fully quoted the post.


1,446 posted on 06/01/2009 7:05:02 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain, Pro Deo et Patria)
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To: tuckrdout

I understand the killer of Tiller is not Jesus. I never said he was.

I was pointing out that Revelation 19:11 through 21 shows us Jesus the Judge, who uses His words to execute justice. Not many people can rectify the Servant, the One who died in love for us, with being the King of Kings who rules with an iron fist. Jesus is all of the Old Testament fulfilled-and the Old Testament is full of love of the Father for us.

Many did not see that (Same as a baby who cries when told not to touch the hot stove), and even John the Baptist asked if Jesus was the Messiah because He was not the ruler they had in mind. Though He will be when He returns.

I often thought that if Christians stopped warning pagans about the consequences of their sin, and were totally pacifist, the return of the Lord would have happened long ago because of the proliferation of evil growing to be as it was before the days of Noah. God must be so abundantly loving to have given us this second chance and here we are blowing it again.

The thousand years of Jesus’ reign will have to be a time of overflowing peace, joy and blessing, filled with trillions of babies, for God to put up with likes of us. Seriously, how many people can this world support? Why don’t we have the faith in God and man to find out? Actually, right now man is too selfish. If we shared all of our knowledge think what we could do for each other. But no matter what the government, communist, socialist, republic, democracy, man is overcome with lust for money and power.


1,447 posted on 06/01/2009 7:10:19 AM PDT by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla

We agree completely.


1,448 posted on 06/01/2009 7:11:55 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: HotLead61
Very good points.

Liberals have all kinds of “empathy” for gang-bangers, drug dealers and other criminals -—

But someone who shoots a liberal Icon like Tiller?

Well, I do not hear much, in the way of “empathy” for this shooter, coming from the Left.

1,449 posted on 06/01/2009 7:15:15 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: Avid Spectator; wardaddy

“...I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” ~Matthew 9.12-13 Read your Bible, Sir.” ~ Avid Spectator

There are those who think human beings are ‘basically’ good, but still have the capacity to do bad things once in a while. Then there are those who think human beings are basically ‘not good’, but are capable of doing good once in a while.

Those who are unable to comprehend the depth of depravity of which they, and all human beings are capable, are so spiritually immature that they have a very hard time thinking that Jesus was talking about them when he said he was only interested in helping the sick / sinners. :)

For more on that, go to the link below and scroll down to:

Thursday, May 28, 2009
“LEFTISM AIMS LOW AND ALWAYS REACHES ITS TARGET”
http://www.drsanity.blogspot.com/


1,450 posted on 06/01/2009 7:22:58 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Conservatism is about freedom, and fighting people who want to take it away." Rush Limbaugh)
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