what a joke!
Posted on 06/03/2009 8:37:13 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen
Shortly before 11 a.m. Wednesday, June 3, a male with what appeared to be a handgun was reported near the vicinity of Dod Hall dormitory. Princeton University's Department of Public of Safety and Princeton Borough and Township police are investigating.
Stay indoors until further instructions.
Check the Princeton home page at www.princeton.edu for updates. Campus community members can check their e-mail as well.
It is sad when a male who appears to have a handgun is seen as a public danger. I am a male who has a handgun and I will protect those around me.
Just got a message from my child’s school. Man with gun in custody, school still on modified lockdown. Why?
Looks like it is over...
http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S24/40/42C23/index.xml?section=topstories
EMERGENCY NOTIFICATION — ALL CLEAR
Posted June 3, 2009; 11:34 a.m.
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At 11:25 a.m. Wednesday, June 3, Princeton University’s Department of Public Safety issued an all clear, and has reported there was no gunman on campus.
Campus community members should resume normal activities.
The continuing investigation is being conducted with Princeton Borough and Township police, and the Department of Public Safety has re-opened the campus. Shortly before 11 a.m., a male with what appeared to be a handgun was reported near the vicinity of Dod Hall dormitory.
Check the Princeton home page at www.princeton.edu for updates. Campus community members can check their e-mail as well.
No gunman, huh? And still my kid’s principal was told he was in custody.
Which is what we heard about the cardboard bank robber - suspect in custody.
Interesting
Both can be true. All you need is somebody who thought they saw a gun, but didn't; police stop the guy, and find that there's nothing amiss.
Apparently the man was under the delusional that the 2nd amendment applies on college campuses.
Good point
Man with plastic toy gun. This is what happens when the current generation is raised on idiotic zero tolerance policies. I hope too many libs didn’t pee their pants on this one.
Are you asking why the school is still in lockdown?
After VA Tech, wouldn’t you want the school to complete a thorough investigation, make sure the perp was acting alone, didn’t leave any bombs or other threats, etc?
I work at a college and have two children attending colleges. That’s what the emergency text notification system is about.
I’m not quite sure what you are questioning, but I’d rather be safe than sorry.
I also don’t see the need to immediately release a school’s emergency text msg to the public while it is still an emergent situation. Just what you need, parents, busybodies and the press calling or coming when the institution is still at the point of assessing the situation and trying to make sure everyone is safe.
It would certainly raise my eyebrows and make me question why someone not in uniform is walking around with a handgun in plain sight.
Plainclothes security guards, off duty peace officers, business owners, whoever, may be carrying, but if the gun becomes visible, common sense dictates to me to be on the alert and quickly scan for exits.
As far as I’m concerned, FR IS an emergency notification system. The thread was posted minutes before the phone call, although I got the phone call first. I didn’t give the name of the school; I implied that things seemed to be under control; ie modified lockdown and suspect in custody. How is that going to encourage a rash of phone calls? The principal also said in the phone message, don’t worry, don’t come in, so parents would know.
One aspect of the emergency text notification system is that people will notify others who haven’t seen the texts yet.
I can’t speak for public institutions, but would private institutions be well within their rights to have a “check your weapon at the door” policy?
I wouldn’t feel my rights were violated on private property and even certain public places (aircraft, jails, places where alcohol is consumed and behavior is typically bad, etc.)
I didn’t mean to imply that you posted the alert.
But I disagree that FR is an “emergency notification system”. It is an open forum. Speculation and rumor always fly freely here and rightly so.
Its just that in this era of instant communication, things get out of control quickly and I think that some restraint should be used in emergent situations.
The institution’s first responsibility is student/public safety, not answering the press and the curious. This just makes it harder. IMHO.
Drudge: 4 kids rummaging in a Dumpster (departing students dump good stuff) found a green plastic gun, tucked in waistband, woman saw and called police.
What I don’t understand is why they are in custody for having a plastic gun? Is dumpster diving an offense in Nuevo Jersey?
The truth is that someone plotting a robbery or other evil will probably not have a handgun in plain sight. Someone carrying openly is not up to no good. I realize that it may make some people concerned though. I usually carry concealed, though some of my friends are big proponents of open carry. I’m sure that carrying openly will invite a lot of scrutiny and probably hassles from uneasy people. But the criminals, they have their guns in their pockets or waistbands if they have one at all.
Green plastic toy gun. Sounds like a water pistol. Pretty scary for someone who was never allowed to see a picture of a gun. Apparently not all at Princeton are getting a proper education.
what a joke!
added NJ to the topics
Therein lies a large part of the problem. We're so focued on safety that we cast aside Liberty. ("Those who exchange liberty for security shall have neither.") We've allowed the media to sow the seeds of distrust so much that we fear anyone who will do MORE than assess the situation. We have truly displaced the role that REAL MEN would fill, once upon a time. REAL MEN will HANDLE the situation. They will find the problem and RESOLVE it. They will not sit and wait for someone to do something more than assess and lock-down. And nothing in your post shows any interest in that kind of person, that kind of assistance, or that kind of resolution... and this on a proudly independence-minded conservative forum. We've come a long way, baby.
On my most recent trip to China, there were 5 kids in the apartment building courtyard, playing with some very realisitc looking toy guns. I marvelled at how they could be trusted with non-flourescent color toys, but we cannot trust our own children anymore. Thanks, TV.
People today are stupid, cowardly wimps, not all of them but a large part of them and many of the cowards are here on FR pretending to be conservatives.
IMO it’s hard to HANDLE the situation and RESOLVE it when the press vultures are broadcasting in real-time your every strategic move.
For the most part they don’t share the institution’s goal of ending the threat, and ensuring the safety and well being of those involved. They want to “scoop” the competition, get the best sound bites, have the most compelling video and all while offering real-time inane commentary.
Being caught in a robbery or threatening situation in a public place is different from being trapped in a room with one viable exit that may lead directly into danger and with no real way to see and know what is going on. Add to that the others in the room with you may be children. The standard drill to barricade the room, stay low, and try to make contact via phone & signs to give as much information as possible(what was heard/observed, how many and condition of those in the room) makes sense.
Sad to know the kids drill for that in high school. The guidelines are posted conspicuously at the college where I work.
Oh, what’s with the REAL MEN, mentioned twice. Do you not think any REAL WOMEN may be available to HANDLE and RESOLVE the situation? Do you think there are no competent women who can think on their feet and act bravely and decisively? None willing to sacrifice to save others? Frankly, I am offended.
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