Jack Cashill: Reopen the TWA Flight 800 Case

American Thinker ^ | June 07, 2009 | Jack Cashill

[Outership]

I thought the conclusion explored in the “Seconds from Disaster” flight 800 episode was accepted and confirmed by all involved. If there really are still questions about this disaster it would be fascinating to discover what was actually behind it.

I don’t believe it was a missile strike as the wreckage did not support this conclusion. I suppose it is possible that the evidence was tampered with or suppressed, though I can’t imagine why anyone would do that. What benefit would there be?

If there were shenanigans involved with the loss of this aircraft, they would almost have to be on the level of this analysis:

http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/bm-800.html

http://www.geocities.com/electrogravitics/bm-comp.html

[Star Traveler]

You said — OH MY GOSH! WHO are you? I thought all FREEPERS swallowed the government koolaid and had gone to government schools too!

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Well now... don’t get too excited... LOL... I’ll guarantee you that there’s something you’ll disagree with me about (there always is with anyone... :-) ... )

BUT, aside from some other differences I’m sure we’ll have, yes..., it does seem clear to me about TWA Flight 800 (as we can see on this thread), and the Oklahoma City bombing, from the information that Jayna Davis gives about it [ http://www.jaynadavis.com/ ].

AND..., I noticed one thing from another recent post of yours about the Kennedy assassination...

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Biggest SCAM in history is not global warming but it is a protected lie by the US Government.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBpHSyuueMU

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That was an informative video, and I had not seen that exact video, but the idea of it was something that I had read about and considered before. It’s a good video for a brief look at the essence of the whole matter (as to it being a conspiracy and not as the Warren Commission said).

I was there at the time, but was only an ignorant little kid (LOL...) and so I found out more in years later from reading about it, than anything I would ever know from being there... :-)

[Stonewall Jackson]

If you want to read an interesting novel about TWA-800, try Nelson DeMille's Nightfall.

The wife of one of my friends used to be a flight attendant for TWA and she lost a lot of friends on Flight 800. She claims that she was told by a senior official with the company that the "official story" is not the real story, but he refused to give her further details. She and a number of other flight attendants ended up resigning from TWA over their refusal to answer questions about the incident.

[lentulusgracchus]

President Bush had eight years to do so.

You raise a fair point, one that has been made in perplexity many times by Bush supporters on this website.

But it is a feature of his regime, that he never, ever raised issues of criminality in the Clinton White House or Administration, although there were many. The reason given out at the time was that Clinton was such a political actor, that given the stage he would suck all the limelight and oxygen out of the room and make the Bush Administration just another chapter in the continuing Clintonista drama called "All About Bill".

There was so much misfeasance in the Clinton years, that it would have required all of Bush's first term to pursue them all and bring them to justice, which would have been a futile exercise given that Clinton devoted most of his political capital in his second term to co-opting and buying off the mostly-black District of Columbia jury pool. That's what Clinton's buffoonish "apology for slavery" tour of Africa was all about. The Africans themselves almost died laughing; they couldn't have cared less, and in many cases their ancestors had prospered in the slave trade. But they were never the audience: the potential jurors of D.C. were.

[True Republican Patriot]

Correct! and You will rarely find them above Flt Level 36.

[Non-Sequitur]

The 747 has 5 engines. Don't forget the APU in the tail. It's a little turbine engine that powers the on board systems. You can see the tailpipe of the APU at the rear of a 747 fuselage. Most big jets have one.....

APUs are used on the ground to provide power when the four main engines are shut down. Hence the name APU - Auxiliary Power Unit.

[Senator John Blutarski]

Non-Sequitur wrote: “Would it? The 747 would have been near the upper limit of the SA16/SA18 altitude and, depending in where it was launched, overall range.”

..... The SA16/18 has a target engagement height of 16-17,000 ft depending on the variant. A target at 13,000 ft altitude, especially a huge slow moving jetliner climbing for altitude, could easily be engaged from a firing position several km off the target flight path.

“For a heavily laden 747 climbing to altitude, the center of the IR signature would be one of the four engines cranking out the heat. By rights any IR guided missile would have hit an engine or wing.”

..... Maybe, maybe not. The SA-18 has a combination IR/UV seeker and an all-angles engagement capability; it is not a tail-chaser. Also, it has multiple fuzing options [delay impact, magnetic, grazing]. Without knowing the exact location of launch vis-a-vis target flight path and the fuze setting, it is risky to assume anything too specific about the inter-action between missile and airliner.

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I have NEVER bought the story of fumes in the center fuel tank detonated by static electricity. If such a thing actually occured, the courts would have been inundated with hundreds of civil suits filed by families of the victims.

[microgood]

WHAT???? The plane would not have been at 15,000 in that location, much less below that. He would have been at maybe 30,000 at that point.

I was relying on the wikipedia article here: TWA Flight 800

[JimRed]

TWA 800- who speaks for the dead?
Published: 07-14-01?

No such file (give_legacy_article)

[JimRed]

I’m sure that the government knows that this was a terrorist attack and for some reason they decided that it would be better to keep the whole thing secret and under wraps (and for some misguided reason, I think...).

To keep mosques from being targeted by real Americans, no doubt...

[JimRed]

The French are helping NATO with combat troops in Afghanistan...

just in case NATO has to surrender!

[backhoe]

No such file (give_legacy_article)

Keep hitting refresh, or F5... those old file system files are very hard to load- sometimes taking 20 tries-- but they eventually will come up.

[gaijin]

At the time of the TWA 800 shoot-down, the theme of choice was peace & prosperity; reports of that nature would help the Clinton Admin, while shoot-down talk was bad and hurtful; those reports were unwelcome and resented.

Many or even most witnesses who detailed their FBI interviews after the shoot-down indicate that they were being TOLD what they saw, rather than asked. When showed the 302’s, many were substantially altered or fabricated. Some witnesses were told that they were considered mentally unstable.

Now we have an administration whose theme is Recovery & YouAin’tSeenNothingYet.

So I think if a US Submarine recovers those boxes before the French, they’re history —we’ll never hear about what they contained, and most likely we’ll never hear that they were recovered at all.

But we definately need to know the truth about TWA 800.

[Blueflag]

LS —

One thought to consider: A proximity-fused SAM does not leave explosive residue. It kills by spraying a cone of small cubes of metal towards its target. These frags break things, sever fuel lines, rupture tanks, break windows etc.

Now these *DO* leave telltale holes where they puncture the skin of the aircraft.

I have no data on what the skin of the aircraft looked like.

Just food for thought.

[Mamzelle]

So why don’t the terrorists take credit, if it was terrorism?

[RaceBannon]

TWA 800 wasn’t flying outbound from JFK heding east and exploded near East Morichis??

[UCANSEE2]

If Flight 447 was flying at approximately 50,000 feet there aren’t very many missiles of the normal kind that could have taken it out from what I understand.

All the 'evidence', so far, indicates that the Airbus Flight 447 went nose up in an updraft (estimated to be 100mph) , and the control surfaces (rudder, and likely a wing) were ripped off the plane.

Either that or one of Kim's NK missiles went way off course.

[UCANSEE2]

You were saying about the WMD being carted off to Syria

There have been ample reports about that.

There was even an international 'incident' where U.S. forces were shooting at an escaping convoy. This 'convoy' had a Russian diplomat (yes, carrying a diplomatic 'case' just like in the movies) riding in one of the lead vehicles.

After a quick cell phone call, the Leader of Russia demanded the U.S. back off, according to international treaty and diplomatic laws, and we did.

We don't 'know' what those convoys carried, and they weren't the only transportation method used. Air ambulances were commandeered by the RG and Russian officers, and again, were protected from search by diplomatic and treaty laws.

[UCANSEE2]

Many missiles above the MANPADS class are designed to do much of their disassembly work through fragmentation, such as the expanding-rod warheads common in U.S. Navy SAM's and AAM's.

What if they are a dummy missile, being used to test anti-missile missiles?

[lentulusgracchus]

What if they are a dummy missile, being used to test anti-missile missiles?

Then they wouldn't have had a terminal-homing guidance system, if it was a target vehicle.

If it was a real system test, it would have been conducted in a different location -- Kennedy Spaceflight Center in Florida, or Vandenburg AFB in California, or out in the Pacific, someplace like that, certainly not in close proximity to one of the most heavily-traveled air and shipping lanes in the world.

And then, if it were a live test of any kind, there would have been NOTAM's issued for aviators and mariners, warning them of the impending activity and giving all parties due advance notice of hardlined exercise areas to avoid.