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Two radical Muslims identified on crashed Air France flight-- planned to crash into Paris?
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Posted on 06/10/2009 3:11:09 PM PDT by cycle of discernment

Two radical Muslims identified on crashed Air France flight

DEBKAfile Special Repor

June 10, 2009, 9:40 PM (GMT+02:00)

The day after DEBKAfile's counter-terror sources' revelation of Tuesday, June 9, that French security was going through the doomed Air France flight's passenger list for suspected terror links, the Paris weekly L'Express reported a link had been found.

French security DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure) agents dispatched to Brazil identified two names on the passenger list which also appear also on highly-classified documents listing radical Muslims considered a threat to France. This link to the air tragedy was described as "highly significant."

The French agents also examined the security measures employed at Rio de Janeiro international port from which Air France A300 took off May 31 with 228 passengers and crew, never to arrive at its destination at Charles de Gaulle, Paris.

DEBKAfile's counter-terror sources report that in the last few months Paris has received several threats of an impending al Qaeda mega-attack against a French city on the lines of the hijacked airliners which struck New York and Washington on September 11, 2001. The jihadis were bent on punishing president Nicolas Sarkozy for posting fresh French troops to Afghanistan.

Should further investigations connect the two Muslim passengers to this conspiracy, it would go far to indicate that the Air France flight was destined to crash over Paris - except that the plan misfired and the plane came down sooner than planned over the Atlantic.

According to our sources, the French flight crews warned of the plot might have succeeded into pre-empting it by an extraordinary act of bravery to crash the plane in the ocean before it reached France.

Alternatively, the two purported terrorists may have been on a suicide operation like the Egyptian Airline pilot who brought his Boeing 767 into the Atlantic off the US coast on March 31, 1999.


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: airfrance; counterterrorism; flight447; globaljihad

1 posted on 06/10/2009 3:11:09 PM PDT by cycle of discernment
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To: cycle of discernment

Hmmmm....no. Can’t be.

Terrorism was ruled out very early on in the investigation.

/s


2 posted on 06/10/2009 3:13:17 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: cycle of discernment

Maybe a struggle on board ala the fourth 9/11 plane?


3 posted on 06/10/2009 3:13:52 PM PDT by SolidWood (Palin: "We do not want to become slaves of Washington.")
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To: cycle of discernment

In a week they’ll discover that the two “radical Muslims” were in fact not “radical” and just happened to have the same names.


4 posted on 06/10/2009 3:13:54 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: cycle of discernment
Two radical Muslims identified on crashed Air France flight-- planned to crash into Paris?

Yeah. But they got tired, so they blew the plane up before they got a third of the way there.

ML/NJ

5 posted on 06/10/2009 3:13:58 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: BenLurkin

Peaceful People, the muslims.


6 posted on 06/10/2009 3:14:14 PM PDT by Loud Mime (I've lost count: how many jobs has the bailout saved again?)
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To: BenLurkin

My bet is static electricity in the CFT.


7 posted on 06/10/2009 3:15:41 PM PDT by TBall
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To: cycle of discernment

mmm, I would be more suspicious if there were any right wing talk show hosts on board.


8 posted on 06/10/2009 3:16:33 PM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: cycle of discernment

Debka granted, but he’s by no mweans the only source...

http://exposingtheleft.blogspot.com/2009/06/crash-probe-passengers-on-air-france.html


9 posted on 06/10/2009 3:16:40 PM PDT by traderrob6
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To: SolidWood
Maybe a struggle on board ala the fourth 9/11 plane?

Terror pilots not experienced enough to deal with the severe weather or complex aircraft systems?

10 posted on 06/10/2009 3:18:11 PM PDT by Species8472
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To: cycle of discernment

i´m sorry to break it but only because they have been muslim does not nesessary mean that they have been terorrist. there are muslims out there (most of them) who oppose terrorism, many don´t want terrorism but they don´t tell this “strong” enough and that´s why the western world is aginst muslims in generall. but only because 2 muslims have been on this flight doesn´t make them terrorist.


11 posted on 06/10/2009 3:18:30 PM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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To: SolidWood
Maybe a military intervention?

As outlandish as it may seem, this was raised as a serious possibility in the TWA Flight 800 crash back in 1996 -- when eyewitnesses reported seeing something like a surface-to-air missile strike the aircraft, the U.S. military later acknowledged that it had ships in the area conducting exercises, and the FBI and NTSB created a silly animated video of the crash that every pilot recognized as complete B.S.

The initial reaction to the surface-to-air missile scenario involved questions about possible terrorism. Then a plausible scenario involving an accidental shoot-down by the U.S. Navy was considered.

On the evening of 9/11 I wondered if Flight 800 hadn't been shot down deliberately to head off an imminent 9/11-style attack.

12 posted on 06/10/2009 3:20:11 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: cycle of discernment

Sad Dam HUSSEIN OBOZO says Muzzies are Peaceful and NEVER participate in TERRORIST ACTIONS! How can anyone believe that two MUSLIM PILGRIMS may have been dreaming of entering their Heaven with 72 Virgin Helen Thomas’s each by attacking a French City? This sounds too Bizarre! Nipalitano tells Us there is No Terrorists on the face of the Earth:-) just man-made Disaster Specialists!!


13 posted on 06/10/2009 3:23:20 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Last Great President George W. Bush)
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To: Species8472

Seems unlikely. If you recall, on 9/11, the terrorists purposefully used cross-country flights to attack targets relatively close to the airports where the flights took off. This was so that the planes would be full of fuel and thus more destructive upon impact. On the other hand, in this case, by the time the plane got to Europe, it would have been relatively low on fuel.

It just doesn’t make sense that terrorists would take over a transatlantic flight so early into the flight. A bomb is certainly a possibility, but hijacking seems unlikely.


14 posted on 06/10/2009 3:25:32 PM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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To: Jonny foreigner

Facts are facts. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but almost all terrorists are Muslims.


15 posted on 06/10/2009 3:28:09 PM PDT by petercooper (GOP: Big Tent Party??? Not if you are a CONSERVATIVE.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative

I don’t know squat about planes, but my guess would be a bomb or a structural issue, it is airbus after all.


16 posted on 06/10/2009 3:28:54 PM PDT by DonaldC
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To: Jonny foreigner

“identified two names on the passenger list which also appear also on highly-classified documents listing radical Muslims considered a threat to France.”

If you read the above you will see they have not just pulled out two random Muslim passengers’ names, but known radical Muslims considered a threat to France.


17 posted on 06/10/2009 3:29:32 PM PDT by Marie2 (The second mouse gets the cheese.)
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To: TBall

An act of God?


18 posted on 06/10/2009 3:30:32 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Jonny foreigner
but only because 2 muslims have been on this flight doesn´t make them terrorist.

French security DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure) agents dispatched to Brazil identified two names on the passenger list which also appear also on highly-classified documents listing radical Muslims considered a threat to France.

Read the article. It wasn't just because they are muslims.

19 posted on 06/10/2009 3:32:05 PM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: Alberta's Child

So Drmeday people will recognize that Dr. Cashill, James Sanders, Ray Lahr among many others proved that TWA 800 was a Terrorist Attack as Saddam Hussein and Ramsey Yousef promised that day and the day before and that your explanation of the culmination is well within reason. Missiles were fired that night, there is no question of that! Agaain the website www.TWA800.com has reams of evidence that one can read and study at one’s own pace.
Dr Cashill points out in his very latest article why reopening the Case is so critical!


20 posted on 06/10/2009 3:35:32 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (GOD BLESS AMERICA and Our Last Great President George W. Bush)
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To: brytlea

Anything is possible.


21 posted on 06/10/2009 3:36:38 PM PDT by TBall
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To: All

It is entirely possible the pilots of the French plane were already dead with their throats cut, and terrorists taking over lost the plane. The first thing they do, as we have all leared, is take over the flight deck. This could explain NO REPORT or call of any kind from the A130’s pilots.


22 posted on 06/10/2009 3:36:55 PM PDT by cousair
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To: All

It is entirely possible the pilots of the French plane were already dead with their throats cut, and terrorists taking over lost the plane. The first thing they do, as we have all leared, is take over the flight deck. This could explain NO REPORT or call of any kind from the A130’s pilots.


23 posted on 06/10/2009 3:37:40 PM PDT by cousair
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To: Jonny foreigner
So...the good Muslims of the world are going to keep quiet and make me deal with the Muslim terrorists. Fine...they'll have to suffer with my way of dealing with it. And that is, THEY'RE ALL GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT!!
24 posted on 06/10/2009 3:38:04 PM PDT by blam
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To: True Republican Patriot

Lots of interesting speculation out there, but I think the odds that TWA Flight 800 was a terrorist attack using a surface-to-air missile are extremely remote.


25 posted on 06/10/2009 3:43:43 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Conscience of a Conservative
It just doesn’t make sense that terrorists would take over a transatlantic flight so early into the flight. A bomb is certainly a possibility, but hijacking seems unlikely.

Unless the target wasn't in France at all.

26 posted on 06/10/2009 3:45:04 PM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: cycle of discernment

How does one say “Let’s Roll” in French?


27 posted on 06/10/2009 3:45:48 PM PDT by gridlock (L'Etat, c'est Barack...)
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To: cycle of discernment

How about the idea found on this forum several years ago?
2 flights to every destination
flight 1 no profiling
flight 2 profiling of anyone from middle-eastern countries sponsors of terrorism, or belonging to a cult that promotes violent actions against Christians and Jews.

all the jihadis and their lovers the liberals go on flight 1.
all the normal people on flight 2.

problem solved


28 posted on 06/10/2009 3:46:13 PM PDT by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (liberalism is truly evil. and liberals have no sense of humor either.)
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To: gridlock

Sacre Bleu?


29 posted on 06/10/2009 3:53:12 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: cycle of discernment

Now’s a fine time to be going over a watch list.—of course 0 will get rid of any watch lists that have muslim terrorists on it and only concern himself with pro life Christians and, of course, the feared and dreaded “teabaggers”.


30 posted on 06/10/2009 3:54:48 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: cycle of discernment

First the Syrian musicians and now the Moroccan veterinarians?

Three Moroccan nationals were identified among the plane’s passengers namely two veterinary surgeons, Fouad Haddour and Rajae Tazi Moukha, and a veterinary technician, Ahmed Faouzi.


31 posted on 06/10/2009 3:57:07 PM PDT by jimbo123
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To: Jonny foreigner

You need to reread the article about the two Muslims that are being discussed. Funny how people that are new sign-ups recently tend not to read the articles before trying to guide the discussion where they want it to go and away from facts.


32 posted on 06/10/2009 3:57:12 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (Mary Fallin for OK Governor/Coburn for Senate 2010 ! Mark Rubio for FL Senate 2010!)
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To: cycle of discernment

This is horrible. Chilling.


33 posted on 06/10/2009 4:14:45 PM PDT by Reagan69
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To: Jonny foreigner
says you...
34 posted on 06/10/2009 4:21:33 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - Obama is basically Jim Jones with a teleprompter)
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To: cycle of discernment; BenLurkin

This is preposterous. Not the possibility that there might have been terrorists aboard the flight. But it’s beyond outlandish to suggest that one could jump from that information, to the idea that the plan was to crash the plane into Paris, and that somehow the flight crew got wind of this and crashed the plane into the middle of the ocean instead, at a point when they still had HOURS to try to alert authorities and find a better solution. And then they didn’t even manage to send out a brief message — “had to ditch, terrorists on board” — even though they had still had enough control of the cockpit to deliberately drop the plane into the ocean.


35 posted on 06/10/2009 5:00:26 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Alberta's Child

Unlikely, but certainly more plausible than the outlandish scenario described in the Debka piece.


36 posted on 06/10/2009 5:02:31 PM PDT by GovernmentShrinker
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To: coconutt2000
"radical Muslims"

Are there any other kind?

37 posted on 06/10/2009 5:04:51 PM PDT by Czar ((Still Fed Up to the Teeth with Washington))
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To: PhiKapMom

LOL


38 posted on 06/10/2009 5:54:13 PM PDT by brytlea (Jesus loves me, this I know.)
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To: Jonny foreigner
I've heard the oft-repeated maxim that 95% of Muslims are peace loving, gentle people who mean the rest of the world no harm. But, if the estimate of 1 billion Muslims in the world is somewhat correct, the 5% of those Muslims who are radical comes out to be around 50 MILLION people.

50,000,000 radical Muslims is a pretty significant number of people trying to wreak havoc in the world.

39 posted on 06/10/2009 6:09:55 PM PDT by RightField (A fine is a tax for doing wrong. A tax is a fine for doing well.)
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To: Jonny foreigner

“there are muslims out there (most of them) who oppose terrorism, “

SOURCE? PROOF? Any reports / photos of MILLIONS of muslims marching to DAMN THE JIHADIS TO HELL?

How about HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS muslims marching?

How about showing us ONE THOUSAND MUSLIMS marching ANYWHERE, DAMNING TO HELL ANY MUSLIM WHO PREACHES JIHAD AGAINST CHRISTIANS, JEWS, HINDUS AND BUDDISTS?


40 posted on 06/10/2009 7:32:42 PM PDT by Yehuda (Land of the free, THANKS TO THE BRAVE!)
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41 posted on 06/10/2009 7:45:50 PM PDT by fanfan (Why did they bury Barry's past?)
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To: cycle of discernment

why would they be on a plane when they could simply bribe a poor local luggage worker to place a bomb on the flights?

Why would they attack the cockpit in the middle of a thunderstorm when even walking up the aisle is dangerous, and most normal folks are busy barfing into airsickness bags?

Sorry, in this I suspect it’s the pito tube...


42 posted on 06/10/2009 9:02:41 PM PDT by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: TigersEye

French security DGSE (Direction Générale de la Sécurité Extérieure) agents dispatched to Brazil identified two names on the passenger list which also appear also on highly-classified documents listing radical Muslims considered a threat to France.

Read the article. It wasn’t just because they are muslims.


ups. point taken. i admit i didn´t read the article carefull enought. i guess i had one or two beers too much yesterday when i was posting this ;-)
greetings


43 posted on 06/10/2009 11:47:42 PM PDT by Jonny foreigner
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