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Sub collides with sonar array towed by U.S. Navy ship (Chinese sub hits USS John McCain)
CNN ^ | 6/12/2009 | Barbara Starr

Posted on 06/12/2009 5:24:36 PM PDT by james500

In what a U.S. military official calls an "inadvertent encounter," a Chinese submarine hit an underwater sonar array being towed by the destroyer USS John McCain on Thursday.

The array was damaged, but the sub and the ship did not collide, the official said. A sonar array is a radar towed behind a ship that listens and locates underwater sounds.

The incident occurred near Subic Bay off the coast of the Philippines.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: chicoms; china; johnmccain; submarine; towline; usnavy; ussjohnmccain
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To: james500
That's one way to find the sub.

Ping...ping...ping...BANG!!! "Contact, directly behind us, Captain!!"

41 posted on 06/12/2009 8:36:21 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Earthdweller
What do they do to the military in China when they mess up real bad anyway?

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42 posted on 06/12/2009 8:51:30 PM PDT by SeminoleSoldier
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To: ColdWater

Can a “tail” go active? I honestly don’t remember. I thought the active pulses came from the ship-mounted sonar, but I could be wrong on that. I was never really a sonar guy except for one small project.


43 posted on 06/12/2009 8:55:56 PM PDT by CodeMasterPhilzar (I'll keep my money, my guns, and my freedom. You can keep the "change.")
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To: CodeMasterPhilzar
Radar is electromagnetic - UHF and above.

Actually, radar works well into the MF range, depending on the size of the target, but you are correct that SONAR is not RADAR.

/johnny

44 posted on 06/12/2009 8:58:21 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (God Bless us all, each, and every one.)
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To: OBXWanderer

If they name anything after Sedona John it will be a crashed airplane, the only thing he does well.


45 posted on 06/12/2009 9:03:03 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: Kirkwood
The funny thing is that when they hit, the noise went ‘WANNNGGGG!!!’ and 12 guys in the sub asked “Did someone call me?”

That's just wong.

46 posted on 06/12/2009 9:04:18 PM PDT by Disambiguator
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To: Disambiguator

wong way wang, wasn’t he a fighter pilot that had to ditch?


47 posted on 06/12/2009 9:10:06 PM PDT by Sundog (The government is spending two dollars for every one taken in. Why isn't that illegal?)
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To: CodeMasterPhilzar
Can a “tail” go active? I honestly don’t remember. I thought the active pulses came from the ship-mounted sonar, but I could be wrong on that. I was never really a sonar guy except for one small project.

An active/passive array consists of two parts. One active trailing down below the ship and the tail trailing out behind several hundred yards. The idea is to get the active transponders down under the surface layer for better detection.

48 posted on 06/12/2009 9:12:23 PM PDT by ColdWater
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To: SunkenCiv
That was the funniest post yet. A chicom fire drill.
49 posted on 06/12/2009 9:21:44 PM PDT by ESABATM
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To: james500

“Cap’n! Sir, we got a nibble!!”


50 posted on 06/12/2009 9:39:49 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: james500

Chinese on sub: “I think we’re on to something here. Oh wait, I think we are being towed!”


51 posted on 06/12/2009 9:48:39 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Quick justice for the senseless killing of Marine Lance Cpl. Robert Crutchfield.)
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To: CaptRon

Mongolian BBQ, that is. Tasty!


52 posted on 06/12/2009 10:09:23 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: CodeMasterPhilzar

RADAR and SONAR are just acronyms for electromagnetic waves generated in different mediums, namely above or below surface. Maybe the reporter interviewed a snipe. Towed arrays can be used, as already mentioned,in either passive or active mode. My take is that the active mode (ECCM) worked too well for the Chicom boat driver/sonar man/ and the officer in the conning tower.Just gotta miss the professionalism of the old Soviet fleet. They would have responded by getting a Sovremenny to light you up with a two bin SS-N-22.


53 posted on 06/12/2009 10:40:26 PM PDT by plea5th
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To: james500
Next month at the bar.
Drunk civi " SO I ent out and caught a 1,000 pound swordfish."
Captain, "That's nothing. I hooked a 2,000 Ton fish, but had to throw it back."
54 posted on 06/13/2009 12:55:25 AM PDT by rmlew ( The SAVE and GIVE acts are institutioning Corvee. Where's the outtrage!)
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To: james500

Sub driving while Asian?


55 posted on 06/13/2009 1:10:03 AM PDT by right way right (Do not mistake Religion for God.)
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To: james500
They must Apologize! They must kow tow!!

China demands US apology for spy plane collision


56 posted on 06/13/2009 3:32:52 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Malsua

I suspect they dragged the array across the sub. Not good for the Chinese that we could actually hit them with a towed array. It wasn’t an accident that the array was being towed in proximity close enough to hit the sub.

It probably means the sub was noisy enough that we clearly knew they were there.

The odds that you would hit a sub with a towed array by accident are astronomical.


57 posted on 06/13/2009 4:30:02 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: American in Israel

I think you have it backwards. It is not that the acoustics of the sub are good, it is likely they are bad.


58 posted on 06/13/2009 4:31:20 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: BP2

The Chinese economy would fall apart without exports to the U.S.


59 posted on 06/13/2009 5:49:10 AM PDT by pleikumud
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To: hoosier hick

Didn’t the Soviets hook an array back in the 1980s? I remember something about it getting caught on the conning tower, they tried to run, but then it fouled the Soviet props and they had to (fortunately) cut it loose.


60 posted on 06/13/2009 5:58:45 AM PDT by sig226 (Real power is not the ability to destroy an enemy. It is the willingness to do it.)
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