"You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the New West.
You know - morons."
Posted on 06/16/2009 11:28:05 AM PDT by EveningStar
While celebrations are on-going this year to mark Charles Darwin's bicentenary, there's at least one place that won't be toasting his memory - a creationist museum in Kentucky, US.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...
Evolution and origins are separate studies. Evolution neither persupposes nor requires atheism, as many people here claim. I have no problem at all with the notion that God’s plan is more complex than that laid out in the Old Testament, and that he’s given us the brains to figure it out.
A typical liberal point of view. Always projecting the flaws of their own heart onto others.
The people who would thank God every day if they did not already have another god (themselves) are the far left leaders of the Democrat party. The Big Government worshippers are the ones who love the Big Government Public Schools, run top down from the far left NEA.
The worst of the far left love Darwin and hate the Bible.
Depends on your impression of “smart”.
“Thinking themselves wise, they became fools.” Romans 1.
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Exactly! I was trying to point out the foolishness of calling all creationists “simpleminded.”
From Genesis:
20And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.
21And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
I understand your post, but much of the bible is allegorical. In Kings, for example, we’re told that pi=3; it doesn’t.
I went because the line to see the world’s largest ball of twine was too long.
God didn’t say he created flying saucers either, but you seem to have no problem believing in them.
Is that the one with “Jesus” riding a dinosaur?
Who goes there? People interested in the truth of the Word of God, families who want their children to know that God alone was responsible for creating the heavens and earth, believers who seek answers to questions they may have about creation. There is much to see, hear, experience, and learn there, and it is a great place for kids as well.
Did you get that from measurements from the inside or outside of the rim? Maybe you should read it a little better before drawing your conclusions.
Ping!
Creationists, I suspect.
"You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the New West.
You know - morons."
Well, there is a difference in what you said and what I said, in terms of creation and evolution.
God says He didn’t create evolution — by way of saying — what He did do — and not from the lack of saying anything about it. He basically says what He did do... :-)
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As far as the flying saucer issue, no..., I’ve never said that I believe in them, have ever seen one of them, or think that they are, or represent, some other extra-terrestrial civilization(s). Not at all. I don’t think so.
BUT, what I do think is that there are a lot of people seeing something. That part I do believe, because there are a lot of reports saying that they see something here and there.
As to what it is that they are seeing and what those various incidents are, I simply don’t think they are what is being presented, by some, as “flying saucers” from visiting extra-terrestrial civilizations. I think a lot of people are deceived into thinking they are something different than what they actually are. I think that many people probably wish they were flying saucers from other extra-terrestrial civilizations.
Some of it, probably is secret operations and systems from the government and the public has been “played” into thinking that it’s flying saucers... LOL...
And for the other reports that aren’t of that nature, then it’s deception...
That’s what I think... :-)
Kings doesn’t tell us, but it doesn’t matter. The consistent measurements, we are told, give us a ratio of 3. One can’t escape that. The bible is wrong on the value of pi.
You said — Who goes there? People interested in the truth of the Word of God, families who want their children to know that God alone was responsible for creating the heavens and earth, believers who seek answers to questions they may have about creation. There is much to see, hear, experience, and learn there, and it is a great place for kids as well.
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There are a lot of “nattering nabobs of negativity” when it comes to taking God at His Word and what He says He did... they simply don’t want to believe God...
But, for those who do take God at His Word — it’s good to have that kind of place to see things like that in a museum. I hear it’s a very good museum. I have yet to go there myself. I’m hoping to, sometime in the future.
Here’s an article from the outfit that built the museum...
Why Recent Creation?
by Wayne Spencer
June 16, 2009
Recent creation refers to the biblical view of creation and earth history known as young-age creationism. The recent creation point of view accepts the historicity, authority, and inerrancy of the Bible. Recent creation also accepts the historical narratives of the Bible as describing real historical events and real people.
Many Christians have little interest in the controversy about the age of the earth. Some believers will say, “What matters to me is the Rock of Ages, not the ages of rocks.” This innocent sounding statement inadvertently opens the door to undermining the authority of Scripture. This statement about the “Rock of Ages” sounds reasonable in a sense because Christians would agree that the person and work of Jesus Christ is central in the Christian life. But accepting the scriptural time scale is an important part of the foundation of the Christian worldview—and the gospel.
Age and a Biblical Worldview
Recent creation is the view that God not only created the world, but He did so recently—approximately 6,000 years for the age of the Earth and the universe, which is based on the chronology given in the Bible. This runs counter to the billions of years claimed by secular scientists and those who accept their teachings. Genesis 1 describes how God created everything in the universe in six ordinary days. Thus, the Earth and universe did not require long processes to come to be.
Genesis 5 and 11 list genealogical data documenting the father-son line from Adam to Abraham. This chronological information, combined with other historical information in the Bible, can be used to estimate the age of the Earth. James Ussher, well known for his scholarly work dating creation and the Flood, arrived at a date for creation in 4004 BC. Other Bible scholars over the years have made determinations similar to Ussher’s as well. Taking Scripture at face value clearly points to a young age, even if there is no specific verse in the Bible that explicitly tells the age of the Earth.
There are many difficulties with interpreting the Bible in a way that allows for an old Earth and universe. Scripture emphasizes in Exodus 20:11 and other passages that God created all things in the Earth and the universe in a week by His word. It is simply impossible to fit “deep time” into the Bible without raising something else up to have more authority than the God’s Word.
Indeed many scholars today do not believe that the Bible is historically accurate prior to the time of King David in ancient Israel, despite archeological evidence that confirms biblical information from the times of Abraham, Joseph, and the conquest of Canaan.1
Some Bible teachers do not believe that the entire Old Testament is historically accurate. The dates of various events in the Old Testament are often questioned by non-Christian scholars, and this way of thinking often creeps into the thinking of seminary professors and Christian pastors. Aside from the historical and chronological information in the Bible implying a young age, there is a philosophical conflict between Christianity and old-age beliefs. In the old-age view, the Creator is pushed far back in space and time—if he has any place at all. Contrast this with the view that the Bible puts the origin of the earth and the universe at the beginning of recorded history.
Why would an omnipotent and good God use millions of years of a violent, wasteful, inefficient process like evolution to create living things? God’s Word teaches that most things were spoken into existence immediately. The God of the Bible would not use a long process of death and struggle to create. The violence and struggle in nature is not normal from God’s perspective (it was introduced after the Fall of man) and is something God will eventually do away with in the future.
The Nature of Truth
God’s Word speaks to us on historical events just as authoritatively as it speaks to us on how we should behave and think about God. Thus, a problem arises if we first allow arguments saying the world is old and then try to make the Word of God fit.
Each of us must choose which we will vest with ultimate authority: God’s Word or incomplete human knowledge. Many will argue that science and religion are different realms that do not relate to each other. But this way of dividing or compartmentalizing truth contradicts Scripture. There is one God who created all of reality, and His Word is equally authoritative in all that it reveals to us. If we treat evolutionary ideas as authoritative about the history of the world, this leads us to a distorted view of truth and a distorted view of God’s Word.
The Bible gives us objective truth about the past and about the world. The subjective experience of every Christian is based on objective facts of history that Scripture records. Science and history confirm what Scripture says. From a scientific perspective, Scripture gives only an outline of historical events. Science can help add details to the outline, but not if the basic outline is thrown out.
The significance of the Genesis Flood account to geology is a good example. Genesis 6–8 gives an outline of the major events of the Flood as Noah experienced the event, but it does not explain all the physical or geological processes that were taking place. Uniformitarian geology rejects the entire concept of a worldwide Flood. This leads to incorrect answers, as geologists try to explain how the earth came to be the way it is today without accepting the true history of the world. However, creationist geologists have made great progress in explaining the earth’s rocks and fossils because they start with the assumption that the biblical account is true history.
When scientists say that events and processes happened in a different time scale than the Bible records, some deal with this by putting scientific arguments and biblical information in different categories. We categorize because we are taught in categories while being educated. Subjects are often not integrated in traditional education. In the minds of young people in school, science, because it is considered authoritative about the real world, is what is trusted about history and about nature. Thus, science will be treated as objectively true, while biblical concepts become thought of as subjectively true. When biblical concepts are treated as subjective, they can be easily dismissed as unimportant. Good education from a Christian perspective prevents this “disconnect.”
If the Bible is not true to the facts about the real world, there is no reason for us to trust it to explain our day-to-day human experience. Atheists often realize that many Christians contradict their own beliefs by questioning teachings in the Bible such as Genesis. Some use this to attack the Christian faith. If Christians doubt what at first appears to be insignificant details of Scripture, then others, and even Christians, may begin to look at the whole Bible differently, eventually doubting the central tenets of the Christian faith, namely the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Thus the historicity of Scripture and its accuracy regarding time and events are quite important.
The Limitations of Experimental Science
We benefit a great deal from experimental science, i.e., systematic scientific methods that are used to come to conclusions in matters like the design of automobiles or computers and in modern medicine. But what many people trained in the sciences do not realize is that the study of origins is very different from experimental science. You simply cannot do experiments in the past. Even if you set up an experiment today to simulate something that happened in the past, there is no way of knowing that what happens in the experiment accurately represents what happened in the past. This is true regardless of how careful your observations (made in the present) are.
Origins issues represent one-time unrepeatable events, and, so, normal scientific methods from experimental science just do not apply. This does not mean that scientists cannot or should not deal with origins. It means the process is different and scientists cannot speak as authoritatively about events of the past—unless they base their statements on the testimony of a reliable eyewitness. Many improvable assumptions have to be made in developing theories about the events of the past.
There is often deep disagreement between evolutionists and creationists, but the disagreement is rarely over actual facts or experimental science, but rather over the conclusions of origins science. Young-age creationists believe that there is a written source (the Bible) recording events of the past from the Creator Himself, who was obviously there. They use that to shape their conclusions from origins science research. Evolutionists use a different starting point—one that arbitrarily doesn’t allow supernatural revelation or interaction—to shape their origins science.
Age and the New Testament
Jesus affirms the historicity of Genesis when commenting on divorce. He said that “at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female’” (Mark 10:6). He quoted the teachings of Genesis 1, showing that He accepted that Adam and Eve were around “from the beginning”—not millions of years after the beginning.
Evolutionary science would say that human males and females didn’t exist until billions of years after the beginning. This would contradict Jesus because He said God made them male and female from the beginning.
This is just one example of how Scripture refers to creation as complete in the beginning; there was no long process of development of living things. This is emphasized in a number of places—such as in Psalm 33:6, 9: “By the word of the Lord were the heavens made . . . . He spoke and it came to be.” These statements imply immediate action, not that things finally came about millions or billions of years later.
Good science does not conflict with Scripture; scientists biased against the God of the Bible do—those who refuse to accept their Creator or who do not regard His Word as it is written. We cannot, as Christians, give in to the pressure to accept an old age for the world. Because it is the written revelation of One who cannot lie, the biblical history is sound and is confirmed by strong scientific evidence—just as we would expect.
That said, we should exercise patience as we deal with others around us who take an old-age viewpoint. There is a need to make people aware of the evidence that confirms a young earth and that the Bible can be trusted wholly—but it must be done with grace and prayer.
Footnotes
1. Bryant G.Wood, “Discovery of the Sin Cities of Sodom and Gomorrah,” The Bible and Spade, Summer 1999, 12:2; Bryant G. Wood, “The Sons of Jacob: New Evidence for the Presence of the Israelites in Egypt,” The Bible and Spade Spring/Summer 1997, 10:2–3, pp. 53–65; Bryant G. Wood, “Did the Israelites Conquer Jericho?” Biblical Archaeology Review, Vol. 16, No. 2 (March/April 1990): pp. 44–58; Bryant G. Wood, “The Walls of Jericho,” The Bible and Spade, Spring 1999, 12:2 Back
2. Among some, there is a misconception that there is no scientific evidence supporting the biblical view of the history and age of the world, but in reality, there is much evidence that confirms that the earth is less than 10,000 years old.
from http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2009/06/16/why-recent-creation
My answer addressed the Ussherites who tend to do so -- and to accept the hokum presented there in support of Ussher's misinterpretation of the truths in Genesis.
ROTFLMAO
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/444/why-are-there-seven-days-in-a-week
How are the months named?
The Bible is about 95.5% accurate on the value of pi. Not at all a problem if you take God at his word that HE teaches using parable. In the words of one of the worlds great thinkers, the meaning of the Bible is to “tell you how to go to Heaven, not how the heavens go”.
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