Open Letter to Freepers: The U.S. As You've Known It Is Already Dead

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[quesney]

While reading the following news story:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/motoringAutoNews/idUKTRE5406CF20090501

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I was reminded two very important quotes from John Adams about the American Revolution:

* As to the history of the revolution, my ideas may be peculiar, perhaps singular. What do we mean by the Revolution? The war? That was no part of the revolution; it was only an effect and consequence of it. The revolution was in the minds of the people, and this was effected from 1760 - 1775, in the course of fifteen years, before a drop of blood was shed at Lexington. o Letter to Thomas Jefferson (1815-08-24), The Works of John Adams

What do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American war? The Revolution was effected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations... This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. * Letter to H. Niles (1818-02-13)

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In other words, years before the American Revolution, there had been a revolution in people's minds about the way things were and the way things should be.

Forget the disputes over just how real are Obama's high poll numbers. This is beyond Obama, or even his current followers.

Whether we realize it or not, the US went through another mental revolution of thought over the past few decades -- maybe beginning as far back as the anti-war protests of the 1960s, maybe to Roosevelt's New Deal, maybe to Lincoln forcing a more centralized Union...whatever.

This revolution of thought has slowly eroded the entire mental foundation of the country's founding principles.

The U.S., as it was and as many of us here still think of it, is already gone. Dead. A number of us have not fully caught up to this emerging reality.

Obama, and Bush before him, are only making that obvious. Steele, Arlen Spectre, the feckless GOP, all the rest -- it's all part of bigger picture already drawn and entrenched, maybe even before many of us were born.

Many of us are holding onto a mental artifact that is gone or never existed in the minds of our "fellow Americans." That remains true no matter what happens to Obama, long after he's gone.

Does that mean we give up? No. But that if you're making a personal decision not to give up, you have to start thinking more seriously about follow-up to those Tea Parties and perhaps to secession.

The U.S. is, beyond everything else, an idea. When our "fellow Americans" no longer share the basic elements of that idea -- of even basic standards of mutual respect, logic, reason, civil discourse, respect for others as equals -- our "fellow Americans" are no longer our "fellow Americans."

Plan accordingly.

[ßuddaßudd]

wow is all I can say.

[antisocial]

“When the time comes, I will do the best that I can.”

I will also make a good account of myself!

[kcar]

I am hopeful that the time for revolution can be deferred a couple years until the US government either defaults on its debts or hyper-inflates, destroying the dollar and the economy. When that happens we can possibly make Obama a one-term loser and discredit the Keynesians once and for all (again). No one should discount the effect that a depression could have on reawakening America.

But for that to happen we would need genuine conservative leaders to step up and for the Republican party to either go away or be cleansed of RINOs.

The American Revolution had real leaders, solid ideology, and active press and pulpit power. I am buying the book Unintended Consequences to try to grasp the viability of the idea of a leaderless revolution. But as I see it now without a solid opposition party and real leaders, my inclination would be to put my family's fortunes first and survive the coming economic turmoil.

[Neoliberalnot]

This is clearly a thought being considered in many circles and there may be valid reasons for such to come to fruition. Several german generals attempted such against their own Hussein, and sadly, they failed.

[BattleHymn]

I remember listening to Levin a few days back, and the point that the majority of individuals at the time of the revolution, were not in favor of a revolution. I keep that in mind always, too.

[mojitojoe]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security..................

[EdReform]

And I'll join you both!

In addition to the thirty plus Tennesseans who volunteered, fought and died at the Alamo and those who fought for our country, you had another fine group of patriots we need to remember and learn from: The Battle of Athens, TN (August 2, 1946).

[Deo volente]

“You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the rich out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply the wealth by dividing it.”

Dr. Adrian Rogers (1931-2005)

[mojitojoe]

There is a very real possibility that conservatism may become extinct for a generation or two and that the revolution may take place decades or centuries from now.
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Why do you assume that there are less conservatives and that they are the minority. Maybe until now, there voices have just been silent.

[mojitojoe]

I’d like to see the military rise up against the government and I’d be more then willing to support them like I do now. We took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States against enemies both foreign and domestic.

The enemy is now domestic and it is the government. The executive and legislative branches of government are in direct violation of the Constitution.
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Add the Judicial branch to that as well.

[leftyontheright]

It’s all just sunshine and lollypops this weekend.

[mojitojoe]

#17 Excellent but know what? I think that is that is already underway. It’s just silent. When millions begin to do it and talk about it, as you said, it will bring runaway government to it’s knees. They need us to work and send our money to them so we can fund their Communist takeover.

[mojitojoe]

What realistically would the military do? Would they obey The One since he is the president? Or would they arrive in front of the people only to turn around with their weapons and show that they are on the people's side?
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It happened today in Honduras. It could happen here. Officers in the military are sworn to uphold the Constitution, not to obey the CIC. The question is, do the military officers today, have the guts to honor that oath.

[Daniel II]

If it's gonna start it'll probably be in Texas, with say Arizona and Oklahoma joining in. It can then move up the Midwest and Rocky Mountain states, essentially dividing the country in two. Then we'd have to spearhead the movement on two fronts, a march on DC and the east coast and a march on the west coast. We could probably get the west coast to give up if we concentrate on DC. Divide and conquer, as they say.

I'm stuck here in San Diego, but am seriously reconsidering a return to my native Texas.

[mojitojoe]

OPEN LETTER TO UHBAMA AND ANY OF HIS FELLOW DIRTBAGS WHO MAY MONITOR Free Republic:

You cannot destroy the foundations of this nation without a fight! America is a force for good on this Earth and you will not DESTROY her heart and soul. We WILL STAND IN THE GAP. Pay VERY CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE TEA PARTIES...THIS IS US, BEING NICE.
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I know it's painful to head over to DU and read some of their posts but it's always good to see what your opposition if planning, thinking, doing, etc. Now KOS, forget it, they are all way out there, complete commies and progressives. They don't ALL disagree with us. Many of them do believe in the Constitution and are they do criticize Odumbo, Rahm and others. Maybe not all of them for the same reasons, but there are Democrats that aren't for a Communistic America. The percentage that are is smaller than many of us think. Many of them are realizing it's not so much about party and that the government is out of control, on both sides of the aisle.
Granted, the ones with Che avatars are our enemies. Some of them gripe about the same things we do. Some of them don't like the Waxman Markey(Cap and Trade) bill either. They don't want their taxes to skyrocket and now the cost of these things is hitting home. Not all of them are welfare moochers and some of them have good jobs and good health insurance. They thought it all sounded good until it began to hit then in the wallet too. Many of them rabidly want a single payer health care plan, like Canada. Those are the freeloaders that think they will get it free and we will pay for theirs. This is UNACCEPTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
My point is.... I think the percentage that want a Communist Global America is far less than many think. When it comes down to the wire, I think we have a bigger percentage than many think we do.

[mojitojoe]

So, what if a big part of the US joined in the secession? What if it turns out that secession looks like the county by county map of the last election? If so, then the little blue pockets will starve in short order and the fight will be to keep them in there long enough that they dispose of themselves.
If you look at it that way it’s easier to smile in the morning.
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I’ve said the same thing. The biggest problem would be to keep them from running to the red states that seceeded.

[stevie_d_64]

How long would a free Texas last if the rest of the world turned against it?

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As long as it can...

I would be appalled if the rest of the states we used to be in “union” with would wage open war with us for deciding that they were not what we wanted to be a part of anymore...

Those who do not agree can certainly leave, and I would protect that decision with great enthusiam...And they should not be molested in any way shape or form for wanting to leave...But any state that wishes to dissolve their association with the Union should not be dissrespected for doing so, or even making noises to do so...

But what should happen is that the rest of the states should really dig deep and try to find out why...And not devote time, money and thought into what they want to do to us for deciding to leave the Union...

I figure a move like this should not be a permanent one either...Think about how neat it would be to fix the problems which created the separation,and see a re-unification at some time down the road...

That would be a great day if you ask me...

But if there is to be a fight...Well, that won’t be my decision, but it certainly would not be something I would shy away from either...No one will ever be that unhappy again as far as I am concerned...

But lets see if we can avoid this if we can...

[bamahead]

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[mojitojoe]

I am a grand father and did my service before many on this forum were born, my fighting days are over, either they will kill me in a hospital or I will die of natural causes, but I will never again see a free America.

Pessimistic enough for you.
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Pessimistic is an understatement. This sure didn’t brighten the day for me, that’s for sure. :(

[mojitojoe]

repelling the 16th amendment

YES! Income tax = part-time slavery
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How can slavery be something you do voluntarily? How can they make, say 40-50 million people do anything voluntarily? The answer is, they can’t.