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Open Letter to Freepers: The U.S. As You've Known It Is Already Dead
Reuters ^

Posted on 06/27/2009 7:41:27 AM PDT by quesney

While reading the following news story:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/motoringAutoNews/idUKTRE5406CF20090501

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I was reminded two very important quotes from John Adams about the American Revolution:

* As to the history of the revolution, my ideas may be peculiar, perhaps singular. What do we mean by the Revolution? The war? That was no part of the revolution; it was only an effect and consequence of it. The revolution was in the minds of the people, and this was effected from 1760 - 1775, in the course of fifteen years, before a drop of blood was shed at Lexington. o Letter to Thomas Jefferson (1815-08-24), The Works of John Adams

What do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American war? The Revolution was effected before the war commenced. The Revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people; a change in their religious sentiments, of their duties and obligations... This radical change in the principles, opinions, sentiments, and affections of the people was the real American Revolution. * Letter to H. Niles (1818-02-13)

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In other words, years before the American Revolution, there had been a revolution in people's minds about the way things were and the way things should be.

Forget the disputes over just how real are Obama's high poll numbers. This is beyond Obama, or even his current followers.

Whether we realize it or not, the US went through another mental revolution of thought over the past few decades -- maybe beginning as far back as the anti-war protests of the 1960s, maybe to Roosevelt's New Deal, maybe to Lincoln forcing a more centralized Union...whatever.

This revolution of thought has slowly eroded the entire mental foundation of the country's founding principles.

The U.S., as it was and as many of us here still think of it, is already gone. Dead. A number of us have not fully caught up to this emerging reality.

Obama, and Bush before him, are only making that obvious. Steele, Arlen Spectre, the feckless GOP, all the rest -- it's all part of bigger picture already drawn and entrenched, maybe even before many of us were born.

Many of us are holding onto a mental artifact that is gone or never existed in the minds of our "fellow Americans." That remains true no matter what happens to Obama, long after he's gone.

Does that mean we give up? No. But that if you're making a personal decision not to give up, you have to start thinking more seriously about follow-up to those Tea Parties and perhaps to secession.

The U.S. is, beyond everything else, an idea. When our "fellow Americans" no longer share the basic elements of that idea -- of even basic standards of mutual respect, logic, reason, civil discourse, respect for others as equals -- our "fellow Americans" are no longer our "fellow Americans."

Plan accordingly.


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To: quesney
Already there. Been saying it for a while.

Enough is enough.

We are not here to subsidize your clueless business plans or reward your failures.


221 posted on 06/28/2009 12:19:01 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: jongaltsr

When the president of the US signs into effect “Executive Orders” he is usurping the Constitution. How many “Executive Orders” has Obama signed so far? How many did Bill Clinton Sign? Even George Bush signed some.

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They are out of control. We now have TWENTY EIGHT CZARS that control almost everything and answer only to the dumb ass in the WH. With Executive order and czars he is close to acting as a dictator which was always his plan. You can’t fight this with tea parties unless those tea parties numbers are in the millions.


222 posted on 06/28/2009 12:20:09 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: mojitojoe

Here’s an even better one:

When a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of the people, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted, and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression.

When the Federal Republican Constitution of their country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of their government has been forcibly changed, without their consent, from a restricted federative republic, composed of sovereign states, to a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest is disregarded but that of the army and the priesthood, both the eternal enemies of civil liberty, the everready minions of power, and the usual instruments of tyrants.

When, long after the spirit of the constitution has departed, moderation is at length so far lost by those in power, that even the semblance of freedom is removed, and the forms themselves of the constitution discontinued, and so far from their petitions and remonstrances being regarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into dungeons, and mercenary armies sent forth to force a new government upon them at the point of the bayonet.

When, in consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of the government, anarchy prevails, and civil society is dissolved into its original elements. In such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable rights of the people to appeal to first principles, and take their political affairs into their own hands in extreme cases, enjoins it as a right towards themselves, and a sacred obligation to their posterity, to abolish such government, and create another in its stead, calculated to rescue them from impending dangers, and to secure their future welfare and happiness.


223 posted on 06/28/2009 12:22:11 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

“How long would a free Texas last if the rest of the world turned against it?”

They are welcome to try. Texas makes nuclear weapons.

It is doubtful they would, though. The UN recognized Texas as a separate entity currently annexed by the US some time back.


224 posted on 06/28/2009 12:26:50 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: devane617

I sense revolution is starting to happen, just look at the growth and spread of the tea parties.


225 posted on 06/28/2009 12:53:50 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Live Long And Prosper!"-Mr. Spock:)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: maddog55

I sense a growing friction between the military and the government is growing, just look at what happened when that Sen.Boxer told off that general. She dissed the military by extention.


226 posted on 06/28/2009 12:56:39 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Live Long And Prosper!"-Mr. Spock:)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: quesney
...and perhaps to secession.

I think this a great time for Texas to secede. They have their own natural resources, their own ports, their own electric grid, their own international border (which they could defend better than Washington apparently can). They also have a budget surplus. As for water, it seems a desalinization plant could be built somewhere around Freeport or Corpus to produce fresh water from the Gulf that could replenish drought-stricken areas. A free, independent Texas would be a bastion of capitalism as more and more of Washington heads for socialism. We'll attract the best doctors, the best investors, the best entreprenuers because they'll be able to make profits unlike they will be able to in the new socialist America. I'd like to see some polling done to gauge how difficult it would be to win a statewide vote to secede.

227 posted on 06/28/2009 1:00:23 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: diji

BM - Speech of Janice Rogers Brown


228 posted on 06/28/2009 1:01:14 PM PDT by diji (Libs think Øbama is god and when they die they get to go and work for ACORN! *snort*)
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To: Erik Latranyi; null and void; Beckwith; stockpirate; PhilDragoo; Candor7; MeekOneGOP; Myrddin; ...

The lifeblood of our country are the true patriots whose hearts and minds are not controlled by the government, but by God. The backbone of this country is the military. Whoever controls the hearts and minds of the military controls the country. The military are sworn to uphold the Constitution, and are willing to lay their life down for it

The liberals and the Left are a bunch of chicken-sh*t cowards who, are anti-military, who never met a war they couldn’t run away from, who don’t like guns, don’t own guns, and wouldn’t know what to do with them if they did.

THEY should be afraid of us. THEY do not control us. Not by a long shot.

We have an unwavering faith in God and a love for what our country was, and still could be, if we really believe that, with God on our side, we can take it back.

That’s the intangible element and indominiable spirit of the Revolution that led to the birth of America.

The enemy in this country are a Godless lot. They worship Baal - The Golden Calf, aka materialism and secularism.

Don’t think for as moment that the Godless and faithless horde will ever be able to defeat the God of the faithful and righteous.

We have a replay of 1765 now with the most repressive taxes ever in the history of our country, before and after the Revolution.

Ten years later, the colonies had decided, “Enough is enough.”

It may have taken us 50 years to get to this point, but the end result will be the same.

I’m not ready to count this country out.


229 posted on 06/28/2009 1:06:42 PM PDT by Polarik (Forgeries are forever!)
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To: MrB

Got to remember that those whom those on the left will try to call to try to “put down”, thankfully are conservative thinking and WILL HAVE NO PART with those on the extreme left of things.


230 posted on 06/28/2009 1:11:29 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Live Long And Prosper!"-Mr. Spock:)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Polarik
"I’m not ready to count this country out."

Amen. I stand with you.

231 posted on 06/28/2009 1:14:41 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (All aboard the 1st Annual Free Republic National Tea Party Convention 9/11-9/12. Be there!!!)
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To: EdReform
“Remember the Raisin!”
232 posted on 06/28/2009 1:14:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (The poor bastards have us surrounded.)
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To: JimRed

That is also why A LOT OF AMERICANS have bought guns and ammo. Sales of both have gone up bigtime in the last several months.


233 posted on 06/28/2009 1:24:16 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Live Long And Prosper!"-Mr. Spock:)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: BlessingsofLiberty

Big difference: Americans have guns, the Iranians do not.


234 posted on 06/28/2009 1:30:04 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Live Long And Prosper!"-Mr. Spock:)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: Polarik

....And you had a BIG DISSING not that long ago by one Sen.Barbra Boxer of the military, via that general that was told off by her,showing her craven power hunger. Not a good thing to do.


235 posted on 06/28/2009 1:32:43 PM PDT by Biggirl ("Live Long And Prosper!"-Mr. Spock:)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: RobRoy
Like Galt, I do not expect to change it. I expect it to collapse of it’s own weight. It is quite inevitable. But then comes the cleanup.

Quite So! But in the mean time you have to defend yourself from their "secret" police forces which they will have to establish.

In the last few months so many thing will be happening simultaneously that the medias will be unable to keep track of them all. You will know that time by the fact that people will be abandoning their jobs, hiding in their houses. People will be beyond panic and would be defending themselves instead.

We are not there yet but I can see the light at the end of the tunnel - so to speak. I can't tell how far off that light is but it is bright and getting brighter quickly.

PS. You are always welcome at Galt's Gulch and I reckon - at Galt's Plateau!
236 posted on 06/28/2009 1:33:10 PM PDT by jongaltsr (Hope to See ya in Galt's Gulch.)
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To: cripplecreek
“Remember the Raisin!”

Indeed....

http://www.hourdetroit.com/Hour-Detroit/June-2009/River-Raisin-039s-Bloody-Banks/

237 posted on 06/28/2009 1:35:23 PM PDT by RasterMaster (DUmocrats - the party of slavery, sedition, subversion, socialism & surrender)
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To: Polarik
THEY should be afraid of us. THEY do not control us.

The do fear us and see us as a threat to be dealt with, not debated.

You saw the DHS report.

You saw the California Speaker calling conservatives "terrorists"

You know part of the hate-crimes legislation is penalties for talk radio

You know Obama wants his own civilian security force

The agenda is to keep pushing us until violence happens. The violence will be blamed on us....regardless of truth.

238 posted on 06/28/2009 1:41:01 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: All
From American Thinker that got 175 comments on their site:

Revolution

239 posted on 06/28/2009 1:43:19 PM PDT by SloopJohnB (CONGRESS.SYS corrupted...Re-boot Washington D.C? (Y/N))
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To: quesney
Sunday is Gloomy,
My hours are slumberless,
Dearest, the shadows I live with are numberless
Little white flowers will never awaken you

Not where the black coach of sorrow has taken you
Angels have no thought of ever returning you
Would they be angry if I thought of joining you
Gloomy Sunday

Gloomy Sunday indeed. America has been through worse times and survived.

Talk about secession ignores the way the country works. People give the new guy a chance at first. Then they get disillusioned and turn against him.

It's not the 1/3 that's passionately for or the 1/3 who are passionately against that matters. It's the 1/3 in the middle, who aren't "apathetic" but wary and slow to get involved.

But if things don't improve you can bet they'll turn against Obama.

240 posted on 06/28/2009 1:51:04 PM PDT by x
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