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Shame Is Deader Than Dead
nationalreview.com ^ | June 26, 2009 12:00 AM | Mona Charen

Posted on 06/28/2009 2:36:20 PM PDT by dr_who

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In divorce, there are no perpetrators, just victims! Therefore marriage is a crime!

Spent a long time reading Andrew Sullivan when the Iranian uprising was going full tilt and the regime hadn't yet rounded up the protesters. Liberals may have about as much empathy as everybody else, but they are really messed up. I guess the value of The Atlantic for conservatives is helps serve as a reminder of that fact.
1 posted on 06/28/2009 2:36:20 PM PDT by dr_who
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“Shame is dead”

Was he 50 years old?


2 posted on 06/28/2009 2:46:19 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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“Let children between the ages of 1 and 5 be raised in a household of mothers and their female kin. Let the men/husbands/boyfriends come in once or twice a week to build shelves, prepare that bouillabaisse, or provide sex.”

Oh, OK, sure, if you say so, lady. But what if we don’t like bouillabaisse?


3 posted on 06/28/2009 2:51:40 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: freedumb2003

More like 3,000 years old by the columnist’s reckoning.


4 posted on 06/28/2009 2:56:25 PM PDT by dr_who
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>>More like 3,000 years old by the columnist’s reckoning.<<

And she’s right — about everything.


5 posted on 06/28/2009 2:57:48 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks. Sic semper tyrannis)
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More job security for priests, if only they could seize the moment!

Men have been the adulterers for eons and women sucked it up in order to maintain financial continuity for their children.

Now that women have been ‘liberated’, they have become, why libertines of course.

Shame on cuckolding men and women, and the homewreckers who assist in the destruction of our childrens’ right to a stable, moral family structure. Just wait until the children leave the nest if you must behave like studs and sluts.

And that’s all I have to say about that.
sod


6 posted on 06/28/2009 3:01:21 PM PDT by sodpoodle (Never give up- Keep Up!!!)
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To: Cicero

Just another self-absorbed feminist b****’s version of Utopia.


7 posted on 06/28/2009 3:01:32 PM PDT by dr_who
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More job security for priests, if only they could seize the moment!

Good point. Priests these days are required to be pushovers.
8 posted on 06/28/2009 3:03:57 PM PDT by dr_who
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Don't be silly - marriage is just as much in vogue as it's ever been.




If you're gay.

9 posted on 06/28/2009 3:10:47 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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How about another solution that is only about 3,000 years old? How about avoiding adultery?

That's just crazy talk.

10 posted on 06/28/2009 3:13:07 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all. -- Texas Eagle)
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This is the “It’s all about me” generation. During “love’s” first blush, we cater to the object of our affection. Then it gets tedious as real life sets in. Emotionally we want carnivals and circuses. And there is now nothing to tell us that’s not the way to live and will never bring true happiness.


11 posted on 06/28/2009 3:20:56 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (Make yourselves sheep and the wolves will eat you. Ben Franklin)
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How about another solution that is only about 3,000 years old? How about avoiding adultery?

That's just crazy talk.

Have a friend who is getting a divorce. Told me he got in trouble and " everyone does it".

I told him no not everyone, I have been married 29years and not cheated.

12 posted on 06/28/2009 3:28:19 PM PDT by sausageseller (http://coolblue.typepad.com/the_cool_blue_blog/)
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I would like to hear from this author in a few years, when she has become dis-enchanted with her fling (or vice-versa) and longs for the boring stability that she (AND her children) once had. It’s sad and sickening that this “cosmo-girl” mentality is nothing more than a dead-end street for so many women.


13 posted on 06/28/2009 3:30:51 PM PDT by Larightgirl (get rich quick....count your blessings!)
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Let the men/husbands/boyfriends come in once or twice a week
to build shelves, prepare that bouillabaisse, or provide sex

For what purpose would a Male agree to this arrangement?
Why agree to this “contract”
It screams “I don't need you for anything”

Strangely I have some sympathy to the argument that Marriage is a “contract” or a “Covenant”
And should have nothing to do with Governance and Law except by mutual consent.
By this viewpoint, each marriage is precisely defined by those within it,
or by Covenant - a Contract with God

Divorce and infidelity, from this standpoint would be
dealt with primarily as a breach of Contract
not as a Breach of Common Law

Polygamy and Same Gender unions would be no different than
Polyandry, Plural Marriages, and Bestial Unions

Unless it is a Covenant Marriage in which the
Contract is defined by God, and so are the expectations
This, I believe, is the correct approach
But I'm not so sure it is so much a matter of Governance and Law
Let alone, regulated and supported by coercive taking - Taxation

But the issues with regard to Societal supports, insurance, etc.
would be a null concept, except by mutual consent

14 posted on 06/28/2009 3:40:50 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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Well, I also wonder what happens when the kids reach age 6. Ship them off to public school boot camp?


15 posted on 06/28/2009 3:46:49 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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This is Sandra (really).

I won't be participating in the "proving the sex" part.

16 posted on 06/28/2009 3:47:39 PM PDT by SkyPilot
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Ship them off to public school boot camp?

First grade - on steroids
Brave New World in it's infancy
Everybody belongs to everybody else
Soma - Don't give a damn, take a gram

17 posted on 06/28/2009 3:50:39 PM PDT by HangnJudge
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I almost upchucked lunch reading about this Atlantic magazine article. As it is, I subscribe to the Atlantic, and I haven’t read this article since I’m here at a conference. I’m not the catch of the day, certainly, but I can express a certain charm when I want to, and last night this little hot thing from Russia working at a local watering hole starting coming on to me. Flattering, sure. And during this whole round of little flirations and casual questions, all I could think about was my wife and son - and how a leap into bed could be the gunshot wound to the heart of my marriage. I paid my bill and walked out. Then I read about this twit writer and her utter lack of care about her children and her husband, and her dumbass idea that somehow men don’t need, deserve, or want a cohesive, loving family.

When I get home I plan on reading this article and then giving this immoral slattern a piece of my mind. Perhaps she can use it to fill in the hole in her consciousness.


18 posted on 06/28/2009 4:03:21 PM PDT by redpoll
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Perhaps she grew up believing that since her face isn’t pretty enough she is well within her rights to abandon or neglect those who are closest to her. Just a wild theory.


19 posted on 06/28/2009 4:09:57 PM PDT by dr_who
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To: Larightgirl

She may never become disenchanted with her fling. It sounds like it was a bad idea for her to be married to anyone in the first place.


20 posted on 06/28/2009 4:12:51 PM PDT by dr_who
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