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When Benedict Meets Barack (Obama will help the Catholic Church find its footing in the world)
Time ^ | Sunday, Jul. 05, 2009 | Jeff Israely

Posted on 07/05/2009 12:30:31 PM PDT by presidio9

When Pope Benedict XVI greets U.S. President Barack Obama at the Vatican on July 10, the symbolism and sheer star power of the encounter will keep the pundits chattering away. The photo op alone is worth a thousand words: The 82-year-old man in white, the world's most recognizable religious leader and head of its largest single denomination comes face-to-face with the charismatic first black President of the world's last superpower. And the scheduling efforts of both the Vatican and the White House suggest a shared appreciation of the symbolic weight the first encounter between Obama and Benedict could carry.

It was confirmed last week that the two would meet during a highly unusual Friday, 4 p.m. slot immediately after Obama finishes the G8 summit in Rome and prepares to depart for Ghana. Pontiffs almost always meet with visiting dignitaries before lunch, but that's not an option for Obama. And the fact that Benedict leaves Rome two days later for his summer holiday in the Italian Alps has some speculating that the pontiff had delayed his departure in order to be there when the new U.S. President comes to town.

Once they've allowed the photographers their opportunity, Benedict and Obama will speak alone and in private for what will likely be less than one hour. To paint the Obama-meets-Benedict dossier in broad strokes, says one senior Vatican diplomat, "It's basically the reverse of Bush." In other words, the Pope tends to appreciate the new President's less aggressive approach to foreign affairs, while clashing on ethical matters such as abortion rights and stem cell research — where President George W. Bush was seen by the Vatican as one of the few like-minded Western leaders on social issues,

(Excerpt) Read more at time.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhoeurope; bhog8summit; bhovatican; bhovisit; catholic; catholicvote; dncfalseprophets; heresy; popebenedictxvi; separatechurchstate; signsoftheapocalypse; vatican
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1 posted on 07/05/2009 12:30:31 PM PDT by presidio9
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To: presidio9

I’ve heard the Pontiff has been eagerly trying to get a slot in Obama’s schedule, what with how Obama is going to set him straight on all freaking things under the sun, and all.


2 posted on 07/05/2009 12:34:07 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand
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To: presidio9

I hope the Pope tells Bozo that he is too busy to see him because he is baptizing babies!


3 posted on 07/05/2009 12:35:57 PM PDT by Batman11 (Chicago, Land of Lincoln who freed the slaves and Land of Obama who enslaved the free.)
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To: presidio9

666 !!!


4 posted on 07/05/2009 12:36:01 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: presidio9

Unless the Pope planned an exorcism on Barry, I don’t see the big deal.


5 posted on 07/05/2009 12:39:10 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: presidio9

matter-antimatter annihilation


6 posted on 07/05/2009 12:39:43 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

HAHAHAHA!


7 posted on 07/05/2009 12:41:27 PM PDT by musicbymuzak
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To: A CA Guy

Because Michelle is sure to show her non manners in one way or another.


8 posted on 07/05/2009 12:41:37 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Batman11

Would they still be eligible for post-birth abortion according to the Illinois State Senate?


9 posted on 07/05/2009 12:44:07 PM PDT by ConservativeColumns
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To: presidio9

Well, at least they’ll share common ground in undermining Israel with their joint insistence for the creation of a philistinian state.


10 posted on 07/05/2009 12:45:35 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Batman11

TIME in the TANK.BO should be treated like
“I’m better than anyone else” N Pelosi.


11 posted on 07/05/2009 12:45:45 PM PDT by SouthCarolinaKit
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To: presidio9
Pontiffs almost always meet with visiting dignitaries before lunch, but that's not an option for Obama. And the fact that Benedict leaves Rome two days later for his summer holiday in the Italian Alps has some speculating that the pontiff had delayed his departure in order to be there when the new U.S. President comes to town.

Both Osama and the MSM will see this as a successful power play on the part of Osama. Neither will be capable of seeing it for what it is, the exercise of humility.

12 posted on 07/05/2009 12:49:31 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: presidio9

Only an obvious moment of analysis...but Time writes this kind of first-year college paper and publishes this as “news”?

The minor league analysis offered by Time is silly. The Pope and the church will lay out the problems and weaknesses of this administration...and offer to help move them to the right strategy. The President will attempt to smile and try to get his message across...but the Pope won’t be buying into this deal.


13 posted on 07/05/2009 12:51:49 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Batman11; The Invisible Hand; A CA Guy; Don Corleone

BTW, I’m hoping y’all got a chance to read the entire article. It was only a couple of paragraphs longer, but I had to cut it there. The subheading was not mine, it was from the article. Intrepid Time Magazine reporter actually does get into Pope Benedict XVI’s reasons for seeking out this meeting (which he did not seek out). Apparently, after 2000 years the Church could use the help of a man who voted “present” on the Born Alive Infant Protection Act to get its message out. Thanks Barry.


14 posted on 07/05/2009 12:52:29 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: presidio9

Maybe Obama will give the Pope an IPod with his address to NARAL and Deicide’s greatest hits already loaded up. Maybe he could toss in Jenna Jameson’s book as well.


15 posted on 07/05/2009 12:52:58 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (Just say "No" to socialism.)
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To: presidio9

Visualize Excommunication.


16 posted on 07/05/2009 12:54:55 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: presidio9

Barry won’t be able to go on a world tour to manage the recession he’s made worse and deepened.
At some point he and the Democrats will be toast.

As it is, if voters would read more about who did what they would NEVER have given Barney Frank who caused a lot of the mess more pals in the Congress and Senate.

I hope the Pope starts off by throwing Holy water on President Barry. Would be a hoot if he starts to melt...


17 posted on 07/05/2009 12:57:00 PM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: presidio9
Who cares about the analysis of the ass hats at Time. They know so little about anything it is stunning.
18 posted on 07/05/2009 12:57:23 PM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Jim from C-Town

It’s good to see what the enemy is saying.


19 posted on 07/05/2009 12:58:20 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: presidio9

With Obama’s help, the Catholic Church can begin to right itself once again? I just bet ....


20 posted on 07/05/2009 1:00:18 PM PDT by bboop (obama, little o, not a Real God)
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To: bboop

Obama can help the Catholic Church find a mission, relevance, staying power.


21 posted on 07/05/2009 1:01:42 PM PDT by MichiganConservative (Just say "No" to socialism.)
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To: MichiganConservative
Obama can help the Catholic Church find a mission, relevance, staying power.

Benedict, 2000 years of St. Peter. Obama, 6 months of Richard Daley.

22 posted on 07/05/2009 1:03:21 PM PDT by johniegrad
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To: presidio9

One would hope the Pope will remind the pro-abortion Obama that his conduct will lead him straight to hell.


23 posted on 07/05/2009 1:11:42 PM PDT by kenmcg (aS WACKY AS IT MAY)
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To: onedoug
Well, at least they’ll share common ground in undermining Israel with their joint insistence for the creation of a philistinian state.

This assinine comment serves no purpose in the context of this article, other than to let the reader know you have a perjudice of some sort against the Catholic Church. You obviously did not read any of Pope Benedict XVI's comments about Palestine, which were 100% neutral. President George W. Bush gave a speech on June 24 2002 in which he proposed a Palestinian state. It was a lot more specific. I suppose you lump him in witrh Obama and Arafat for that one. Not.

24 posted on 07/05/2009 1:17:24 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: presidio9

“Obama will help the Catholic Church find its footing in the world”

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

YEAH RIGHT


25 posted on 07/05/2009 1:30:21 PM PDT by antiunion person (PALIN/JINDAL 2012)
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To: presidio9
i wonder if he will bow
26 posted on 07/05/2009 1:33:26 PM PDT by sloop (pfc in the quiet civil war)
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To: presidio9
To paint the Obama-meets-Benedict dossier in broad strokes, says one senior Vatican diplomat, "It's basically the reverse of Bush."

Exactly- GWB was against all kinds of abortion while zero wanted to allow live birth abortion....nothing could be more opposite...

27 posted on 07/05/2009 1:33:29 PM PDT by God luvs America (When the silent majority speaks the earth trembles!)
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To: antiunion person
“Obama will help the Catholic Church find its footing in the world”

The Roman Catholic Church has been around for almost two thousand years. "0" has only been around for a few. What an arrogant, narcissistic buffoon!

28 posted on 07/05/2009 1:36:10 PM PDT by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot children are in charge!)
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To: God luvs America
I am going to pray about this meeting.

Although I do not for one second, in my heart, believe that uhbama, inside, gives two hoots and one hollar what the Pope believes or has to say.

uhbama is a narcissist. He will do what he has to for the photo op, tell the Pope he hopes abortions lesson, and then be on his merry way.

I hope the Pope is armed with words that shake the very soul of uhbama.

And that will be my prayer.

29 posted on 07/05/2009 1:38:04 PM PDT by Republic
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To: presidio9
How anxious is Benedict to please the pretty Obama!

In the ambassador noms, O has been sending deliberately insulting candidates to the Vatican. The pope refused to make any comment on honoring Obama with a degree at Notre Dame.

30 posted on 07/05/2009 1:42:22 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: presidio9
When Benedict Meets Barack (Obama will help the Catholic Church find its footing in the world)


31 posted on 07/05/2009 1:50:21 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: rfp1234

Wouldn’t that be grand?


32 posted on 07/05/2009 1:56:22 PM PDT by Maryhere ("HE comes to rule the earth")
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To: presidio9

“the symbolism and sheer star power of the encounter “

“And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God. “ - Luke 16:15


33 posted on 07/05/2009 1:58:35 PM PDT by RoadTest (I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. - John 14:6)
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To: presidio9

Love to be a fly on the wall. It’s about time Obama made time in his schedule for the Holy Father.


34 posted on 07/05/2009 2:13:12 PM PDT by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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To: freekitty
Because Michelle is sure to show her non manners in one way or another.

The press will have their carefully worded review for our edification of how well the event went and how charming Michelle was. Maybe it's already typed! ;-)

35 posted on 07/05/2009 2:15:55 PM PDT by fortunecookie (Please pray for Anna, age 7, who waits for a new kidney.)
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To: SouthCarolinaKit

Obama isn’t pretending to be a Catholic, so the Pope is less likely to read him the riot act.


36 posted on 07/05/2009 3:04:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: Maryhere

And Kerry, Rudy, Justice Anthony Kennedy, Ted Kennedy, Pelosi, and all the rest of those clowns.


37 posted on 07/05/2009 3:07:12 PM PDT by rfp1234
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To: presidio9
TimesOnLine 12 May 2009.

I've always liked this Pope. But when he expresses hope for a philistinian state he's lost me.

Bush was wrong about it too, so on that score, yeah, I'd "lump him in" with Arafat, Obama and you evidently.

38 posted on 07/05/2009 3:08:49 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: HiTech RedNeck

**the Pope is less likely to read him the riot act.**

Personally, I’d rather see the Pope Publicly Refute Nobama, and announce He will NOT RECEIVE the President for any reason.


39 posted on 07/05/2009 3:11:28 PM PDT by gwilhelm56 (Orwell's 1984 - To Conservatives, a WARNING - to Liberals, a TEXTBOOK!)
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To: onedoug

Bless their hearts, sometimes even the Vatican is politically tone deaf.


40 posted on 07/05/2009 3:13:14 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Don't blame me -- I use Linux.)
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To: fortunecookie

Watch Raymond Arroyo’s show at the beginning on EWTN on Friday evening called “The World Over” - if anyone catches the mood or tidbits out of it he will have it from the Vatican view. He is very witty. Good friend of Laura Ingraham I believe.


41 posted on 07/05/2009 3:22:25 PM PDT by Citizen Soldier (Socialism is the financial arm of Communism)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

***Obama isn’t pretending to be a Catholic, so the Pope is less likely to read him the riot act.***

That reminds me: a year ago, the press was full of speculation that GWB would convert, much as Tony Blair and Newt Gingrich wound up converting.

But to the matter at hand; Obama doesn’t act like a Christian, much less a Catholic.


42 posted on 07/05/2009 3:30:55 PM PDT by MarkBsnr ( I would not believe in the Gospel if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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To: reg45

There was a lecture/homily on EWTN about the result of education without virtue: Men begin to think they’re God.

Here is a study in contrasts!


43 posted on 07/05/2009 4:51:33 PM PDT by madameguinot (Our Father's God to Thee, Author of Liberty)
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To: madameguinot

“Sooo, dumpkopf, you sink you are Messiahh, ya?”


44 posted on 07/05/2009 4:58:42 PM PDT by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: presidio9
President George W. Bush gave a speech on June 24 2002 in which he proposed a Palestinian state. It was a lot more specific.

Yes it was, and many here forget, he was the first sitting President to do so. Just one of my many beefs with GW, along with Open borders, and allowing our troops to be put on trial, by fake civilian charges.

45 posted on 07/05/2009 5:48:08 PM PDT by itsahoot (Each generation takes to excess, what the previous generation accepted in moderation.)
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To: presidio9
I would respect the Pope if he simply told Obama that his position on abortion, disqualifies him from the Christian faith.

Anything short of that? I`m not interested, sorry.

46 posted on 07/05/2009 7:30:54 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge ( Yes I Love Sarah Palin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: onedoug
I've always liked this Pope.

Well, you weren't very persuasive in your argument in your choice of article to link. I had thought your point was that Barak Obama and Pope Benedict were the only two world leaders calling for the so-called "two state solution" in Israel, so I pointed out that President GW Bush had also done so. Your response was a convoluted article from the Times of London. Leaving aside the fact that the Times has a long history of taking every anti-Catholic position available, I could have found you a dozen articles that made a better case for the charge I assume you are grasping at.

The clear point that the Times is making is that some people in Israel think the Pope is an anti-Semite, and they may be right. The article says that the right-wing government was angered by "his call for a Palestinian homeland," but it fails to quote the man directly (in a long article). Even the Israelis would go along with a two-state solution if the right conditions were met. The press did the same thing with John Paul II, when he called for peace in Iraq and the MSM implied that he was calling Saddam Hussein an OK guy. For a Christian, the Pope's reaction to any diplomatic crisis is 100% predictable: He has WWJD tattooed on his eyelids. Sometimes he gets it wrong, but that's his only blueprint for any controversy. Obama might call for two states out of fundamental character weakness. The Pope always argues from the strength of his convictions. That's how he got to be Pope.

The rest of the article recycles several tired anti-Catholic prejudices (BTW, Jews can also be guilty of bigotry). The article implies that some Jews are mad that the Vatican is making Puis XII a saint. Interesting that some (unnamed) people feel that way, but it is a lie based on a falsehood. Only the Pope can make the decision on beatification (he has not). Elevation to sainthood takes miracles, which no Pope can supply. These days, if all sainthood required was a Pope's approval, Mother Theresa would already be a saint. And the myth that Puis XII somehow collaborated with the Nazis, or even did less than was in his power to end the Holocaust has been thoroughly debunked. Sixty years ago prominent Jews like Golda Meir and Alfred Einstein had already come out on the side of the Catholic Church concerning this controversy. I don't know if Puis XII was a saint, but the man has been completely exonerated to all but conspiracy theorists. Leave it to the Times to bring it up again here. I don't remember Israel's government doing so. Just like the Times reporting "some demanded the Pope be arrested" over supposed Jewish treasures hoarded by the Vatican. A pretty strong accusation, but the writer failed to identify the "some" or anything about the nature of the stolen treasures. I hope you see the pattern here.

I posted you to rebut a dumb point you made. I offered the facts, and took no side in the argument. That didn't stop you from making assumptions about me. I have no love for the Palestinians -and, yeah, that's the name they're going by these days. So unless you're prepared to start referring to the Italians as "Romans," you're just going to end up sounding ignorant and inconsistent to a lot of people. Calling them by their current name doesn't make you a sympathizer. That being said, I see nothing wrong with hoping for a day when they can be allowed to have their own state. I don't see that happening, but it's a nice thought. That was George Bush's thought, and the Pope's too. It does not lump any of us in, as you so simplistically did, with Arafat or Obama. If you fail to grasp the simple logic here, you have zero standing to pass judgment on any of us.

47 posted on 07/06/2009 7:54:20 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Looks like you missed the same point. See if post 47 helps.


48 posted on 07/06/2009 7:55:14 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: Friendofgeorge
I would respect the Pope if he simply told Obama that his position on abortion, disqualifies him from the Christian faith.

The Pope is not in a position to disqualify anyone from "the Christian faith." He could tell Obama that he has automatically excommunitcated himself from Catholicism through his pro-abortion legislation, but I doubt that Obama, a non-Catholic, would care very much. The Pope will undoubtedly offer a strong rebuke against abortion, but, again, I doubt he will care very much. Some presidents have had relationships with Popes, but this is nothing more than a photo-op.

49 posted on 07/06/2009 8:00:11 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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To: kenmcg
One would hope the Pope will remind the pro-abortion Obama that his conduct will lead him straight to hell.

He will. Obama won't care.

50 posted on 07/06/2009 8:02:14 PM PDT by presidio9 ("Don't shoot. Let 'em burn.")
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