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Democratic Leader Laughs at Idea That House Members Would Actually Read Health-Care Bill...
CNSNEWS ^ | June 8, 2009 | Monica Gabriel and Marie Magleby

Posted on 07/08/2009 11:34:19 AM PDT by yoe

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said Tuesday that the health-care reform bill now pending in Congress would garner very few votes if lawmakers actually had to read the entire bill before voting on it.

“If every member pledged to not vote for it if they hadn’t read it in its entirety, I think we would have very few votes,” Hoyer told CNSNews.com at his regular weekly news conference.

Hoyer was responding to a question from CNSNews.com on whether he supported a pledge that asks members of the Congress to read the entire bill before voting on it and also make the full text of the bill available to the public for 72 hours before a vote.

In fact, Hoyer found the idea of the pledge humorous, laughing as he responded to the question. “I’m laughing because a) I don’t know how long this bill is going to be, but it’s going to be a very long bill,” he said.

“Members clearly--and staff and review boards, they read them in their entirety. They go over it with members, and members read substantial portions of the bill themselves, but the issue is--I don’t know who signed this (pledge), but frankly the opposition has been very vociferous, not of the verbiage and bill, but on the concept that it incorporates,” Hoyer said.

Let Freedom Ring, a Delaware-based conservative organization, is circulating a pledge that asks members of Congress to promise to read the entirety of the final text of a health-care reform bill before they vote on it. They also are asking that the full bill be made available for review by the public for 72 hours before Congress votes on it.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: america2point0; congress; cultureofcorruption; democrat; democrats; democratscandals; disgusting; foul; govhealthcare; healthcarereform; hoyer; impeachobama; obama; obamunism; partisanship; pelosicongress; rubberstamp; socialism; treason; trustme; tyranny; wreckinghealthcare
I believe this is exactly what Sarah Palin is talking about. Steny Hoyer is a prime example of the Washington Cess Pool that thrives in other people's money, makes law on ill conceived ideas and then laughs at what they define as the "stupidity" of the voting public.

THROW THE BUMS OUT IN 2012!

1 posted on 07/08/2009 11:34:20 AM PDT by yoe
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To: yoe

Long past time to shut down the central goobermint!


2 posted on 07/08/2009 11:36:09 AM PDT by IbJensen (If Catholics voted based upon the teachings of the church, there would be no abortion and no Obomba.)
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To: yoe

They didn’t read the Patriot Act either. Let’s face it, we’re screwed.


3 posted on 07/08/2009 11:36:25 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: yoe

CAN WE OBTAIN AN INJUNCTION IN FEDERAL COURT AGAINST CONGRESS REQUIRING THAT THEY GIVE US (THE PUBLIC) AMPLE NOTICE TO READ THE BILL?


4 posted on 07/08/2009 11:37:12 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad
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To: yoe
Treason

Main Entry: trea·son
Pronunciation: \ˈtrē-zən\
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English tresoun, from Anglo-French traisun, from Latin tradition-, traditio act of handing over, from tradere to hand over, betray — more at traitor Date: 13th century

1.) a crime that undermines the offender's government
2.) disloyalty by virtue of subversive behavior
3.) treachery: an act of deliberate betrayal

5 posted on 07/08/2009 11:37:31 AM PDT by TSgt (Extreme vitriol and rancorous replies served daily. - Mike W USAF)
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To: yoe
Whoever is running the RNC should find this video and make and an ad asap!
6 posted on 07/08/2009 11:37:51 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: yoe

Stunning.


7 posted on 07/08/2009 11:38:40 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: IbJensen

Contact your state reps.
Get sovereignty legislation passed.
Get opt out legislation passed.
Get nullification laws passed.


8 posted on 07/08/2009 11:40:02 AM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, save Bowman for later)
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To: yoe
House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) said Tuesday that the health-care reform bill now pending in Congress would garner very few votes if lawmakers actually had to read the entire bill before voting on it.

We're in big trouble, people.

sw

9 posted on 07/08/2009 11:41:20 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife ) (Who will lead us?)
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To: TexasCajun
Whoever is running the RNC should find this video and make and an ad asap!

That takes money. Does anyone donate to the RNC anymore?

10 posted on 07/08/2009 11:41:53 AM PDT by newgeezer (It is [the people's] right and duty to be at all times armed. --Thomas Jefferson)
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To: TexasCajun
Whoever is running the RNC should find this video and make and an ad asap!

Needs to be repeated..anyone listing???

Whoever is running the RNC should find this video and make and an ad asap!

12 posted on 07/08/2009 11:46:00 AM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: goldwaterepublican

I don’t remember a whole lot of complaining about it back then. So it goes.


13 posted on 07/08/2009 11:47:39 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: newgeezer
That takes money. Does anyone donate to the RNC anymore?

Not me. Sarah PAC

14 posted on 07/08/2009 11:50:14 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: yoe
There was a (better) time when people like this were dealt with in a quick, decisive and conclusive way.

Just sayin'.....

15 posted on 07/08/2009 11:51:20 AM PDT by clintonh8r (General James Mattoon Scott: Where are you now that we need you?!)
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To: yoe

Chuck em all out. NOW.


16 posted on 07/08/2009 11:51:52 AM PDT by Danae (Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: TexasCajun
Whoever is running the RNC should find this video and make and an ad asap!

Heck, the media should be doing their 'job' and getting the word out to everyone!

17 posted on 07/08/2009 11:58:13 AM PDT by abner (I have no tagline, therefore no identity.)
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To: MikeWUSAF

Pelosi, other Dem leaders pressure members to oppose ethics measure

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/pelosi-other-dem-leaders-pressure-members-to-oppose-ethics-measure-2009-04-20.html

Democrats stop GOP effort to start ethics inquiry (The 8th stoppage by the Dims since March)

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090513/ap_on_go_co/us_house_ethics_1


18 posted on 07/08/2009 11:58:42 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (ACORN:American Corruption for Obama Right Now)
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To: yoe

And these are the people who CLAIM that they were MISLED by Boosh into voting to go to war against Iraq.

THROW THE BUMBS OUT. ALL OF THEM.


19 posted on 07/08/2009 12:02:12 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: yoe

These are the leaders of this country?

What a sickening laugh.

They are no more capable then a monkey of defending this country
like they should.


20 posted on 07/08/2009 12:04:51 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (The plan... 0 in power for life. At least that's what they told him.)
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To: MikeWUSAF

All guilty, including the Republicans. Throw the traitors out...NOW.


21 posted on 07/08/2009 12:05:36 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: yoe
As someone pointed out on this issue -- most of these members of Congress are lawyers. They understand very clearly what "a breach of fiduciary responsibility" means.
22 posted on 07/08/2009 12:05:57 PM PDT by Bokababe (Save Christian Kosovo! http://www.savekosovo.org)
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To: yoe

umm..the tossing starts in 2010


23 posted on 07/08/2009 12:06:52 PM PDT by wiggen
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To: yoe

I hope in 2010 that WE have the last laugh on these arrogant looters.

Tatt


24 posted on 07/08/2009 12:06:54 PM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." DorothyBernard)
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To: newgeezer

Does anyone donate to the RNC anymore?
___________
Not me, not until they get rid of Steele. No way in hell. I donate to real conservative candidates regardless of what state they are in.


25 posted on 07/08/2009 12:07:11 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: WOBBLY BOB

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090513/ap_on_go_co/us_house_ethics_1
Article not found or expired on Yahoo! News

well what do you know


26 posted on 07/08/2009 12:08:01 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (The plan... 0 in power for life. At least that's what they told him.)
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To: yoe

Here’s my response from my Senator Sherrod Brown, after I asked for his support of a bill allowing reasonable time for Senators to read a bill before the vote. Note, I did not indicate support for any act requiring the bills be read aloud. That’s his own take. I just asked for adequate time- a few days to a week.

“Thank you for expressing your support for the “Read the Bills Act,” an initiative of the group Downsize DC.

The sentiment behind this proposal – that elected representatives should understand what they are voting on – is a commendable one. The dangers of rushed debate have been amply illustrated in the past.

Unfortunately, this proposal would result in practically blocking any action by Congress at all. It requires that every bill, every amendment to every bill, and every law amended by every bill, be read aloud on the floor, before either chamber of Congress may vote. It also requires that, before voting, Members of Congress swear under penalty of perjury that they have sat through the entire recitation or previously completed the required reading. And it gives anyone the right to seek injunctive relief to prevent implementation of the resulting law, based on a claim that a single representative took a bathroom break during the marathon reading of an underlying provision of law.

I believe in developing legislation that would meaningfully and practically reform the House rules to give every representative an opportunity to look over pending legislation before casting a vote. I also believe that votes on major legislation should not be taken in the middle of the night, allowing the American people a practical opportunity to monitor the business being done in their name.

Thank you for sharing your views on congressional accountability.

Sincerely,

Sherrod Brown
United States Senator”


27 posted on 07/08/2009 12:08:10 PM PDT by keats5 (Not all of us are hypnotized.)
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To: mojitojoe

“Not me, not until they get rid of Steele”

I would love to know the names of the brain surgeons who put Steele in power.


28 posted on 07/08/2009 12:10:10 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: yoe

Back door tyranny


29 posted on 07/08/2009 12:10:24 PM PDT by TheThinker (America doesn't have a president. It has a usurper.)
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To: yoe

When do we stop talking and get physical?


30 posted on 07/08/2009 12:14:12 PM PDT by Datahead
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To: yoe

Tyranny:

1. arbitrary or unrestrained exercise of power; despotic abuse of authority.
2. the government or rule of a tyrant or absolute ruler.
3. a state ruled by a tyrant or absolute ruler.
4. oppressive or unjustly severe government on the part of any ruler.
5. undue severity or harshness.
6. a tyrannical act or proceeding.

I think that definition 1 sums it up pretty well, Steny!
P.S.: Get a man’s name.


31 posted on 07/08/2009 12:14:13 PM PDT by TMA62 (TMA62)
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To: keats5
Unfortunately, this proposal would result in practically blocking any action by Congress at all.

Sherrod, Sherrod, I don't see how such an outcome could be called "unfortunate"! ;-)

32 posted on 07/08/2009 12:18:11 PM PDT by maryz
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To: TexasCajun
Whoever is running the RNC should find this video and make and an ad asap!

Sorry, but there is NO ONE running the GOP. If they can't make political hay on this one, they can't make political hay!

33 posted on 07/08/2009 12:19:06 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: yoe
Ok, so the Leftist staffers draft the bill exactly the way the Leftist International wants it drafted and then these Fourth of July parade marching, baby kissing idiots vote for it based upon how it is reported to them by CNN? Oh, I get it!
34 posted on 07/08/2009 12:20:57 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: keats5

So...the bills are too massive for the congress critters to read before voting? Well........how about they pass simple bills that only take one page to explain? I guess that would be too easy, or else make it too hard for them to hide their duplicity.


35 posted on 07/08/2009 12:22:02 PM PDT by WVNan ( (Attack him where he is unprepared, appear where you are not expected.: Sun Tzu))
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To: mojitojoe

NOT ONE MORE PENNY TO THE RNC until the place is fixed...


36 posted on 07/08/2009 12:22:21 PM PDT by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: yoe

As I recall, a few weeks ago the House Dems brought in a speed-reader to read one of these monstrosities if the Republicans so demanded. So the Republican leadership folded like the cheap suit they are. Make them read these ******* things.... but no: they’ve no testicular fortitude (as Gene Burns used to say).


37 posted on 07/08/2009 12:23:25 PM PDT by theDentist (qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: yoe
“I’m laughing because a) I don’t know how long this bill is going to be, but it’s going to be a very long bill,” he said.

What an ass.

38 posted on 07/08/2009 12:32:19 PM PDT by Magnum44 (Terrorism is a disease, precise application of superior firepower is the cure)
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To: yoe

““I’m laughing because a) I don’t know how long this bill is going to be, but it’s going to be a very long bill,” he said.”

Was there no “b)”?


39 posted on 07/08/2009 12:36:47 PM PDT by Buck W. (The President of the United States IS named Schickelgruber...)
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To: potlatch





40 posted on 07/08/2009 12:36:49 PM PDT by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sarah Palin 2012 - - - - - -)
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To: keats5

Congress just keeps creating a job for itself. They have to justify their salaries somehow. Does it occur to anyone that if there weren’t so many useless and crazy bills they would have time to read the ones of merit? 200+ years of being a country and we don’t yet have all the laws we need? Get in there, get us a budget that won’t sink our country and then leave us the hell alone.


41 posted on 07/08/2009 12:40:20 PM PDT by Roos_Girl ("Obama is Kenyan for idiot" - CC)
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To: yoe

They vote based on how the NYT, CNN, MSNBC, and WaPo cover the legislative agenda. It is as simple as that - there is no reason to read the actual legislation when all you have to do is make sure you line up with the MSMstapo who will then carry your water (and even set up your appointments with lobbyists!). You can win in more than 2/3 of the country that way.

For the last 75 years, most have refused to read, and will continue to refuse to read, the legislation they vote for or against (and especially to vote present). There is no political force in existence which will get them to read this crap - in part because they know all the bills are filled with garbage bulker to make it that much more painful for us few gluttons for punishment to read. It is by design. Hundreds of thousands of words related to the importation of cabbage. Give me a break.

You can tell who reads (or tries to read) the legislation by who votes ‘no’ the most often. I have wasted enough of my own damn time reading legislation earlier signed into law to understand that no sane individual would have voted for, for example, the Patriot Act in its entirety if they read and completely understood the attendant titles and provisions. Delaying its passage by a few days so that the worst parts could be read, understood, and excised would not have imperiled American lives. Not that the additional time would have been used for that purpose...just more junkets and bromidic, platitudinal speechifying.

You cannot find ten men or women in the current Congress who are not corrupt and/or ignorant beyond redemption, and probably much less than one hundred for all Congressmen between the early 20th century and now (heavily weighted toward those in Congress prior to the 1950’s). You cannot find ten men or women who even make an effort to read what they are signing (sometimes it really is impossible - unless you can read **and understand** 100 pages of legalese an hour).

Not even term limits would fix it. The entire government system is a case study of perverse incentives on a grand scale.


42 posted on 07/08/2009 12:40:55 PM PDT by M203M4 (A rainbow-excreting government-cheese-pie-eating unicorn in every pot.)
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To: yoe

This attitude of our Representatives is totally disgusting. What are they being paid for if not for reading and knowing fully the content of the bills they pass? My goodness, are we paying them just for their signature? I am so totally dismayed at the audacity of these people who feel they control the public, rather than that they are our servants and are supposed to DO AS WE ASK THEM TO DO IN THE INTEREST OF THE COUNTRY!


43 posted on 07/08/2009 12:44:18 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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To: yoe

Where the hell is the GOP on this? AWOL!

They should ALL declare themselves on this fundamental issue. Why are they even talking to the Dem treasonous scum.

Why aren’t they on every conservative talk show, flooding the media ( yeah I know but there are some foreign media that would cover this)

The GOP should walk out, go home to their constituents and flog this issue day and night at a local level.

And any, and I mean any GOP senator or congress critter that didn’t walk out should have ALL GOP funds cut-off and be publicly branded as traitors to the republic.

P.J. O’Rourke had it right when he called them a parliament of whores.


44 posted on 07/08/2009 12:44:59 PM PDT by Covenantor ("Men are ruled...by liars who refuse them news, and by fools who cannot govern." Chesterton)
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To: devolve

Very neat devolve!


45 posted on 07/08/2009 2:33:10 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

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That FX is caused by an unintended FX at I-M when adding the text at top

The blinkout of text and the side movement

It is interesting


46 posted on 07/08/2009 2:49:46 PM PDT by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sarah Palin 2012 - - - - - -)
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To: devolve

The blinkout goes really fast.


47 posted on 07/08/2009 3:09:11 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: potlatch

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Thanks potlatch

I can reset the blinkout timing


48 posted on 07/08/2009 3:31:05 PM PDT by devolve (- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sarah Palin 2012 - - - - - -)
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To: TexasCajun
Not me. Sarah PAC

And therein lies the one of the biggest reasons Sarah Palin did not cut off her political legs last week. Now instead of sending money to the entrenched, ineffective, cowardly RNC hoping that they will use the money wisely such as a ready-made ad by simply using a clip of Obama promising transparency, followed by a clip from this interview with Hoyer followed by a simple graphic saying something like: "Should the future be blindly voted on?" "SarahPac - Giving Voice To The Voiceless."

I could say that better but the point is there: Sarah will say things that the RNC is too scared to say because THEY are entrenched too in the ways of DC. Sarah PAC is not run by committee but by leadership.

49 posted on 07/08/2009 6:46:35 PM PDT by torchthemummy (Sarah Palin: Conservative Point Guard-2009/10 Conservative Captain-2011/12)
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To: yoe; All

http://www.letfreedomringusa.com/pledge-to-read


50 posted on 07/09/2009 10:21:16 AM PDT by keep your powder dry
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