Posted on 07/14/2009 3:13:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
Can anyone answer the sweet lady's innocent little question?
They do know the power of the media, including the Internet as a means to get a story started.
can’t sleep?
Just about to...
This seems to have started with Obama’s pink shirts-Media
Matters.
The problem with badmouthing a website on the MSM is that a bunch of people will actually get curious and look it up. Voila, even more freepers. Who said there was no such thing as bad publicity?
“What’s so bad about a little girl wearing a peace sign?”
I see nothing wrong with it. It’s good that she has political views. It’s no different than when Republican parents teach their political ideology to their children. There was a story here about a girl roughly the same age who wore a prolife t-shirt to school and almost every comment supported her, why is it different with this?
PEACE SYMBOL or a BROKEN UPSIDE-DOWN CROSS: Like many simple symbols, it meant different things at different times. Some call it Nero's cross, linking it to the notorious Roman emperor who persecuted Christians. Centuries later, it was recognized as an old Norse Rune. After WW2 (1939-1945), it was found on the tombstones of some of Hitler's SS troops and labeled 'The Dead Man Rune.' Revived in the sixties by hippies and others who protested nuclear weapons, Western culture, and Christian values, it became a worldwide symbol of a new age of global peace and earth-centered unity. But many heavy metal rock fans would agree with Nero and have used it to mock Christ and His followers.
The above was taken from Symbols and Their Meaning. On a personal level, it stands to me to symbolize the hatred and animosity expressed toward both our military in the 60s and toward our country. It is a symbol expressing hatred of the US rather than pride in the greatest country on earth.
I kind of like that!
In my warped little mind, I associate the peace sign with the 60’s anti-establishment movement to destroy the American way of life.
It symbolizes the core of the Obama’s philosophy which conservatives strongly disagree with.
Other than that, it’s just a scribble.
Not a thing wrong with wearing a peace T-shirt. It just wasn’t the time or the place. The first family was representing the U.S. as the first family. A little class would have been in order.
You can wear the T-shirt at home, about town, out shopping with Moms Omabley, etc.
why is it different with this?
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Because she is the daughter of the president ,, obviously mom and/or dad bought or approved of the shirt and allowed it to be worn on a diplomatic mission where the little girl reflects and reinforces the way the president is viewed ...
He is already seen as a blowhard on defense and is actively appeasing the muslim world ... it puts a target on our backs.
The girl can wear anything she wants as long as it isn’t political... if she does then it opens debate.
I did not see the original thread referenced. Independent of that thread, let me say that when the daughter of the President of the United States wears a peace t-shirt while visiting a foreign country, it is a political statement.
Now, if it is her own political statement, I guess that is OK. Kids do have political views, after all. Lots of times you just have to shake your head and hope they grow out of them. However, if her clothes were picked by others, then this eleven-year-old girl is being manipulated in order to make a political statement.
Frankly, if I were President of the United States (not likely), I would try to make sure my children dressed in politically neutral clothing, and issue policy statements through the regular channels. But that’s just me...
Exactly. Imagine the reverse situation: The Bush twins wearing Tshirts that say “bomb Muslims” or something. I’d bet the MSM would be unleashing on DU’s foul discussions of the twins, right? Not.
“What’s so bad about a little girl wearing a peace sign?”
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To attempt explaining most of these things to those who feign understanding would be/is pointless.
Depart from them and shake the dust from yer feet soon thereafter.
Or even something more benign. Suppose it were the Bush twins wearing stars and stripes patterns. You can bet the ankle biters would be revving up the venom.
One hopes the adults would have the last say in this context. Has anybody asked Barack or Michelle why the girl was garbed so?
Ditto's to that. Basically I suppose there's nothing constitutionally wrong with wearing it but by the same token I have the constitutional right to not like it.
Just like this picture that FReeper rightwingintelligentsia took of a house near where we live. 
Admittedly we don't know the homeowner's intention or the statement that is being made. It could be a protest against the current administration or a show of support.
However I am still offended. Then again I know of a lot of my neighbors who don't like my Gadsden.
prisoner6
Pajama-clad maniacs, may be more pithy.
What's so bad about a mother sticking up for her daughter when she's been being described as a tramp by a washed-up, late night comedian?
etc., etc., etc.,
I would have a lot of problems with those neighbors.
What is so bad about a little girl wearing a peace sign?
Hm.
Well, for a start off that sign is not a universal sign of peace - it is the specific peace sign of several different groups, all of a particular strand of political thinking. These assorted groups do propogate the idea of “peace”, but they also propound a particular way of achieving this lofty objective (as well as a whole lot of other, rather less savoury policies) to which the rest of us are, shall we say, not neccesarily in agreement with.
Ergo, in wearing such a “peace sign” said young lady is emphatically NOT merely advocating “peace”. She is, perhaps unwittingly, in fact making a whole series of specific political statementsm because the emblem may mean “peace”, but it doesn’t ONLY mean “peace”.
Good morning.
Wearing a shirt with an obvious political statement while visiting a foreign country as their guest is a no for any President (or any of his family).
The fact that Obama is so tone deaf to this most salient point is downright scary.
They have no idea what we are about. Obama will be like the french..he will surrender before the first shot is fired in a war!!!
That blog is proof that some people are born into ignorance and never leave. Mostly by their own choice.
It’s the footprint of the American chicken to this vet.
“Just a couple of days after President Barack Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev agreed to cut back on nuclear weapons, the 11-year-old was spotted in Italy wearing two T-shirts that blared anti-nuclear sentiments.
As the president readied for the G-8 talks there, Malia turned out in a gray T-shirt bearing the famous Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament’s peace sign logo during a visit to the Coliseum in Rome.
Later, Malia changed into a mottled white and gray top bearing the peace sign.”
http://weblogs.newsday.com/entertainment/shoptalk/blog/2009/07/malia_obamas_peace_sign_tshirt.html
All of the foreign news sources I read interpreted it as a deliberate political statement by the child. I guess they think like I do, no one would be that stupid by accident and I'm talking about the adults around her.
So now I think, hmmmmmmmmmm......what was behind this? With Obama’s popularity tanking could this have just been a political ploy concocted to draw sympathy and deflect from BO’s failing policies. They HAD to know this would create controversy especially after seeing what has happened to Sarah Palins children, even little Trig. They HAD to know that there would be tons of negative comments. If not, then it leads me back to ‘is this the most ignorant administration that has ever occupied the WH’? I would like to see a reporter address this in a WH press conference. Let's get to the bottom of this. Do they just let the child wear what she wants anytime she wants? I want the WH to clear this up.
The peace sign in and of itself is just a symbol, a unique collection of lines and curves. It is not the symbol itself that many Americans (like me) detest, but what it actually symbolizes.
It symbolizes all the worst things and wrong attitudes when dealing with the most dangerous facets of human existence, armed confilict.
Nobody in their right mind likes war. But no thinking, freedom loving person loves peace that is an abdication of national responsibility or a surrender of personal freedom.
The peace sign is not a “Peace through Strength” sign or a “Peace through fair, just and moral agreement” sign.
The peace sign is a “Peace at all costs” sign, even if that means exposing our belly and surrendering our freedoms. It is a sick, twisted and corrosive form of unthinking, uncaring immature utopianism.
And in this case, the “little girl wearing the peace sign” is doing so with full consent and support of her parents, who know full well the symbolism of the “peace sign”.
There are people who say it is her First Amendment Right to wear that shirt in that setting.
First, children do not have Full First Amendment rights, not if they have responsible parents, and not if their expression of First Amendment rights could have affects that could impact adversely millions of people. Children learn through responsible parenting the boundaries of their First Amendment rights.
Secondly, it was worn with the full approval of the parents. Does anyone think, for even a moment, that she would have been allowed to wear a shirt in that situation saying “Russians murdered and tyrannized many millions more people than the Nazis ever did!” Of course not, because it would have had an effect on millions of US citizens as a result.
That fact that Obama, his wife, and liberals think this is a great thing, letting an 11 year old wear that symbol in that context, is shocking proof that (a) they either think the symbol has no meaning past the wearing of it. It is just a symbol, or (b) They know full well just what it symbolizes and wish the message to be sent.
Either choice unearths a dangerous, immature, naive mindset in a world where we should be projecting strength, not weakness.
That is what is wrong with a “little girl wearing a peace sign”.
That particular peace symbol is associated with an anti-military stance and a weak America. Peace through strength trumps peace through weakness. I don’t know any conservative who doesn’t want peace and for the troops to come home to their families.
Good morning back atcha. Summertime and I have a/c running, so I arise uncharacteristically early to run a load of laundry and the dishwasher, and boil water for my iced tea. Can do all that, a little FR reading, go back to bed and get in a nap all before the crack of noon, when my teenagers drag out of bed! :)
It is a slap in the face to those in the military and those who have given their lives defending our nation, by the Commander in Chief’s family while visiting a foreign country. It’s amateur hour at the White House.
Wow. Well written, thanks!
It is not a peace symbol, it is an anti-war symbol, that is, any war America is involved in. You didn’t see it when the communists were involved in a war, in fact, it would be prominent when America opposed a communist war.
The wearing of that peace shirt is indicative of the complete contempt that the current Resident and his mate have for this country. It is matched by the complete contempt I have have for them and their lickspittle lapdogs in the State Run Media!
It suggests that they shop at Wal-mart (while putting down the rest of us, who *admit* to shopping at Wal-mart). Peace signs and dumb recycling symbols were all over the children’s clothes at Wal-mart this summer. My husband, the clueless nerd, even bought one of the recycle shirts for one of our daughters - didn’t recognize the symbol!
Yes, it reminds me too of the 60’s, but perhaps slightly in a different way.
It reminds me as you say of the anti-establishment, but sycophant, trendists of that era whom wanted so much to be part of, and be seen with the “In crowd”.
Yes that smelly, hairy, babbling bunch of idiots became an, and perhaps depending upon where one lived THE “In Crowd” of the era.
That symbol was, and actually is still today part of what unifies the hard core of what became a movement to a number of over the topper’s.
IMO had the Leftist Media not embraced the idiocy of the movement, the symbol, etc. which increased the exposure of the drugs and free love crowd as though it were simply another fad as was Hula hoop, Americans would be enjoying a more drug free, and less strained social environment.
I absolutely see red (multiple meanings there) when I see that symbol.
prisoner6
It’s semaphore for ND. Nuclear Disarmament.
As I recall from my high school days, the so called Peace Symbol was actually a Surrender Symbol. It represented all who hated not only the military, but individuals in the military and werent afraid to show that hatred. It also was a symbol for all those who began the left wing push in this country that has culminated in the election of King Hussien. To me, it is the left wing equivilent of a swastika.
> Who said there was no such thing as bad publicity?
“The only thing worse than being talked about...
is not being talked about.”
-Oscar Wilde
The answer is simple: The same thing is wrong with Malia wearing a peace sign as if she were wearing a “Kill them all and let God sort them out” t-shirt. Whether she know or likes it, she is a political billboard, and her middle-finger wagging styling (just like her father’s) is crass and idiotic.
If the Obamas want their children to be off limits, then they had best make them non-political. This was an overt political act.
I like it!
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