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What's so bad about a little girl wearing a peace sign?
A liberal blog ^ | July 13, 2009 | Helena Andrews

Posted on 07/14/2009 3:13:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Can anyone answer the sweet lady's innocent little question?


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KEYWORDS: bhog8summit; g8summit; malia; obama; obamafamily; peacesign; tshirt
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Helena Andrews writes about the importance of everything pop culture. Her collection of essays, Bitch is the New Black, will be published by Harper Collins the summer of 2010.
1 posted on 07/14/2009 3:13:48 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
It's looking like FR is this week's designated target. Every Monday it seems there's a pretty well-coordinated attack against someone... Rush, Cheney, Fox, whatever.

They do know the power of the media, including the Internet as a means to get a story started.

2 posted on 07/14/2009 3:18:10 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Jim Robinson

can’t sleep?


3 posted on 07/14/2009 3:18:49 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: central_va
can’t sleep?

Just about to...

4 posted on 07/14/2009 3:20:22 AM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: Cementjungle

This seems to have started with Obama’s pink shirts-Media
Matters.


5 posted on 07/14/2009 3:21:16 AM PDT by Dr. Ursus
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To: Cementjungle

The problem with badmouthing a website on the MSM is that a bunch of people will actually get curious and look it up. Voila, even more freepers. Who said there was no such thing as bad publicity?


6 posted on 07/14/2009 3:21:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: Jim Robinson

“What’s so bad about a little girl wearing a peace sign?”

I see nothing wrong with it. It’s good that she has political views. It’s no different than when Republican parents teach their political ideology to their children. There was a story here about a girl roughly the same age who wore a prolife t-shirt to school and almost every comment supported her, why is it different with this?


7 posted on 07/14/2009 3:25:13 AM PDT by ciwwaf
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To: Jim Robinson
It's getting pretty thick.


8 posted on 07/14/2009 3:26:18 AM PDT by central_va ( http://www.15thvirginia.org/)
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To: Jim Robinson
Just one quick little blurb about that symbol:

PEACE SYMBOL or a BROKEN UPSIDE-DOWN CROSS: Like many simple symbols, it meant different things at different times. Some call it Nero's cross, linking it to the notorious Roman emperor who persecuted Christians. Centuries later, it was recognized as an old Norse Rune. After WW2 (1939-1945), it was found on the tombstones of some of Hitler's SS troops and labeled 'The Dead Man Rune.' Revived in the sixties by hippies and others who protested nuclear weapons, Western culture, and Christian values, it became a worldwide symbol of a new age of global peace and earth-centered unity. But many heavy metal rock fans would agree with Nero and have used it to mock Christ and His followers.

The above was taken from Symbols and Their Meaning. On a personal level, it stands to me to symbolize the hatred and animosity expressed toward both our military in the 60s and toward our country. It is a symbol expressing hatred of the US rather than pride in the greatest country on earth.

9 posted on 07/14/2009 3:27:17 AM PDT by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ Caligula is pure evil.)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Maniacs in their pajamas"

I kind of like that!

10 posted on 07/14/2009 3:29:55 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Jim Robinson

In my warped little mind, I associate the peace sign with the 60’s anti-establishment movement to destroy the American way of life.

It symbolizes the core of the Obama’s philosophy which conservatives strongly disagree with.

Other than that, it’s just a scribble.


11 posted on 07/14/2009 3:30:45 AM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (The only time I want a Republican reaching across the aisle is to smack a liberal.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Not a thing wrong with wearing a peace T-shirt. It just wasn’t the time or the place. The first family was representing the U.S. as the first family. A little class would have been in order.
You can wear the T-shirt at home, about town, out shopping with Moms Omabley, etc.


12 posted on 07/14/2009 3:30:47 AM PDT by mark3681
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To: ciwwaf

why is it different with this?
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Because she is the daughter of the president ,, obviously mom and/or dad bought or approved of the shirt and allowed it to be worn on a diplomatic mission where the little girl reflects and reinforces the way the president is viewed ...

He is already seen as a blowhard on defense and is actively appeasing the muslim world ... it puts a target on our backs.

The girl can wear anything she wants as long as it isn’t political... if she does then it opens debate.


13 posted on 07/14/2009 3:30:57 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Jim Robinson

I did not see the original thread referenced. Independent of that thread, let me say that when the daughter of the President of the United States wears a peace t-shirt while visiting a foreign country, it is a political statement.

Now, if it is her own political statement, I guess that is OK. Kids do have political views, after all. Lots of times you just have to shake your head and hope they grow out of them. However, if her clothes were picked by others, then this eleven-year-old girl is being manipulated in order to make a political statement.

Frankly, if I were President of the United States (not likely), I would try to make sure my children dressed in politically neutral clothing, and issue policy statements through the regular channels. But that’s just me...


14 posted on 07/14/2009 3:34:58 AM PDT by Republican Landslide
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To: Neidermeyer

Exactly. Imagine the reverse situation: The Bush twins wearing Tshirts that say “bomb Muslims” or something. I’d bet the MSM would be unleashing on DU’s foul discussions of the twins, right? Not.


15 posted on 07/14/2009 3:35:57 AM PDT by Big Giant Head (Running my computer bare naked for over a year with no infections at all.)
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To: Jim Robinson

“What’s so bad about a little girl wearing a peace sign?”
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To attempt explaining most of these things to those who feign understanding would be/is pointless.

Depart from them and shake the dust from yer feet soon thereafter.


16 posted on 07/14/2009 3:40:05 AM PDT by gunnyg
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To: Big Giant Head

Or even something more benign. Suppose it were the Bush twins wearing stars and stripes patterns. You can bet the ankle biters would be revving up the venom.


17 posted on 07/14/2009 3:41:03 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: Republican Landslide
Now, if it is her own political statement, I guess that is OK.

One hopes the adults would have the last say in this context. Has anybody asked Barack or Michelle why the girl was garbed so?

18 posted on 07/14/2009 3:42:45 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (The Democrat Party: a criminal organization masquerading as a political party)
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To: Jim Robinson
Kids are seldom thinking about the history behind a peace sign or whatever symbol is on their shirt... they are just as seldom making a political statement. They are thinking about what so-and-so will be wearig today, and will it make someone jealous, etc etc etc. Sure, Michelle would know it would be seen as a political statement. Sorry, I think some overreacted.
19 posted on 07/14/2009 3:44:33 AM PDT by theDentist (qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Jim Robinson
The only thing that really surprised me, was that it wasn't a Che t-shirt, political leanings of her family and all.
20 posted on 07/14/2009 3:46:31 AM PDT by pennboricua
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To: Jemian; Jim Robinson; All
On a personal level, it stands to me to symbolize the hatred and animosity expressed toward both our military in the 60s and toward our country. It is a symbol expressing hatred of the US rather than pride in the greatest country on earth.

Ditto's to that. Basically I suppose there's nothing constitutionally wrong with wearing it but by the same token I have the constitutional right to not like it.

Just like this picture that FReeper rightwingintelligentsia took of a house near where we live.

Admittedly we don't know the homeowner's intention or the statement that is being made. It could be a protest against the current administration or a show of support.

However I am still offended. Then again I know of a lot of my neighbors who don't like my Gadsden.

prisoner6

21 posted on 07/14/2009 3:47:24 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the Left fall out.)
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To: humblegunner

Pajama-clad maniacs, may be more pithy.


22 posted on 07/14/2009 3:47:50 AM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/ http://www.sarahpac.com)
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To: Big Giant Head
Yup. I don't mind the children wearing clothing displaying their political preferences to the Sidwell Private School for Beltway Democrat Politicians and their Friends, but when they are traveling, especially to political summits, on MY DIME, they can just wear nice pink or blue or yellow t-shirts.
23 posted on 07/14/2009 3:49:29 AM PDT by Free State Four
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What's so bad about a mother not aborting a Down's Syndrome baby?

What's so bad about a mother sticking up for her daughter when she's been being described as a tramp by a washed-up, late night comedian?

etc., etc., etc.,

24 posted on 07/14/2009 3:50:54 AM PDT by fortunate sun (What's fat, ugly, lives in Alaska and makes Grendel's mother smell like roses? Linda Kellen Biegel)
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To: prisoner6

I would have a lot of problems with those neighbors.


25 posted on 07/14/2009 3:54:16 AM PDT by Jemian (PAM of JT ~~ Caligula is pure evil.)
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To: rabidralph
"Pajama-clad maniacs with attitudes" maybe more apropos
26 posted on 07/14/2009 3:54:56 AM PDT by SERE_DOC (My Rice Krispies told me to stay home & clean my weapons! How does one clean a phase 4 plasma rifle)
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To: Jim Robinson

What is so bad about a little girl wearing a peace sign?

Hm.

Well, for a start off that sign is not a universal sign of peace - it is the specific peace sign of several different groups, all of a particular strand of political thinking. These assorted groups do propogate the idea of “peace”, but they also propound a particular way of achieving this lofty objective (as well as a whole lot of other, rather less savoury policies) to which the rest of us are, shall we say, not neccesarily in agreement with.

Ergo, in wearing such a “peace sign” said young lady is emphatically NOT merely advocating “peace”. She is, perhaps unwittingly, in fact making a whole series of specific political statementsm because the emblem may mean “peace”, but it doesn’t ONLY mean “peace”.


27 posted on 07/14/2009 3:56:15 AM PDT by Vanders9
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To: Free State Four

Good morning.


28 posted on 07/14/2009 3:56:19 AM PDT by barker (Sarah Palin 2012? You betcha!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Wearing a shirt with an obvious political statement while visiting a foreign country as their guest is a no for any President (or any of his family).

The fact that Obama is so tone deaf to this most salient point is downright scary.


29 posted on 07/14/2009 3:59:01 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Jim Robinson

They have no idea what we are about. Obama will be like the french..he will surrender before the first shot is fired in a war!!!


30 posted on 07/14/2009 4:00:08 AM PDT by GregB (Running my own Sarah Palin Headquarters for her run for President here in Clymer. Pa)
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To: Jim Robinson

That blog is proof that some people are born into ignorance and never leave. Mostly by their own choice.


31 posted on 07/14/2009 4:00:29 AM PDT by raybbr (It's going to get a lot worse now that the anchor babies are voting!)
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To: Jim Robinson

It’s the footprint of the American chicken to this vet.


32 posted on 07/14/2009 4:03:03 AM PDT by johncatl (...governs least, governs best.)
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It's hard for me to imagine the ignorance of this administration allowing this child to parade around Europe with ANY KIND of symbol on her clothes that could be interpreted in all kinds of controversial ways. AND I have to conclude that it wasn't by accident because apparently it was two different tee shirts in one day.

“Just a couple of days after President Barack Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev agreed to cut back on nuclear weapons, the 11-year-old was spotted in Italy wearing two T-shirts that blared anti-nuclear sentiments.

As the president readied for the G-8 talks there, Malia turned out in a gray T-shirt bearing the famous Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament’s peace sign logo during a visit to the Coliseum in Rome.

Later, Malia changed into a mottled white and gray top bearing the peace sign.”

http://weblogs.newsday.com/entertainment/shoptalk/blog/2009/07/malia_obamas_peace_sign_tshirt.html

All of the foreign news sources I read interpreted it as a deliberate political statement by the child. I guess they think like I do, no one would be that stupid by accident and I'm talking about the adults around her.

So now I think, hmmmmmmmmmm......what was behind this? With Obama’s popularity tanking could this have just been a political ploy concocted to draw sympathy and deflect from BO’s failing policies. They HAD to know this would create controversy especially after seeing what has happened to Sarah Palins children, even little Trig. They HAD to know that there would be tons of negative comments. If not, then it leads me back to ‘is this the most ignorant administration that has ever occupied the WH’? I would like to see a reporter address this in a WH press conference. Let's get to the bottom of this. Do they just let the child wear what she wants anytime she wants? I want the WH to clear this up.

33 posted on 07/14/2009 4:03:58 AM PDT by MagnoliaB
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The peace sign in and of itself is just a symbol, a unique collection of lines and curves. It is not the symbol itself that many Americans (like me) detest, but what it actually symbolizes.

It symbolizes all the worst things and wrong attitudes when dealing with the most dangerous facets of human existence, armed confilict.

Nobody in their right mind likes war. But no thinking, freedom loving person loves peace that is an abdication of national responsibility or a surrender of personal freedom.

The peace sign is not a “Peace through Strength” sign or a “Peace through fair, just and moral agreement” sign.

The peace sign is a “Peace at all costs” sign, even if that means exposing our belly and surrendering our freedoms. It is a sick, twisted and corrosive form of unthinking, uncaring immature utopianism.

And in this case, the “little girl wearing the peace sign” is doing so with full consent and support of her parents, who know full well the symbolism of the “peace sign”.

There are people who say it is her First Amendment Right to wear that shirt in that setting.

First, children do not have Full First Amendment rights, not if they have responsible parents, and not if their expression of First Amendment rights could have affects that could impact adversely millions of people. Children learn through responsible parenting the boundaries of their First Amendment rights.

Secondly, it was worn with the full approval of the parents. Does anyone think, for even a moment, that she would have been allowed to wear a shirt in that situation saying “Russians murdered and tyrannized many millions more people than the Nazis ever did!” Of course not, because it would have had an effect on millions of US citizens as a result.

That fact that Obama, his wife, and liberals think this is a great thing, letting an 11 year old wear that symbol in that context, is shocking proof that (a) they either think the symbol has no meaning past the wearing of it. It is just a symbol, or (b) They know full well just what it symbolizes and wish the message to be sent.

Either choice unearths a dangerous, immature, naive mindset in a world where we should be projecting strength, not weakness.

That is what is wrong with a “little girl wearing a peace sign”.


34 posted on 07/14/2009 4:05:40 AM PDT by rlmorel ("The Road to Serfdom" by F.A.Hayek - Read it...today.)
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To: Jim Robinson

That particular peace symbol is associated with an anti-military stance and a weak America. Peace through strength trumps peace through weakness. I don’t know any conservative who doesn’t want peace and for the troops to come home to their families.


35 posted on 07/14/2009 4:06:33 AM PDT by Kirkwood
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To: barker

Good morning back atcha. Summertime and I have a/c running, so I arise uncharacteristically early to run a load of laundry and the dishwasher, and boil water for my iced tea. Can do all that, a little FR reading, go back to bed and get in a nap all before the crack of noon, when my teenagers drag out of bed! :)


36 posted on 07/14/2009 4:07:47 AM PDT by Free State Four
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To: Jim Robinson
Anyone who has said to their kids, “You're not going outside wearing THAT?!”, knows that the shirt she was wearing was a political statement of the parents and worn with their approval. I suspect it was a gift from Bill Eyers.
37 posted on 07/14/2009 4:10:05 AM PDT by Never on my watch (You are in the most danger when you are in the company of pacifists.)
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To: Jim Robinson

It is a slap in the face to those in the military and those who have given their lives defending our nation, by the Commander in Chief’s family while visiting a foreign country. It’s amateur hour at the White House.


38 posted on 07/14/2009 4:12:25 AM PDT by cabojoe
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To: rlmorel

Wow. Well written, thanks!


39 posted on 07/14/2009 4:13:37 AM PDT by Never on my watch (You are in the most danger when you are in the company of pacifists.)
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To: Jim Robinson

It is not a peace symbol, it is an anti-war symbol, that is, any war America is involved in. You didn’t see it when the communists were involved in a war, in fact, it would be prominent when America opposed a communist war.


40 posted on 07/14/2009 4:20:10 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (For the first time, in my life, I am not proud of my country. Thanks ZerO.)
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To: prisoner6
I fly a large Gadsden Flag on one side of my front door and a "Sons of Liberty" Flag on the the other side. I will not fly the American Flag as long as that Communist and his spawn occupy the White House!

The wearing of that peace shirt is indicative of the complete contempt that the current Resident and his mate have for this country. It is matched by the complete contempt I have have for them and their lickspittle lapdogs in the State Run Media!

41 posted on 07/14/2009 4:20:21 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Sarah Palin...Unleashing the Fury of the Castrated Left!")
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To: Jim Robinson

It suggests that they shop at Wal-mart (while putting down the rest of us, who *admit* to shopping at Wal-mart). Peace signs and dumb recycling symbols were all over the children’s clothes at Wal-mart this summer. My husband, the clueless nerd, even bought one of the recycle shirts for one of our daughters - didn’t recognize the symbol!


42 posted on 07/14/2009 4:23:42 AM PDT by Tax-chick (In addition to living on the Riviera, the Goths ...)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Yes, it reminds me too of the 60’s, but perhaps slightly in a different way.

It reminds me as you say of the anti-establishment, but sycophant, trendists of that era whom wanted so much to be part of, and be seen with the “In crowd”.

Yes that smelly, hairy, babbling bunch of idiots became an, and perhaps depending upon where one lived THE “In Crowd” of the era.

That symbol was, and actually is still today part of what unifies the hard core of what became a movement to a number of over the topper’s.

IMO had the Leftist Media not embraced the idiocy of the movement, the symbol, etc. which increased the exposure of the drugs and free love crowd as though it were simply another fad as was Hula hoop, Americans would be enjoying a more drug free, and less strained social environment.

I absolutely see red (multiple meanings there) when I see that symbol.


43 posted on 07/14/2009 4:24:01 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: Redleg Duke
I've been thinking about flying a Sons of Liberty on the flagpole in the side yard. Seems like a good idea to me.

prisoner6

44 posted on 07/14/2009 4:26:57 AM PDT by prisoner6 (Right Wing Nuts hold the country together as the loose screws of the Left fall out.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I guess Helena wouldn't have a problem with this little girl either.


45 posted on 07/14/2009 4:28:44 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....Iraq Invasion fan since '91.)
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To: Jemian

It’s semaphore for ND. Nuclear Disarmament.


46 posted on 07/14/2009 4:32:36 AM PDT by Paladin2 (Big Ears + Big Spending --> BigEarMarx, the man behind TOTUS)
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To: ciwwaf

As I recall from my high school days, the so called Peace Symbol was actually a Surrender Symbol. It represented all who hated not only the military, but individuals in the military and werent afraid to show that hatred. It also was a symbol for all those who began the left wing push in this country that has culminated in the election of King Hussien. To me, it is the left wing equivilent of a swastika.


47 posted on 07/14/2009 4:32:41 AM PDT by Bulldawg Fan (Victory is the last thing Murtha and his fellow Defeatists want.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

> Who said there was no such thing as bad publicity?

“The only thing worse than being talked about...
is not being talked about.”

-Oscar Wilde


48 posted on 07/14/2009 4:34:56 AM PDT by XEHRpa
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To: Jim Robinson

The answer is simple: The same thing is wrong with Malia wearing a peace sign as if she were wearing a “Kill them all and let God sort them out” t-shirt. Whether she know or likes it, she is a political billboard, and her middle-finger wagging styling (just like her father’s) is crass and idiotic.

If the Obamas want their children to be off limits, then they had best make them non-political. This was an overt political act.


49 posted on 07/14/2009 4:35:40 AM PDT by MortMan (Stubbing one's toes is a valid (if painful) way of locating furniture in the dark.)
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To: SERE_DOC

I like it!


50 posted on 07/14/2009 4:41:14 AM PDT by rabidralph (http://www.thealaskafundtrust.com/ http://www.sarahpac.com)
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