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Obama Health Bill: Those on Social Security - Mandatory Counseling on Asst. Suicide
Fred Thompson Show ^ | July 17, 2009 | Betsy McCaughey Interview

Posted on 07/17/2009 4:09:12 PM PDT by Jim Robinson

On Page 425 of Obama’s health care bill, the Federal Government will require EVERYONE who is on Social Security to undergo a counseling session every 5 years with the objective being that they will explain to them just how to end their own life earlier. Yes...They are going to push SUICIDE to cut medicare spending!!! And no, I am NOT SH—ing YOU! So those of you who voted for Obama have now put your own parents in dire straights...Congratulations!

Also, planned denial of medical care for seniors.

Click the source for audio.


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To: Jim Robinson

SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION.

(a) MEDICARE.—

(1) IN GENERAL.—Section 1861 of the Social Security Act (42 U.S.C. 1395x) is amended—

(A) in subsection (s)(2)—

(i) by striking ‘’and’’ at the end of subparagraph (DD);
(ii) by adding ‘’and’’ at the end of subparagraph (EE); and
(iii) by adding at the end the following new subparagraph:

P. 425

‘’(FF) advance care planning consultation (as defined in subsection (hhh)(1));’’; and

(B) by adding at the end the following new subsection: ‘’Advance Care Planning Consultation ‘’(hhh)(1) Subject to paragraphs (3) and (4), the term ‘advance care planning consultation’ means a consultation between the individual and a practitioner described in paragraph (2) regarding advance care planning, if, subject to paragraph (3), the individual involved has not had such a consultation within the last 5 years. Such consultation shall include the following:

‘’(A) An explanation by the practitioner of advance care planning, including key questions and
considerations, important steps, and suggested people to talk to.

‘’(B) An explanation by the practitioner of advance directives, including living wills and durable powers of attorney, and their uses.

‘’(C) An explanation by the practitioner of the role and responsibilities of a health care proxy.

‘’(D) The provision by the practitioner of a list of national and State-specific resources to assist consumers and their families with advance care planning, including the national toll-free hotline, the ad-

P. 426

vance care planning clearinghouses, and State legal service organizations (including those funded through the Older Americans Act of 1965).

‘’(E) An explanation by the practitioner of the continuum of end-of-life services and supports available, including palliative care and hospice, and benefits for such services and supports that are available under this title.

‘’(F)(i) Subject to clause (ii), an explanation of orders regarding life sustaining treatment or similar orders, which shall include—

‘’(I) the reasons why the development of such an order is beneficial to the individual and the individual’s family and the reasons why such an order should be updated periodically as the health of the individual changes;

‘’(II) the information needed for an individual or legal surrogate to make informed decisions regarding the completion of such an order; and

‘’(III) the identification of resources that an individual may use to determine the requirements of the State in which such individual resides so that the treatment wishes of that individual will be carried out if the individual is un-

P. 427

able to communicate those wishes, including requirements regarding the designation of a surrogate decisionmaker (also known as a health care proxy).

‘’(ii) The Secretary shall limit the requirement for explanations under clause (i) to consultations furnished in a State—

‘’(I) in which all legal barriers have been addressed for enabling orders for life sustaining treatment to constitute a set of medical orders respected across all care settings; and

‘’(II) that has in effect a program for orders for life sustaining treatment described in clause (iii).

‘’(iii) A program for orders for life sustaining treatment for a States described in this clause is a program that—

‘’(I) ensures such orders are standardized and uniquely identifiable throughout the State;

‘’(II) distributes or makes accessible such orders to physicians and other health professionals that (acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law) may sign orders for life sustaining treatment;

P. 428

‘’(III) provides training for health care professionals across the continuum of care about the goals and use of orders for life sustaining treatment; and

‘’(IV) is guided by a coalition of stakeholders includes representatives from emergency medical services, emergency department physicians or nurses, state long-term care association, state medical association, state surveyors, agency responsible for senior services, state department of health, state hospital association, home health association, state bar association, and state hospice association.

‘’(2) A practitioner described in this paragraph is—

‘’(A) a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)); and

‘’(B) a nurse practitioner or physician’s assistant who has the authority under State law to sign orders for life sustaining treatments.

‘’(3)(A) An initial preventive physical examination under subsection (WW), including any related discussion during such examination, shall not be considered an advance care planning consultation for purposes of applying the 5-year limitation under paragraph (1).

P. 429

‘’(B) An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.

‘’(4) A consultation under this subsection may include the formulation of an order regarding life sustaining treatment or a similar order.

‘’(5)(A) For purposes of this section, the term ‘order regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual that—

‘’(i) is signed and dated by a physician (as defined in subsection (r)(1)) or another health care
professional (as specified by the Secretary and who is acting within the scope of the professional’s authority under State law in signing such an order, including a nurse practitioner or physician assistant) and is in a form that permits it to stay with the individual and be followed by health care professionals and providers across the continuum of care;

P. 430

‘’(ii) effectively communicates the individual’s preferences regarding life sustaining treatment, including an indication of the treatment and care desired by the individual;

‘’(iii) is uniquely identifiable and standardized within a given locality, region, or State (as identified by the Secretary); and

‘’(iv) may incorporate any advance directive (as defined in section 1866(f)(3)) if executed by the individual.

‘’(B) The level of treatment indicated under subparagraph (A)(ii) may range from an indication for full treatment to an indication to limit some or all or specified interventions. Such indicated levels of treatment may include indications respecting, among other items—

‘’(i) the intensity of medical intervention if the patient is pulse less, apneic, or has serious cardiac or pulmonary problems;

‘’(ii) the individual’s desire regarding transfer to a hospital or remaining at the current care setting;

‘’(iii) the use of antibiotics; and

‘’(iv) the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration.’’.

P. 431


51 posted on 07/17/2009 4:37:38 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well people were warned not to vote for Zerobama


52 posted on 07/17/2009 4:37:52 PM PDT by Kaslin (Acr“I will go around the country on behalf of candidates onym for 0bama: One Big Ass Mistake Americ)
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To: Jim Robinson

"You have been selected to go to 'The Island'...."

53 posted on 07/17/2009 4:41:50 PM PDT by BossLady ("WE are the origin of all coming evil" ~~ Carl Jung~~)
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To: Jim Robinson

During the mandatory counseling, they’ll ask you if you’ve ever considered suicide and if you say yes, the record will say you’re emotionally unbalanced and it’s too dangerous for you to own a firearm.

So then they’ll come and take away all your firearms.

There was an article a few weeks back to the effect that in Veteran’s Hospitals, patients were asked personal questions, like have you considered suicide. Gun owners became alarmed about this.


54 posted on 07/17/2009 4:45:08 PM PDT by randita
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To: Jim Robinson

This is beginning to sound familiar. If I agree, does my family get $25,000. What about the part with the 72 virgins. Oh, and where do I buy the suicide belt?


55 posted on 07/17/2009 4:50:42 PM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH
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To: freedomwarrior998

Oh my Sweet Lord. What have *we* become? :^(


56 posted on 07/17/2009 4:52:30 PM PDT by Shelayne (Palin/Big Jim Thompson 2012)
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To: Jim Robinson; Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; ...

The list, ping


57 posted on 07/17/2009 4:53:18 PM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Jim Robinson

I READ the bill and while themandatory counseling every five years is there, and more often if you are “sick”, there is nothing on assisted suicide.

I do think we don’t fight a battle well with untruths.

I would not put this past them burt THERE IS NOTHING IN THE BILL ON ASSISTED SUICIDE.


58 posted on 07/17/2009 4:53:18 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Jim Robinson
Obama voters won't bat an eyelash over this. It's almost as if he was throwing them a bone as they honestly believe that it's humane.

It's the change they voted for.

59 posted on 07/17/2009 4:55:52 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (Sarahnoia will destroy yah...)
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To: Jim Robinson

bookmark


60 posted on 07/17/2009 4:57:16 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. 2010 awaits.....)
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To: Jim Robinson

If this is the case, shouldn’t Ted Kennedy attend mandatory suicide counseling? He’s circling the drain.


61 posted on 07/17/2009 4:58:29 PM PDT by goldi (')
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To: Blue State Insurgent

Actually i think they do this already iwth advanced directives. At least every time I go to the hospital for chemo they ask me about this. I get huffy and they back off.

Lots of olders like this,,their fear is treatment that drags on with tubes, etc.

But to say this has assisted suicde in it is a lie,,and reflects poorly on honest people.


62 posted on 07/17/2009 4:59:31 PM PDT by cajungirl (no)
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To: Jim Robinson

bookmark


63 posted on 07/17/2009 5:02:11 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy. 2010 awaits.....)
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To: Jim Robinson

Whoa Baby,went from womb to the elderly faster than we thought.


64 posted on 07/17/2009 5:02:44 PM PDT by fatima (Free hugs today :).)
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To: cajungirl
Even if it's merely implied, I fear the slippery slope.
65 posted on 07/17/2009 5:08:02 PM PDT by Blue State Insurgent (Sarahnoia will destroy yah...)
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To: Jim Robinson
Here is a early release of the Assisted Suicide script, just revealed by unnamed sources who are risking Assisted Suicide if they are found out:

Mr/Mrs/Miss _______________, I am instructing you, as a representative of your government, that your 65th anniversary has arrived and it is now mandatory, as required by US Instruction Code 44000-666-XYZ, to schedule your termination date. You will be required to sign document US Form 23XYZ440-666-U that gives that termination date.

Do you understand the requirement for you?

Upon you signature, if you fail to report back to Federal Group Health Station 666, all terms of this agreement will be in effect by default. Law enforcement officials will be notified and you will be arrested and you will be forced to comply with these requirements within 24 hours. In addition to Termination by default, you will not have the benefit of your family being present for your goodby ceremony. You will be terminated on our terms and all provisions of this agreement will be in effect by default.

Upon your signature verification of this agreement, you will have released your tissues and investigation by the county medical examiner's office pursuant to this act, the county medical examiner or his or her designee shall take charge of the body according to criteria established by the nearest federally designated organ procurement organization, may be suitable for donation or for the donation of physical parts, the county medical examiner or his or her designee shall, in a timely manner as prescribed under subsection (2), contact the federally designated organ procurement organization or its successor organization. If contacted by the federally designated organ procurement organization or the eye and tissue organization, or both, the county medical examiner shall enter into an agreement with the federally designated organ procurement organization and the eye and tissue organization that coordinates the recovery and allocation of anatomical donations in that county. The agreement shall outline the procedures and protocols of each party to assure that transplantable organs, tissues, and eyes are obtained from potential donors. The agreement shall provide that if any extraordinary medical examinations are necessary prior to the removal of organs, tissues, or eyes, the organization shall cover those costs. The county medical examiner or his or her designee may release any information to the federally designated organ procurement organization or eye and tissue organization that is necessary to identify potential organ, tissue, or eye donors and seek consent for such donations in accordance with part 101 of the public health code, No 666 4U , MCL 333.10101 to 333.10109. A county medical examiner or his or her designee shall not discuss the option of organ donation with any individual with the authority to make a gift under section 10102 of the public health code, 1978 US 368, MCL 333.10102.

Do you understand?

Sign the document US Form 23XYZ440-666-U.

Open your mouth.

Swallow.

/sarc.

Note, I had difficulty keeping my dog from lifting his leg up to the monitor.

Time to walk my dog.

66 posted on 07/17/2009 5:14:01 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The Obama Administration is a blueprint for Fabian Socialism.)
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To: mockingbyrd

Dear God will come back with a vengenance big time!!! how dare they play God!!


67 posted on 07/17/2009 5:14:09 PM PDT by angelcindy ("If you follow the crowd,you get no further than the crowd")
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To: Jim Robinson

These are about the sickest f***ks I’ve ever seen in my life.


68 posted on 07/17/2009 5:15:56 PM PDT by TomServo
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To: Habibi
>>>Does anyone have a link to this document?<<<

Of course not. Obama administration has refused to post bills before they are voted on - in spite of their promise to do so prior to the election.

Hell, remember the Cap and Trade - it wasn't even finished being written before it was passed by the House.

You are witness to a criminal enterprise in Washington DC.

69 posted on 07/17/2009 5:21:07 PM PDT by HardStarboard ("The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the urge to rule - Mencken knew Obama)
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To: Jim Robinson

This isn’t surprising. In Obama’s poorly-watched infomercial on ABC, he was asked about cutting cost and, specifically, if old people would get major surgery as they do now and he said, essentially, that granny might not get surgery if it can’t be economically justified. Maybe she’d just get painkillers.

Why our side doesn’t just run ads of that clip, I don’t know. Maybe ABC won’t give permission. But Obama has already laid out how he plans to cut costs and part of it is less end-of-life options for the elderly.


70 posted on 07/17/2009 5:22:19 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: Tarpon
No unemployment problems for this sector.


71 posted on 07/17/2009 5:28:48 PM PDT by henbane
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To: SVTCobra03

"Hello! I'm from the government and I'm here to help you..."

72 posted on 07/17/2009 5:29:34 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (YES WE CAN have a Depression.)
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To: 353FMG

Consider a certain senior senator with terminal brain cancer. He is being treated, I believe, at our expense. Doing a cost-benefit analysis, is the continuation of his very expensive medical care really a wise use of dwindling resources? Hmmm?


73 posted on 07/17/2009 5:31:23 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Sprit of '76)
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To: Jim Robinson
Guess that means another honorary degree from Notre Dame.
74 posted on 07/17/2009 5:33:33 PM PDT by Jacob Morgan
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To: cajungirl

I READ the bill and while themandatory counseling every five years is there, and more often if you are “sick”, there is nothing on assisted suicide.
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I’m not having any mandatory meetings with any of that pinko’s government thugs. They come knocking on my door, they will be told to take their Communist as*es and get off of my property. END OF STORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


75 posted on 07/17/2009 5:34:16 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: plain talk

Nope, the only way with their plan they can save money is reduce people. Science czar Holdren is the architect.

Abort the young, kill the old, save lots of money.

Why do they need 1000 pages, just slap a title page of the Nazi’s eugenics plan and vote.

In fact couldn’t we save money by replacing Congress and the pres with a nickle flipping machine? 101 tosses, winner takes all, write the bill later, no one reads it anyway before voting, so the winner gets a clean sheet of paper to make it up.

And we haven’t even gotten to the racism in the health care bill.


76 posted on 07/17/2009 5:37:24 PM PDT by Tarpon (You abolish your responsibilities, you surrender your rights.)
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To: Cementjungle

>>>So how many “counselors”<<<

Well, if we insist that they demonstrate the process on themselves, it could take a whole bunch - danged liberals are slow learners.


77 posted on 07/17/2009 5:38:17 PM PDT by DelaWhere (Support Cap 'n Trade - CAP TAXES & SPENDING. TRADE CONGRESS FOR REAL PUBLIC SERVANTS.)
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To: ArmyTeach

He is not on SS and none of these elites are. They expect you to die after you start drawing SS but they want to live forever because their worth to the country is so much more than yours.

Be a good and obedient boy and die as soon as you receive your first SS check. Hussein loves you.


78 posted on 07/17/2009 5:45:28 PM PDT by 353FMG (Death is Life without Freedom.)
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To: Jim Robinson

If this passes, then, men, it will be TIME.


79 posted on 07/17/2009 5:45:44 PM PDT by Quickgun
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To: Jim Robinson

Okay, now is goes from “take your pain pill you worthless piece of old bones”
to “let’s see how we can make your departure a little faster” because others need your air space and of course we’ll still tax the hell out of you.


80 posted on 07/17/2009 5:48:55 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (-0 retreats, Iraq explodes! NK fires missiles! Iran erupts! China erupts!)
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To: TribalPrincess2U

You should have heard the woman on Mark Levin today talking about all this.
I don’t know who she was but what she had to say was beyond scary.


81 posted on 07/17/2009 5:50:50 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (-0 retreats, Iraq explodes! NK fires missiles! Iran erupts! China erupts!)
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To: devolve

Soon they won’t need to.


82 posted on 07/17/2009 5:52:25 PM PDT by potlatch
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To: DelaWhere

counselors = jobs

uh huh


83 posted on 07/17/2009 5:52:49 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (-0 retreats, Iraq explodes! NK fires missiles! Iran erupts! China erupts!)
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To: All
They are also going to have access to ALL your records even if you don't apply:

(a) IN GENERAL.—Paragraph (19) of section 6103(l) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 is amended to read as follows:

‘‘(19) DISCLOSURES TO FACILITATE IDENTIFICATION OF INDIVIDUALS LIKELY TO BE INELIGIBLE FOR LOW-INCOME SUBSIDIES UNDER MEDICARE PRESCRIPTION DRUG PROGRAM TO ASSIST SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION’S OUTREACH TO ELIGIBLE INDIVIDUALS.—

‘‘(A) IN GENERAL.—Upon written request from the Commissioner of Social Security, the following return information (including such in formation disclosed to the Social Security Administration under paragraph (1) or (5)) shall be disclosed to officers and employees of the Social Security Administration, with respect to any taxpayer identified by the Commissioner of Social Security— ‘‘(i) return information for the applicable year from returns with respect to wages (as defined in section 3121(a) or 3401(a)) and payments of retirement income (as described in paragraph (1) of this subsection),

‘‘(ii) unearned income information and income information of the taxpayer from partnerships, trusts, estates, and subchapter S corporations for the applicable year, ‘‘(iii) if the individual filed an income tax return for the applicable year, the filing status, number of dependents, income from farming, and income from self-employment, on such return, ‘‘(iv) if the individual is a married individual filing a separate return for the applicable year, the social security number (if reasonably available) of the spouse on such return, ‘‘(v) if the individual files a joint return for the applicable year, the social security number, unearned income information, and income information from partnerships, trusts, estates, and subchapter S corporations of the individual’s spouse on such return, and ‘‘(vi) such other return information relating to the individual (or the individual’s spouse in the case of a joint return) as is prescribed by the Secretary by regulation as might indicate that the individual is likely to be ineligible for a low-income prescription drug subsidy under section 1860D–14 of the Social Security Act.

‘‘(B) APPLICABLE YEAR.— For the purposes of this paragraph, the term ‘applicable year’ means the most recent taxable year for which information is available in the Internal Revenue Service’s taxpayer information records.

‘‘(C) RESTRICTION ON INDIVIDUALS FOR WHOM DISCLOSURE MAY BE REQUESTED.—The Commissioner of Social Security shall request information under this paragraph only with respect to— ‘‘(i) individuals the Social Security Administration has identified, using all other reasonably available information, as likely to be eligible for a low-income prescription drug subsidy under section 1860D–14 of the Social Security Act and who have not applied for such subsidy, and ‘‘(ii) any individual the Social Security Administration has identified as a spouse of an individual described in clause (i).

84 posted on 07/17/2009 5:53:45 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: randita

“...they’ll ask you if you’ve ever considered suicide...”

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And if your answer is no, they’ll call you a selfish SOB for breathing the air that those who are not on SS are entitled to.
With this imposter in the WH we are worse off than the Europeans that we so often make fun of. I think that the first to die should be those who voted for him.


85 posted on 07/17/2009 5:54:18 PM PDT by 353FMG (Death is Life without Freedom.)
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To: randita

Nope, won’t take away my firearms. Might take them off me.


86 posted on 07/17/2009 5:56:12 PM PDT by Quickgun
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To: cajungirl

>>>I do think we don’t fight a battle well with untruths.<<<

Hmmm, do you suppose they are going to give you a pep talk?

Way to go - hang in there - I’ll be back to see you in 5 years.

DON’T THINK SO! Do you???

More like - ‘I don’t want to come back in 5 years and see you still here.’ Take it any way you want - that is the message.


87 posted on 07/17/2009 5:56:27 PM PDT by DelaWhere (Support Cap 'n Trade - CAP TAXES & SPENDING. TRADE CONGRESS FOR REAL PUBLIC SERVANTS.)
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To: angelcindy

Our God has warned us for the last 50 years about these clowns but we have ignored Him and have been busy to remove Him from our society and replace Him with allah. God can only help those who help themselves.


88 posted on 07/17/2009 5:59:28 PM PDT by 353FMG (Death is Life without Freedom.)
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To: Jim Robinson

OMG people go listen to McCaughey Interview

It’s even worse then we thought!


89 posted on 07/17/2009 6:07:25 PM PDT by TribalPrincess2U (-0 retreats, Iraq explodes! NK fires missiles! Iran erupts! China erupts!)
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To: Woebama

Isn’t she the one who first noticed where this was headed and reported via Bloomberg?


90 posted on 07/17/2009 6:08:14 PM PDT by JavaJumpy (Go get 'em, Sarah! http://www.howobamagotelected.com)
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To: Jim Robinson
Every 5 years

If only.

‘‘(B) An advance care planning consultation with respect to an individual may be conducted more frequently than provided under paragraph (1) if there is a significant change in the health condition of the individual, including diagnosis of a chronic, progressive, life-limiting disease, a life-threatening or terminal diagnosis or life-threatening injury, or upon admission to a skilled nursing facility, a long-term care facility (as defined by the Secretary), or a hospice program.
Yeah, that's how I want to spend my dying days. Meeting with bureaucrats however frequently they want, to see if I might be enticed to sign a "life-sustaining care" order. Oh wait, the order doesn't have to be signed by me after all:
For purposes of this section, the term ‘order regarding life sustaining treatment’ means, with respect to an individual, an actionable medical order relating to the treatment of that individual that— ‘‘(i) is signed and dated by a physician...or another health care professional (as specified by the Secretary)
So presumably the same bureaucrats who determine how much drugs I get dispensed and when will be responsible for "effectively communicat[ing]" my "preferences regarding life-sustaining treatment".
91 posted on 07/17/2009 6:14:34 PM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA or lose reelection)
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To: cajungirl

Refusing “the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration” is suicide. Denying it is murder.


92 posted on 07/17/2009 6:17:40 PM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA or lose reelection)
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To: cmj328
"or another health care professional (as specified by the Secretary)"

No problem. The night shift janitor can help you with your decision.

93 posted on 07/17/2009 6:18:01 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/jimrobfr)
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To: cmj328

New Tagline


94 posted on 07/17/2009 6:18:36 PM PDT by cmj328 (Filibuster FOCA--a/k/a this "Health" Bill--or lose reelection)
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To: MamaDearest
The only thing missing from the democrats health plan is experimentation on captive citizens.

This time it will be tested in the "relocation vans" for registered sex offenders.

And *nobody* (including FReepers) will complain until the precedent, established and assented (by the FReepers & co) expands to include them.

The more we learn the more it is comparable to Hitler's regime.

Comparable? It's here already. This country's public has aloready sold its birthright for a mess (promise) of pottage (illusory safety), FReepers and all.

We may reap what they have sown -- just pray we don't.

95 posted on 07/17/2009 6:19:18 PM PDT by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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To: JavaJumpy

Isn’t she the one who first noticed where this was headed and reported via Bloomberg?
______________________________

She really hurt Clintons health care bill — she found most of the horror stories (the affirmative action brain surgeons in the bill were my favorite, as I remember it the bill wanted Eskimos). I think she was working for Manhatten something think tank then.


96 posted on 07/17/2009 6:34:14 PM PDT by Woebama (Never, never, never quit)
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To: mlizzy

ping health care plan


97 posted on 07/17/2009 6:53:33 PM PDT by TNoldman (Conservative Values FOREVER!)
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To: cajungirl
I agree there is no explicit reference to assisted but I feel the bill's language may create an “opt in” requirement for life sustaining treatment. Most hospitals now default to an all available treatment policy unless an advance directive specifically directs a DNR status. This bill may reverse that policy by statute and allow people to die absent specific documentation to the contrary. Not exactly assisted suicide but no action is required to forego treatment. JMO
98 posted on 07/17/2009 7:12:12 PM PDT by JrsyJack (There's a little Jim Thompson in all of us)
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To: Dysart

Every attempt to make Congress Commies bendover and take Zerocare for THEIR healthcare has been defeated so far in committees. I doubt the amendment to force Congress to belly up to the assisted suicide bar (along with the other measures of ZEROCARE) will see the light of day before the full House and the full Senate.

But ZERO is determined to ram this through Congress without giving Americans time to digest it and discuss it.

God help us!


99 posted on 07/17/2009 7:16:00 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: cmj328

“Refusing “the use of artificially administered nutrition and hydration” is suicide.”

I believe no less than the Catholic Church would argue with you on that point, for what it is worth.


100 posted on 07/17/2009 7:23:31 PM PDT by Habibi
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