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If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do?
Prior thread ^ | July 18, 2009 | Jim Robinson

Posted on 07/18/2009 11:30:17 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Edited on 07/18/2009 11:48:33 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

* * R O U G H * * D R A F T * *

(continuing my remarks from prior thread)

Here is our recourse as declared by our Founding Fathers:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

It cannot be denied that the central government has become destructive of our unalienable rights to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and our rights to live free. The government is no longer responsive to we the People. They have stretched and shredded the constitution to the point that they have illegally seized for themselves virtually unlimited powers over the citizens and act as if we have no rights and no powers of our own. They are acting without our consent.

Our Founders established that when our government becomes destructive of our rights then it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

We have reached the point where the government's long train of abuses and usurpations has achieved absolute Despotism, therefore it is our right, it is our duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for our future security.

Therefore, We the People of America choose to exercise our right to throw off and alter the abusive government by peacefully recalling and removing from office the President of the United States, the Vice President of the United States and all U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives effective immediately.

An interim provisional Chief Executive and congressional representatives will be established as follows:

The Secretary of State shall immediately assume the office of interim Chief Executive. The Chief Executive shall appoint and the interim Senate shall confirm an interim Vice President.

An immediate election shall be held within each state legislature to appoint two interim senators to represent each sovereign state.

A special election shall be held by all states within 30 days to elect interim members of the House of Representatives.

Elections for regular government offices shall be conducted in November, 2010 as previously scheduled, except that elections will be held for all elective offices, including President, Vice President and all U.S. Representatives. U.S. Senators will be elected per class schedule by the various state legislatures.

We alter the government to provide new Guards for our future security as follows:

The Constitution of the United States must be kept intact and must be adhered to and strictly followed by all government entities as originally intended. The government has stretched the constitutional limits well beyond those intended by our founders. We must take steps to ensure that this is corrected and that the out of control government is reined in and that sufficient measures are introduced to maintain the limits, checks and balances on government and that government powers are strictly limited to those enumerated in the constitution and that our rights are reestablished, reaffirmed, re-secured and safeguarded. We must restore and reestablish the sovereignty of the people and the states and restore the constitutional balances between the central government, the various states and we the people. The constitution severely restricts government powers and guarantees unalienable freedom and Liberty to the people.

As we restore constitutionally limited government several wrongs must be righted:

The central government has illegally expanded its powers. They've done this by ignoring or stretching their constitutional limits. They have usurped powers limited to the states and the people. We must reestablish and reaffirm the enumerated powers and limit the central government strictly to just those powers. They've built huge power bases by allowing senators and representatives to be full time professional career positions. We eliminate this by establishing strict qualifications for office and term limits.

We must reestablish and reaffirm the powers to the states and the people as defined by the 9th and 10th amendments.

The central government has denied the states their constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government by introducing the 17th amendment which alters the way the senators which were to represent the sovereign interests of the various states to the central government. We must reestablish that representation by repealing the 17th amendment and allowing the state legislatures of the various states to elect their own senators as intended by our founders. This was never intended to be a function of the people. We the People are represented to the central government by our elected representatives in the House of Representatives. The sovereign states were to be represented by the state's senators to keep central powers and encroachment in check. Power is from the people to the states, and from the states to the central government. They've turned this upside down and inside out. We must correct it.

We hereby repeal the 17th amendment.

The central government has expanded well beyond the limits established for it by the founders and pay for that expansion by directly taxing the people and severely restricting our rights through an enslaving income tax.

We hereby repeal the 16th amendment.

The IRS and all sub departments and agencies are hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed.

The newly elected congress will establish rules and schedules for assessing and collecting fees, tariffs and excise taxes to support the armed forces and all constitutionally authorized departments of The United States Government per the Constitution of the United States (see schedule).

The central government is hereby stripped of all illegal powers and all departments and agencies not authorized by the constitution are hereby dissolved and disbanded. Their current budgets are hereby withdrawn. All disbanded department funds and liquid assets are to be immediately returned to the US Treasury. A list and methods for achieving this is provided in schedule xxx.

Ownership and responsibility for all federally held buildings, lands, parks, waterways, oceans, seas, etc, other than those in Washington, D.C. or military bases, forts, reservations, or local federal buildings owned by valid constitutional federal departments (see schedule) are hereby transferred to the sovereign state governments within which they reside or are located.

Responsibility for all natural resources found within any of the various states or within lands, oceans, lakes, rivers, waterways, seas out through our international boundary limits are hereby returned to the various states. All laws for mining, drilling, logging, or otherwise capitalizing on any minerals or natural resources are to be determined by the various states within which said resources are found.

The social security system is hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed. All social security funds being held by the federal government are to be returned to the private retirement accounts of the individuals owning them. A special fund will be establish for all current recipients and new recipients according to schedule xxy and the social security system shall be phased out accordingly. The funds to support current social security benefits shall become the responsibility of the states within which the recipients reside.

No revenues accruing to the federal government shall be disbursed to any state, city or local government for any reason whatsoever. Or used to subsidize or benefit any government or private entity, organization or person, other than those explicitly authorized and enumerated in the constitution.

All states are hereby solely responsible for any and all revenues or funds required to operate their sovereign states. The central government is not obligated to and shall not interfere in state government or local affairs.

The interstate commerce clause shall be applied strictly to regulating interstate commerce as originally established and intended by our founders. No stretches or reinterpretations of any kind shall be allowed.

Our first unalienable right is the right to life. Protecting Life and Liberty shall be of paramount importance to our central government. Roe v Wade and all congressional acts, regulations, court opinions allowing legalized abortion or the taking of innocent human life are hereby rescinded, overruled, repealed, nullified and voided. Life is fully protected by the U.S. Government.

The Federal Reserve.

Border security.

Medicare.

FAA, FDA, FCC, various federal ABC departments agencies and agencies. Which to close, which to remake with constitutional limits and authority, etc.

Federal Pensions.

Etc, etc, etc.

Need lots of help with this document, folks. Please chime in. Would love to see a committee formed of members of every state to complete and finalize it. Then we should form and send delegates to a special national congress to work out the kinks and plan its presentation and execution.

This concept is an entirely peaceful altering of our despotic government per our unalienable right and duty. No where do I call for violence. The only force I call for is the force of numbers. We need millions of our citizens to sign on to this petition and execute its provisions. Will require millions to march on D.C. to block the government's ability to do business as usual. This is our right and duty as Americans.


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To: Jim Robinson
It is a rallying point, a "movement" if you will, to give voice to the angry peasants (us) who remember America. And not a whit too soon. I hope some of us will contribute.

To all:

Just complaining about how bad things are and reminiscing on the "good ole days" isn't going to effect change. Jim, as the founder of FR and in a unique position to do so, has kicked the snowball ball rolling here, and it's up to us to build upon it. Remember the pen is mightier than the sword, and now is the time to put all of our gifts - in law, in economics, in American history, in prosaic art, in vision to the future - to real, effective use. You want to make a DIFFERENCE, this is a real chance to do so: by using your talents to help forge the VISION.

Remember, if you will, the inspiration of the Contract with America many years ago. This is like that, and it comes at a time when conservatives, seeking a PERSON, really need a VISION or IDEA around which to rally. The PERSON will come in due time.

Everybody on board?


451 posted on 07/19/2009 12:33:33 AM PDT by Lexinom
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To: reasonisfaith; Winstons Julia; Jim Robinson; Neil E. Wright
"Put forth in a way that makes it real and stirs emotions."

Yes, bring it home to Joe-Soccor-Mom so they can understand what they are losing in their little self-absorbed world. Make it very plain and easily understood what they are losing almost weekly because they voted for some "cool" guy. Let them know in the plainest of terms how the erosion of Constitutional rights will eventually affect them.

452 posted on 07/19/2009 12:40:18 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (An Oath is Forever)
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To: Jim Robinson
The toughest pill is this: Federal Pensions. Many who have served in the Military and who have worked in intelligence and other national defense positions have worked at Federal Jobs which "provide for the common Defense", a Constitutionally mandated duty of the Federal Government. Some of these people could have made more in the private sector, some were prevented from going there by the government. I think the litmus test for Federal Pensions should be one of whether the job entailed duties which are Constitutionally the province of the Federal Government.

I am not including the exhorbitant pensions of the Congress, nor the lifelong benefits package they have voted themselves, either.

453 posted on 07/19/2009 1:02:59 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Jim Robinson

We don’t have The Iranian Spirit to march against our rulers.

I am so old I recall it used to be called the American Spirit.

Or the Spirit of 1776.

Heck, I remember the saying, “safe as a baby in its mothers womb too!”

Well, I digress, anyone know who won Dancing with the Stars this week ?


454 posted on 07/19/2009 4:11:24 AM PDT by NoLibZone (North Korea? The only buildings in Hawaii at risk of destruction are those housing Obama's records!)
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To: Mariner

“The political establishment MUST fear the people.”

How right you are concerning this.

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to preserve or obtain liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them.”

It isn’t the use of this force, but the willingness to use it that strikes fear in the tyrants heart.


455 posted on 07/19/2009 4:58:11 AM PDT by stockpirate (The movement to take back America has already started, Sarah is her name.)
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To: Mariner

“The political establishment MUST fear the people.”

How right you are concerning this.

“A people unwilling to use extreme violent force to preserve or obtain liberty deserves the tyrants that rule them.”

It isn’t the use of this force, but the willingness to use it that strikes fear in the tyrants heart.


456 posted on 07/19/2009 4:58:53 AM PDT by stockpirate (The movement to take back America has already started, Sarah is her name.)
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To: usconservative

Well said, I’d co-sign that.


457 posted on 07/19/2009 5:47:41 AM PDT by KTM rider ( revolution is the only thing that can save us now)
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To: Jim Robinson

A few more for the wish list...

If it hasn’t been mentioned yet, stop funding of the U.N. Rescind “diplomatic immunity.” All people legally in the United States should be subject to our laws. No exceptions. Just as we are subject to theirs.

Also, cease foreign aid “loan guarantees” and cash assistance. We should not be “bribing” other countries to behave with taxpayer money, nor guaranteeing loans that they may take out against the United States’ “full faith and credit.”

The example we set in the world should be enough for other countries to want to follow our lead. If they require cash/loan guarantees to do so, they’re really not our allies.


458 posted on 07/19/2009 5:52:15 AM PDT by Sylvester McMonkey McBean
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To: Jim Robinson
“No we’re not going to go armed. That’d be nutz.”

I worry having that many unarmed Patriots in one place might be too tempting for Obama to resist. We might be used as an example to the rest of the nation.

I can hear it now, “Let me make this VERY clear, go against the authority invested in me and....”

459 posted on 07/19/2009 5:58:12 AM PDT by wolfcreek (KMTEXASA!)
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To: CodeToad

Why shouldn’t they have the opportunity? Many of these folks want to fight for freedom but don’t see that as likely if they join their home armies. Others want to earn citizenship, and I can’t think of a better way of doing it.

Should Von Steuben and Pulaski have stayed home?


460 posted on 07/19/2009 6:10:01 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (We're definitely in the Rise of the Empire era, but is Obama Valorum or Palpatine?)
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To: wolfcreek
So if everyone now begins their teargas training, one might march a bit longer.

Just go down and purchase some pepper spray and bottled water. Line up your family and given a good shot....then another.

Blindly, while choking, salivating, and crying, lean your heads back and administer the bottled water to the face.

Now, don't forget the thick pieces of card board in your torso and thigh areas to soften the impact of the rubber bullets.

Always....always pad up around the upper back and neck so not to give in after the first blow of the trudgeon.

461 posted on 07/19/2009 6:22:10 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Jim Robinson

Stand beside you in this.

suggestion:

Rather that have the two interim senators elected, have the two interim senators appointed by each respective state legislators, as this coincides with our desire is to abolish the 17th.


462 posted on 07/19/2009 6:34:44 AM PDT by woollyone (I believe God created me- you believe you're related to monkeys. Of course I laughed at you!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Unemployment will have to be dealt with at the state and local levels.

Respectfully beg to differ:

If the government at all levels would just get out of the way, I think unemployment could be dealt with most effectively at a personal level. People aren't stupid and would figure out what to do. Without such a massive tax and regulatory burden lots of opportunities would arise.

And any help could be organized by private charities.

That's how we used to do it, before government at all levels convinced us that we didn't know how.

463 posted on 07/19/2009 6:43:44 AM PDT by Red Boots
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To: P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson

>>”If I’m marching on Washington, I’m gonna bear arms.”<<

I don’t think we’re at that point quite yet. We need to show up with toy guns or cardboard/foam ones first. One million angry Patriots holding fake evil black rifles held high over our heads screaming for their heads would literally scare the crap out of them.

The D.C. sewer system would clog up so tight that it would take a nuclear powered Roto-Rooter to clear the pipes.

If that didn’t work, THEN we take it to the next step.


464 posted on 07/19/2009 6:50:31 AM PDT by panaxanax (Obama is an illegal alien.)
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To: Jim Robinson

JimRob wrote “The central government has denied the states their constitutionally guaranteed republican form of government by introducing the 17th amendment which alters the way the senators which were to represent the sovereign interests of the various states to the central government. We must reestablish that representation by repealing the 17th amendment and allowing the state legislatures of the various states to elect their own senators as intended by our founders.” I agree, repeal of the 17th is essential to once more establishing the balance of power between the several states and the federal establishment.

The 16th and 17th amendments were ratified in 1912, William Howard Taft, a Republican, was President. The Teddy Roosevelt and Howard Taft Republicans were known as Progressives in those days. The 17th amendment was ratified to make the Constitution more democratic. By altering the manner of the election of Senators, the principal mechanism employed by the framers of the Constitution to protect federalism was also altered. If we are to save our once glorious Republic federalism must be reestablished.

The 10th amendment is toothless and meaningless unless the states are represented, as entities, at the federal level. In the last analysis, the Constitution is a contract between three parties, the citizens, the states, and the federal establishment. The latter is guilty of a massive breach of contract, and the grievances of the remaining two parties must be redressed in some manner. The discussions on state sovereignty are high lighting the intent of the 10th amendment and the primacy of state’s rights. They are, after all, as important and fundamental to our civil government as our inalienable individual rights.

Thank you, Jim Robinson, for including revocation of the 16th and 17th amendments in your proposal. I am disappointed that thus far these particular items, among your thoughtful suggestions, have not received the attention they deserve.


465 posted on 07/19/2009 7:06:25 AM PDT by Parawan (Do we live in an Empire or a Republic? Ask yourself 'Do I feel like a subject or a Citizen?')
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives; All
people are more worried about their jobs (or lack of one) or being cut down in hours and paying bills TO DRIVE AND PROTEST/MARCH.

This is my thinking too regarding any protests at this time. Many people who are vehemently against the current administration would be unable to drive to protest BECAUSE of the administration's policies.
466 posted on 07/19/2009 7:15:30 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Jim Robinson
We hereby repeal the 16th amendment. The IRS and all sub departments and agencies are hereby dissolved, disbanded and closed.

IMO, it is baby steps.

This would need to come in time. Asking for that at the outset would relagate you to a "fringe" group at the very outset, and that would serve nobody's purpose.
467 posted on 07/19/2009 7:17:41 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Exactly. Alinsky tactic? get them when their down and can’t protest.


468 posted on 07/19/2009 7:17:49 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
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To: NoObamaFightForConservatives

Looks like it. The only question is whether it is purposefully done or not.


469 posted on 07/19/2009 7:19:52 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (If guns cause crime, then all of mine are defective!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, Please support my "YOU FIRST, CONGRESS" idea and put it in the sidebar.

This is demanding that Congress goes on the health care plan they want for us for 2-3 years and THEN we'll talk!

Pleae, Jim.....support the "YOU FIRST, CONGRESS" idea.

470 posted on 07/19/2009 7:24:17 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: IM2MAD
As I was coming to Free Republic just now, here’ are the first two topics to come up... If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do? Followed by Kill the Old People

Fancy that...similarly, As I was coming to Free Republic just now, here’ are the first two topics to come up... If we could get millions of Americans to march on Washington, what would we do? Followed by Kill All the Lawyers

471 posted on 07/19/2009 7:32:53 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Jim Robinson

Unless the attendees are armed they will be ignored. Fear is the only thing that will keep the gov’t from further infringement.

1,000,000 armed people with AR’s/AK’s, and openly carried handguns congregating on the national mall would have the desired effect.


472 posted on 07/19/2009 7:37:18 AM PDT by Dayman (My 1919a4 is named Charlotte. When I light her up she has the voice of an angel.)
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To: CRBDeuce

SELF-ADVERTISE — It is easy for each of us to advertise this event to help get the one million people to DC. Print out flyers at home and have them handy in your car. Place them at banks, libraries, book stores, restaurants. Wherever you go, just put one or two out there. Add website links so that people can get more information! I’m starting today!


473 posted on 07/19/2009 7:38:54 AM PDT by Docs Galore
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To: panaxanax

My Opinion:
Fake pitchforks, yes. Fake guns of any kind, NO!


474 posted on 07/19/2009 7:40:38 AM PDT by seekthetruth ("See You In DC From 9/11 - 9/13 At Our National Freeper Tea Party Convention!")
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To: Jeff Head; Quix; MarkL

ping


475 posted on 07/19/2009 7:42:43 AM PDT by stockpirate (The movement to take back America has already started, Sarah is her name.)
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To: Flint
unless the individual has lost a right because of the commission of a crime.

Unfortunately, Congress now has enough (millions) laws and regulations on the books to 'criminalize' any person in the country. Unfortunately the named leader 'Sec/y of State' has her FBI files on all of us...That name wouldn't have been at the top of MY list but JimRob is spot on with all else.

476 posted on 07/19/2009 7:43:34 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Jim Robinson
I would caution everyone that wants to march on Washington to visit this web site:

http://www.mdw.army.mil/mdwoperations.htm

Read around and past all the fluff and ceremonial stuff and pick out the real reason for it's existence.

One quote to pay attention to is, "Military District of Washington and its area counterparts formed as the Joint Force Headquarters National Capital Region, able, since September 2004, to stand up when called for as a Joint Task Force, for homeland defense and defense support to civil authorities challenges, whether natural or manmade."

477 posted on 07/19/2009 7:55:47 AM PDT by Flint
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To: SkyPilot

Evil and stupid is now way to go through life.


478 posted on 07/19/2009 8:00:18 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I say we wait 1-3 years.

1 million well fed and annoyed conservatives has less productive dynamic than 5 million small business owners who no longer have their small businesses and who have had to skip every other meal for the last 6-12 months.

I think the latter has a more productive dynamic.


479 posted on 07/19/2009 8:04:55 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Mr. Silverback

This nations defense is about this nation and her citizens. While it may help foreigners to join our army/navy, I don’t care about them. I am sick of hearing of what this nation should do based on what a foreigner wants. There are other ways to becoming a US citizen and selling citizenship using our army has got trouble written all over it.

One problem we have is that we can conduct foreign wars the people don’t want because who cares if a bunch of foreigners we don’t even know want to enlist. It doesn’t affect us as much if we and our familes don’t have to go.

If there is a war we the people believe in then we will enlist in a heartbeat. There is no need for foriegners to enlist.

Again, I have no doubt many foreigners have served with honor, including two of my roommates while I was military, but, once again, if there is a war this nation needs to fight then this nation’s citizens need to step up and do so. It is one way of controlling our elected officials from conducting wars we don’t want: They can try to send troops but if no one enlists then they ain’t got an army to send.

Also, should our out of control government seek to use the military against the people, we will be facing foreigners who have little ties to us, and they could easily recruit more if need be. A citizen army is far less likely to take orders to do this country any harm.

A major downfall of the Roman empire was that the citizens no longer displayed patriotism. They didn’t have to: Only the rich could be elected officials and the army were foreigners. They lived trying to duck taxes, regulation and tyranny, just like we are today.


480 posted on 07/19/2009 8:05:35 AM PDT by CodeToad (If it weren't for physics and law enforcement I'd be unstoppable!)
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To: Jim Robinson

JimRob, you’ve hit on such a great ‘strategy’ in this thread perhaps you may want a new thread for the ‘tactics’ of which Fed Agencies need be cut immediately. Then stick with your brilliant Constitution Restoration Strategy til finalized....that said,
What needs to disappear from FEDERAL government:

(as you implied) many ‘jack booted thug’ agencies....ATF (and its alphabet children), DEA, etc.
DOEd
DOEnergy ( a new ‘real’ National Energy Plan should be drafted by the Governors)
HHS
all Human Rights agencies
IRS (as JimRob said)
BLS
Census Bureau (I can live with the 2000 cencus for the next hundred or so years)
Dept of Commerce
...more to follow.

Just one caveat...the military (and vets) were short changed for decades after KGB stooges Cronkite and Carter got thru with their demonization. I would hate to see an unintended consequence of this valiant Constitution Restoration any significant downsizing of the VA (we’re finally treating our Vets right via 8 years of Bush). just say’n.


481 posted on 07/19/2009 8:07:18 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Flint

I’m not talking about filling the chambers.


482 posted on 07/19/2009 8:08:21 AM PDT by Polarik (Obama: When destroying America is not enough.)
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To: bayliving

ping


483 posted on 07/19/2009 8:10:48 AM PDT by stockpirate (The movement to take back America has already started, Sarah is her name.)
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To: Michael.SF.
Alternative: An assembly of the governors shall be convened to for the purpose of selecting an interim President and VP.

this'n I like!...and as in the old days the #1 vote getter would be pres, #2 the VP!

484 posted on 07/19/2009 8:10:51 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: dschapin
I cannot support trying to force a change of government outside of the normal electoral process - not unless the right to free elections is taken away.

Right, we still have free, FAIR elections with ACORN under investigation or indictment in 22 states after Obama stole the election.

485 posted on 07/19/2009 8:17:01 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: panaxanax
One million angry Patriots holding fake evil black rifles held high over our heads screaming for their heads would literally scare the crap out of them.

Fake?

That means we aren't really all that serious. The other side has been willing to go to jail and block buildings and burn REAL flags and if we aren't ready to go to jail or to break some illegal gun ban laws, then we aren't serious about taking this nation back to our roots.

I don't want to have to travel to DC more than once.

These people need to LITERALLY have the crap scared out of them and toy guns won't do it. If you don't want to stand there with a real gun over your head, then maybe Real Pitchforks and Real Torches might be a legitimate alternative, but these people need to have the fear of God put in them. They need to know that there are millions of true Americans who will mean it when they cry...

GIVE ME LIBERTY OR GIVE ME DEATH!

486 posted on 07/19/2009 8:22:02 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Islander7
Investigate ALL congress critters and jail as needed.

Wouldn't work...as a great man once said, "we put our petty thieves in jail, and elect the big thieves to public office"==AESOP. Great shortlist and a good start for Education! add: ban any teachings on global warming, PC, abolish teachers unions (I know you probably meant that in your general gummit union ban), ie, the NEA, the state EAs, county EAs, etc. also no government monies for Islamic teachings (or Scientology or other 'pseudo-religious' terrorist groups)

487 posted on 07/19/2009 8:24:57 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: voicereason
Any bill creating or modifying any law requires 75% affirming votes in the associated chamber to pass. Any vote to re-peal a law requires only a simple majority.

ahhh, the voice of reason!

488 posted on 07/19/2009 8:26:12 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: kabar

Most voters today have been bought and paid for by the Dims. Achieving the bulk of this would be very difficult. Making it even more so, would be the Supreme Court. But difficult does not imply impossible. So lets go for it.


489 posted on 07/19/2009 8:29:05 AM PDT by dbrew2u
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To: Jim Robinson
I’m just thinking it’s time to fire and replace them ALL!

Seconded....of course, there'll be some minor collateral damage.

490 posted on 07/19/2009 8:32:24 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: El Gato

Yes - I know all about it... it was long long ago - “That was then - This is NOW...

There were no international T.V vans with satellite dishes broadcasting the event to the entire U.S. and the rest of the world, there were no cell phones - there were not digital cameras everywhere, there were not digital video cams everywhere.

The Administration and Congress could not take the heat of even a suggestion of abuse - it would be instantly broadcast on every cable news - Millions of Americans would be watching.

Therefore there will be no police crackdown of any substance...

If the police and military were ordered to do so and a big crackdown occurred -— hundreds of thousands of Americans would become incensed and would come running to D.C.

But, I believe the American Military would not take violent action against Americans in such a situation.

Oh - there would be attempts - at first - to handcuff and carry off citizens and that would go on for a while - until it became futile as tens of thousands of people simply circled them and made them leave.

A Throng of Millions cannot be stopped - that is the SECRET... if a million people do not want to be moved - they cannot be..

Throwing riot gas into a crowd of protesting U.S. Citizens would soon bring the U.S. Government to its knees and probably it would collapse.


491 posted on 07/19/2009 8:34:26 AM PDT by ICCtheWay
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To: snippy_about_it

Great post...add to that restoration of Property Rights. Review Emminent Domain to ensure it’s not used simply to ‘jack taxes’.


492 posted on 07/19/2009 8:34:59 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: lonevoice

ping


493 posted on 07/19/2009 8:38:51 AM PDT by Pride in the USA
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To: Jim Robinson

Great point....and it would be nice to have at least one Branch of Federal Government ‘with us’! Gonna be a large acorn army ‘against us’!!!


494 posted on 07/19/2009 8:38:58 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Flint

So - some of us would be hurt ... I’m willing to risk that...

50,000 troops cannot control 1,000,000 people who do not want to be moved.

It would be political suicide to tear gas tens of thousands of Americans — remember ‘The Whole World will be Watching’

I’m not afraid to lose blood on the streets...


495 posted on 07/19/2009 8:40:03 AM PDT by ICCtheWay
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To: El Gato
We've got upwards of 80 million armed Americans, guns are flying off the shelves, people are stocking up on massive amounts of ammunition, and still the clueless continue the march to Tyranny.

There's a reason guns and ammunition have been flying off the shelves since "the one" and ACORN stole the election: At least some with common sense have come to realize that the government no longer speaks for them, and has openly become their enemy.

This government is stealing our freedoms, the fruits of our labors, and our choices for healthcare, education, etc.. on a daily basis.

Many are quietly drawing the line in their own minds. They may not be speaking of "revolution" but I darn sure do think they're preparing for it.

Others (such as .. oh, myself) openly talk about it because I understand that I'm not supposed to fear the Government, the Government is supposed to fear US. That's what the founding fathers intended.

The founding fathers understood that they were the last line of defense between a cowering public, too afraid to fight the King, and the freedoms they sought not just for themselves, but for all those who came to this country with them. Fast forward to today, Patriots are the last line of defense between this tyrannical government and our Constitutionally guaranteed freedoms.

I'm frankly embarassed by some posters on this thread who don't get that simple point.

Our founding fathers didn't "work within King George's system" to try and make change. Once they realized that the King didn't care about them, their rights, their families, or the fruits of their labors they rebelled - and rightfully so.

In the meantime, those of us who support a revolution are being called "radicals" and worse. For that, I say THANK YOU! I count that a compliment in the spirt of Jefferson, Madison, Adams, Henry and Franklin. To those who think my (and others) views on this thread are "radical" I don't think the founding fathers would've given much thought about you or those who stand idly by, defend this government and preach "We have to do this Constitutionally" while this Government continues to tear down our Constitution on a daily basis. Did the Founding Fathers work within King Georges' "system?" HELL NO. They recognized CORRUPTION when they saw it, what in the hell is wrong with you?

I mean my God in Heaven, the People of Honduras understood it when their Constitution was being violated by their tyrannical ruler, what is wrong with people on this very form that they can't see that Obama is doing the exact same thing?

496 posted on 07/19/2009 8:40:23 AM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: El Gato

“Live on national TV isn’t public?”

Not the same. A live event with reporters in the midst of a million people is quite different...quite different...and could not be spun, no matter how hard they tried...I share your outrage...but his would NOT be the same thing...


497 posted on 07/19/2009 8:47:22 AM PDT by jessduntno ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction." - Ronald Reagan)
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To: Jim Robinson

unions...If you’re saying that the NLRB and Dept of Labor should be disbanded, I agree.


498 posted on 07/19/2009 8:54:23 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: oneolcop
The first rule of bureaucracy is to survive whatever the cost.

The Root of the problem...great post by the way. The overarching rule of government should be to First do no harm. Unfortunately, our laws are replete with unintended consequences (mostly harmful). Congress has failed miserably in this simple undeniable 'cause celebre'. So they continue to pass laws to fix the laws to fix the laws to fix the laws....previously passed. And here we are, a broken beyond repair gummit. And no one (with any integrity) wants to 'join in on the fun'.

499 posted on 07/19/2009 9:05:36 AM PDT by CRBDeuce (here, while the internet is still free of the Fairness Doctrine)
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To: Popman; Jim Robinson

Do we as well transfer the federal debt to the states
dividing the liabilities by each states population?
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I would say, “Yes”. And in addition to that,
I would like to see the annual federal budget proportioned
by number of representatives in the house back to the states.


500 posted on 07/19/2009 9:12:16 AM PDT by Repeal The 17th (I AM JIM THOMPSON!)
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