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1 posted on 07/20/2009 9:09:28 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem
I am so tired of the "Wild West" analogy. Like the article said, no state has repealed it once it was put in place. That pretty much clears it up for me.

I was hesitant at first, but once I got used to having my SD strapped on, it's just like another accessory now. Guns are not dangerous, idiots with guns are...

2 posted on 07/20/2009 9:13:42 AM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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PEORIA — Talk of bringing concealed-carry legislation to Illinois gives many residents a fear of the unknown.

It's only "unknown" because they are willfully ignorant of the decades upon decades of experience of states like Vermont and New Hampshire, which have not only among the most lax concealed carry laws in the nation, but also the lowest crime rates.

3 posted on 07/20/2009 9:14:09 AM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: neverdem
there have been many, many instances that I knew if the victim would have had a weapon to defend themselves, the outcome would have been quite different,"

While not a panacea it, at the very least, affords one the CHANCE to survive.

4 posted on 07/20/2009 9:14:18 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: neverdem; sit-rep; Squantos; Eaker; Joe Brower
Several local police chiefs and other personnel said putting fear into the minds of criminals on the streets is also one of the best arguments for allowing concealed carry.

"If you're not sure if a guy has a gun, you may not try to do some things to him that you might otherwise try to get away with," said Peoria police Officer Troy Skaggs, president of the Peoria Police Benevolent Union. "It's the fear of the unknown."

Am I dreaming?

5 posted on 07/20/2009 9:15:17 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (This tagline excerpted. To read more, click on MyOverratedBlog.com)
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To: neverdem

The state where crime is legal will NEVER pass this. What a shame because the innocent people are the ones that are hurt by these “Communist” laws!


6 posted on 07/20/2009 9:16:07 AM PDT by mikelets456
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Chicago’s Mayor might have a stroke.


7 posted on 07/20/2009 9:19:30 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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"I don't fear the average, law-abiding citizen wanting to apply for a permit," Settingsgaard said. "I fear guns in the hands of criminals and felons.

Statements like this always make we want to duct tape my head to keep it from exploding!

The criminals will ALWAYS have guns. They do not go through the process the law-abiding folks do to be able to carry a gun.

Why this is such a hard concept for way too many people to get is beyond me.

10 posted on 07/20/2009 9:23:30 AM PDT by basil
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------During a recent 10-week stint at the FBI's National Academy, which brought 250 worldwide law-enforcement executives to Quantico, Va., Peoria Police Chief Steven Settingsgaard said, "Everyone I spoke to was in favor of concealed carry."--

--I am astounded at this quote but delighted as I would have expected law enforcement "executives" to parrot the views of their mostly Demotraitor mayors.

Maybe being away from home helps---

12 posted on 07/20/2009 9:25:22 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: neverdem
Or... if you see a guy who doesn't look armed, you might try something anyway. Criminals aren't noted for being brave or overly smart.

I carry concealed when I'm out and about. I carry open where ever I can.

13 posted on 07/20/2009 9:26:35 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (III)
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Peoria is one heck of a lot better than Atlanta in that regard. Both the Mayor and the Chief of police (black Democrats) of Atlanta are rabidly anti-gun.


18 posted on 07/20/2009 9:33:10 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your most dangerous enemy is your own government,)
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Concealed carry works everywhere it’s been tried. Communist gun rants are all about disarming citizens so that they can be more easily subdued. They have nothing to do with any actual “safty” concerns.

The commies say guns kill and therefore should be banned. Well then why don’t we ban everything that kills—cars, baseball bats, knives, rocks, hands, feet and even abortionists.

It’s the same kind of non-linear logic that’s applied to legalizing drugs: People are gonna do it so lets legalize it so we can control it. Ok, where does that take us? People will always do bad things like stealing and killing. So let’s legalize them so we can control it.

Or how about the commie’s claim about the death penalty: It is not a deterrent to crime so outlaw it. First, that is unprovable. Second, following that logic, all laws outlawing any kind of behavior should be rescinded because they do no deter crime.

Totally diengenuously juvenile.


19 posted on 07/20/2009 9:37:42 AM PDT by dools007
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>> Several local police chiefs and other personnel said putting fear into the minds of criminals on the streets is also one of the best arguments for allowing concealed carry.

That’s how police leadership OUGHT to be talking!

Not like some of them I’ve heard that come out *against* citizens defending themselves with firearms.


23 posted on 07/20/2009 11:04:26 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Stop dissing drunken sailors! At least they spend their OWN money.)
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The gangbangers already have guns. This would allow law-abiding citizens to have them with mandatory training and background checks

I hope the training will allow the 'citizen' to hold an advantage over the 'banger' when it comes to a gun 'battle'.

See, having the right arm, knowing where to shoot (and when not to), knowing how to shoot under 'duress', and other training would give someone on 'defense' an advantage. These courses should be offered to those who'd like to exercise a right of very ancient origin. As an elective, they could offer "Building a Wheel" to those so inclined.

Ps: arming average citizens as the 2A envisioned (and our blind court monkeys refuse to comprehend) automatically puts "perps" on 'defense'- where they belong. "You feeling lucky today? "Well, are ya!?"

24 posted on 07/20/2009 5:35:55 PM PDT by budwiesest (The truth is about to set us free. Won't that be nice?)
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To: neverdem

For later.


26 posted on 07/20/2009 6:36:17 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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27 posted on 07/20/2009 8:43:27 PM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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"If you're not sure if a guy has a gun, you may not try to do some things to him that you might otherwise try to get away with," said Peoria police Officer Troy Skaggs, president of the Peoria Police Benevolent Union. " It's the fear of the unknown. "

Crooks are already carrying concealed weapons.

This just levels the playing field.

Also, citizens aren't held to the same standard as police. If a citizen feels their life is at risk they can just kill the guy.

30 posted on 07/21/2009 4:22:31 AM PDT by GOPJ (Conservatives: the "niche market," consisting of about half the population" - David Warren)
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