Posted on 07/22/2009 5:49:29 AM PDT by Kaslin
It’s true. One cannot set about to help your fellow man and be self absorbed at the same time.
Finally, one of the outspoken ladies in the group of 8 told the bi-polar that she was a jerk, a B$tch and a loser who turned off her family and now her friends.
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Speaking as the son of a bipolar woman (in the hospital now for said disorder), what your wife’s outspoken friend said is quite true.
A person in the midst of a manic episode is all that and more. Oh, and not in control of it, either.
The stories I could tell would curl your hair.
I have seen this same thing up close and personal. Since my dad passed last year, and with my mom having alienated just about everyone she was ever close to with her extremely erratic behavior (while off her meds), my sister and I are about the only people she has left, other than the complete strangers in the bars, restaurants and churches that she wanders into.
All it takes is a couple of days off the meds, and the damage is done.
No, it doesn't.
Cordially,
> The problem with people being bipolar is that so many of them like to add alcohol to the problem.
Excellent point. That happens alot. Or illicit drugs. People with Depression sometimes do it, too. Anything to “feel better”.
And, such as it is, alcohol is a fantastic — if crude — rudimentary short-term medicine: one of the best, cheapest, and easiest to obtain and administer. If we were living 200 years ago it would be what most doctors would prescribe for these disorders, because there would be nothing better.
But we live in the 21st Century and — as good as alcohol is as a medicine — its negative side-effects vastly outweigh any benefits that it can provide, given that there are much better alternative medicines.
There is come considerable speculation that many “alcoholics” aren’t actually physically addicted to alcohol at all (and thus not properly “alcoholic” by definition) but rather have undiagnosed mental illnesses that they are self-medicating with excessive amounts of alcohol.
Which is just as serious a problem, only with a different root cause and potentially a different treatment path.
What does this tell us? Well, what we know already: the various 12-step programs for treating alcoholism will work for something like 8% of all those who try them. These people, typically, are “physically addicted” to alcohol.
The remaining 92%-ish of people with “alcohol problems” perhaps for which the 12-step programs don’t work ought to investigate whether their alcohol overuse might be attributable to self-medicating a mental illness instead.
yep. I was "over-prescribed" Xanax by a doc a few years back....told me to take that for insomnia (stress-based), when a mild sleeping pill would have done the trick. Side effects scared me so much that I tossed the prescription after two days and tried "Tylenol PM". Problem solved, and I found a new doctor to boot.
There's a girl in my office who bragged about taking "2 or 3" Xanax a day "for depression". I don't get in the car with her, if she's driving when we go to lunch, and I make sure that I'm not in the office alone with her either.
Bad thing is that I'm sure she's not the only person like that who I deal with.
bttt
folks would do well to read this post and Diehard’s posts earlier in the thread before commenting. JMO.
If you are bi-polar, the LAST thing you want to do is lower your inhibitions.
It is silly for you to take offense and start calling people names because it hits home for you.
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I think you got what’s silly backwards. It is absurd for folks with absolutely no experience with clinical diseases like depression and bipolar disorder to come onto threads and suggest that it is sin, or bad behavior, or the desire to be happy all the time that is the behind folk’s bad behavior.
There is a massive amount of mood altering chemicals being adminstered to a whole bunch of people that do not need it.
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Agreed. But you might note that the tone of many of the posts on this thread just lump it all together, without any real sense of recognition that they cannot be all lumped together.
> If you are bi-polar, the LAST thing you want to do is lower your inhibitions.
Ttttrrrrruuuueeee... (hesitantly agreeing).
I think that would depend upon your cycle, wouldn’t it? If you were in the manic cycle, lowering your inhibitions probably isn’t a good idea from a personal safety viewpoint, but this might(?) be offset by alcohol’s depressant characteristics, slowing you down and mellowing you out.
In the depressed cycle, lowering your inhibitions probably wouldn’t be a bad thing, but slowing you down and mellowing you out would be the last thing you’d want or need.
Alcohol isn’t brilliant medicine for bipolar people. I find Lithium works great for me.
It’s not a disorder if it helps you get through the day. (She types compulsively.)
Thanks, Kaslin. My psych attendings in med school and residency loved to tweak meds. All but one of them used to get angry when I spoke to patients or them about changing/relearning behavior/habits in conjunction with medications.
Some people are just too crazy to reason with or to make and follow a plan. But most people are grateful for any ideas that help them “get through the day.”
Bi-Polar depression is directly linked to the mania, i.e., their uncontrolled behavior coming to an end and its consequences. They are inverse behaviors and wholly dependent upon one another.
Bi-Polar people are out of control. This is a completely different clinical depression albeit clinical depression frequently accompanies a Bi-Polar life.
And if you try really, really hard, you may find about 6 to 10 other people living in you that keep coming out, rofl.
And if that don't work, keep trying something else, autism perhaps.
Just keep trying until you find another symptom that the govt will subsidies. Works for farmers. lol
There is a lot to be said for behavior changes that allow depressed and anxious people to manage their symptoms. In fact, we stress “how have you coped, what has worked for you so far?”
Body and mind must both be addressed, if for no other reason than the fact that it will take some time for the medications to reach full effect.
The Lord offers grace.
Quite a few of us are peri- or post-AROWS*al (Age Related Ovarian Wastage Syndrome - my term for the hormonal changes of women of a certain age). (http://arowse.blogspot.com/ )
So watch it.
> The article references Bi-Polar disorder, not depression. Please focus upon the article and what posters are commenting on rather than knocking people from a tangental position thinking that is the article and thread’s area of discussion.
You are mistaken. Please read the article carefully before lecturing me on what I should/should not comment on. For your convenience please note the following extract from the article, where the author purports to address “depression, (manic or otherwise)”:
>> Just about everyone who really suffers from some form of depression (manic or otherwise) has something in common: He is engaged in self-centered conduct, which either a) actually caused the disorder (real or perceived), or b) greatly exacerbates the disorder (real or perceived).
I am all-too-well aware that the two conditions are different: for the record, I have both Clinical Depression and Bipolar Disorder, and am addressing both on this thread.
The author of this silly piece, however, is lumping the two together and, in my opinion, this is wrong.
> Bi-Polar people are out of control. This is a completely different clinical depression albeit clinical depression frequently accompanies a Bi-Polar life.
Bollix. I am not and never have been “out of control”, not even on my very worst manic cycle. I live a very normal and fully-functioning life, aided by appropriate medicine and therapy.
Kind regards
Before this woman started on her bi-polar civil war against her family and friends, she was a pleasure to be around.
Now she is like your mother. The women in my wife’s group, including my wife have gone out of their way to help this woman. She sounds very much like your mother.
If I know she might be at a function, I don’t go. My adult sons and DIL are like me in this sad situation.
We have wondered if her really bad behavior is when she is off her drugs.
> Body and mind must both be addressed, if for no other reason than the fact that it will take some time for the medications to reach full effect.
Yup — absolutely. If for no other reasons than physical activity releases endorphins and other useful brain chemicals. I like to do dangerous things, much like AppyPappy’s friend does. I get an amazing buzz out of adrenaline that lasts for many days, sometimes a couple weeks.
Each time I’ve changed meds it has taken a couple months for any noticeable change — as you have said.
> We have wondered if her really bad behavior is when she is off her drugs.
Hmmmm... If I had to guess (and I am guessing) I’d say probably not. It’s a common misapprehension that if you forget to take your meds you suddenly snap and go berzerk.
It’s not like that, at least not for anyone I know or have heard about.
For both Depression and Bipolar Disorder it takes many weeks, maybe a couple months, for the meds to have any noticeable effect at all. Similarly, it takes quite a long while to wear off: at least a few days.
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