NBC lies about Obama's birth certificate and eligibility to be President \

Examiner.com ^ | July 23, 1:33 AM | geoff linsley

[markomalley]

And if such a law could be found, WHY hasnt the media and the “legal scholars, liberal and conservative alike, [WHO] are in widespread agreement that Barack Obama is fully qualified.” simply cited the relevant legal code and be done with it?

Enquiring Minds Wanna Know!

[Waco]

The Supreme Court, and many others commited treason IMHO, and continue to do so.

[markomalley]

Forgot to mention, the 10/4 requirement to 5/2 was changed in 1986. Sorry. Should have mentioned that in my reply. (Pub. L. 99–653)

[Wonder Warthog]

"Since the U.S. Constitution doesn't define the term, Congress has the right to do so...and they have (8 U.S.C. §1401)"

That, as I understand it, is the CURRENT definition. Other info posted here proves that the definition AT THE TIME OF OBAMA'S BIRTH (which is the law that would apply), does not yield him to be a natural born citizen. Specifically, birth to a single citizen parent outside the United States only garnered citizenship if the parent was over a specific age. Obama's mother was younger than the required age.

[Diogenesis]

Neither NBC nor GE are American. American patriots will boycott both forever.

[markomalley]

That, as I understand it, is the CURRENT definition. Other info posted here proves that the definition AT THE TIME OF OBAMA'S BIRTH (which is the law that would apply), does not yield him to be a natural born citizen.

ping to post #20. That's a really good question, though, and might provide a bit of a hole, dependent upon Stanley Ann's residency. But the law, in question, was passed in 1952 (and was slightly adjusted in 1986).

[RummyChick]

Go one further...

OUT OF WEDLOCK BIRTH
BECAUSE Mother married a lying commie who was already legally married in his country and couldn’t marry her.

UNLESS you can find some statute from back then that would allow such a marriage n Hawaii.

So...ONE and ONLY ONE contiguous year necessary.

[mkjessup]

"Last night, 7/22/2009, NBC’s Nightly News with Brian Williams took 5 minutes to try to refute widespread claims across America that Barack Obama isn’t actually a natural born citizen"

It's good to know we can rely on Brian Williams objectivity:

[LibLieSlayer]

nbc lies... always has.

LLS

[Gay State Conservative]

...and the U.S. only recognizes dual citizenship if the other country the individual claims citizenship with does.

I don't believe this is true.US citizenship laws aren't dependent in any way on what another country's citizenship laws say about a particular individual's citizenship status.You either *are* or *are not* a US citizen at a given moment in time.And if you *are* a US citizen just about the only way you can lose your citizenship is if you formally renounce it (there are other ways,too,but they're very rare).

However,the concept of "natural born" citizenship is another matter.

[markomalley]

BECAUSE Mother married a lying commie who was already legally married in his country and couldn’t marry her.

In fact, the statute says nothing about the marital status of the parents.

a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years

Stanley Ann could have been forcibly raped by Idi Amin and it wouldn't really matter.

My suggestion, keep looking for the birth certificate. But, at the same time, start looking into tracing the residency of Stanley Ann at the same time. Seattle (where she supposedly graduated from High School) is only a few miles from British Columbia. Her bio could have been modified. Additionally, what about her time after she graduated from High School? If you can show that she was not resident for four years after her 14th birthday (there are only four years and 9 months to play with here -- meaning you only have to show that she wasn't present for more than 9 months during that four year period) and that he was born outside of the US and possessions, then there might just be a legal case. (The law at the time Ø's birth was 10 years total US residency and 4 years after the age of 14, for the citizen parent), then you might have a really good case legally.

However, even if you can't prove that Stanley Ann wasn't absent from the US for 10 months between her birthday and Ø's birth, I'd keep pressing on the subject, as it would be HORRIBLY damaging to him, politically!

[RummyChick]

Actually the Immigration Statute DOES talk about OUT OF WEDLOCK birth. There is a section for OUT OF WEDLOCK fathers and OUT OF WEDLOCK Mothers. Mothers have less of a burden than fathers in the statute.

Read the Statute.

A Marriage that is VOID (NOT VOIDABLE) means OUT OF WEDLOCK BIRTH.

For it not to be an out of wedlock birth you have to find a statute in Hawaii that would allow the marriage to a man who had a legally recognized marriage in Africa.

[RummyChick]

For those of you that still don’t believe there is an out of wedlock provision in the Immigration Act..read the Supreme Court case about a man born in Vietnam in 1969

http://www.nilc.org/immlawpolicy/natzcitzshp/nc033.htm

[real_patriotic_american]

Tell the fibbing Brian Williams that Obama isn’t even a natural born citizen if he were actually born in Hawaii. His father was a Kenyan (a British colony). Both parents must be citizens. Later on, Obama was adopted by Soetoro and citizenship changed to Indonesia (evidence by the fact he schooled there). Throw in as a foreign student at Occidental College as Barry Soetoro, and his Presidential stint will be ending soon.

And if that won’t convince someone, why won’t Obama simply present his original long form birth certificate to prove eligibility? Speaks for itself.

[markomalley]

Actually the Immigration Statute DOES talk about OUT OF WEDLOCK birth. There is a section for OUT OF WEDLOCK fathers and OUT OF WEDLOCK Mothers. Mothers have less of a burden than fathers in the statute.

But it's really irrelevant since the mother was the one through whom citizenship was inherited:

8 U.S.C. §1101 (b) As used in subchapters I and II of this chapter— (1) The term “child” means an unmarried person under twenty-one years of age who is (D) a child born out of wedlock, by, through whom, or on whose behalf a status, privilege, or benefit is sought by virtue of the relationship of the child to its natural mother or to its natural father if the father has or had a bona fide parent-child relationship with the person;

8 U.S.C §1409 (c) Notwithstanding the provision of subsection (a) of this section, a person born, after December 23, 1952, outside the United States and out of wedlock shall be held to have acquired at birth the nationality status of his mother, if the mother had the nationality of the United States at the time of such person’s birth, and if the mother had previously been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year.

§1409 is in there to deal with the situation of a US father going overseas, knocking a woman up (e.g., in a whorehouse), and then the child automatically getting citizenship status even though the father may never have met the kid.

So why even confuse matters?

Oh, and one other point: there is a difference between being a "national" and being a "citizen." The §1409 reference above talks about inheriting "nationality" status, not "citizenship" status. The §1401 reference I quoted in earlier posts (which doesn't reference marriage at all) references inheriting "citizenship" status AND "national" status.

[real_patriotic_american]

Stanley Ann Dunham, Barack Obama’s mother, attended the University of Hawaii during the fall of 1960. She was enrolled at the University of Washington in autumn of 1961.

Between these start dates, Miss Duham became pregnant with Obama on Nov. 1, 1960 while she was 17 years of age. Claims are that she married Obama Sr. on February 2, 1961. If this is correct and Obama Sr. was already married, it would constitute bigamy. Bigamy is outlawed in Hawaii, but legal in Kenya. Thus, chances are that Obama’s mother had moved to Kenya residing there the months preceding Obama’s 1961 birth.

Obama’s own grandmother states that she was present when Obama was born in Kenya. Thus, he would not be a natural born citizen. Obama is reported to have been born August 4, 1961.

Now, how could Obama be born in Kenya or Hawaii and then have his mother enrolled at the University of Washington later that same month? Unlikely movement!

Is there any witnesses to Stanley Ann Dunham’s location and movement in 1961 up through Obama’s birth. Any medical clinic visits in the U.S. during her pregnancy? I have not heard of any which is a good indication that she was in Kenya.

Claims indicate that Obama was adopted and became Barry Soetoro in Indonesia. He would then have lost natural born citizenship if he even ever had it. He attended Occidental College as Barry Soetoro. Occidental College informed Newsweek that Obama enrolled as a foreign student (info at FreeRepublic).

By simply releasing his original long form birth certificate, Obama could prove whether he is a natural born citizen or not. By spending an enormous amount in legal fees to keep his birth certificate hidden, it leads one to think that he is NOT a natural born citizen.

[Sprite518]

That 10 year Trillion dollar contract rewarded to G.E. by the Obama administration has really paid of for Obama’s sake. Any objective person that examines the evidence can clearly see that the certificate of live birth is bogus. Furthermore, the reluctance of Obama to disclose his college records (that show him as an exchange student) is further proof that Obama was not born in the USA. However, we all know that the lap dogs in the media and press will ALWAYS provide cover those they agree with politically. They will not do their jobs honorably.

[RummyChick]

I cant make sense of your post. WTF???

Bottom line, you are wrong when you said Obama’s mother needed at least 5 years. Most people on this site are wrong because they have not thought through the scenario concerning the Bigamist daddy and haven’t looked at the law.

Different sections of the law apply depending on marital status. She was not legally married. The marriage was not VOIDABLE..it was VOID.- unless you can come up with a statute from hawaii that says otherwise.

There are some provisions in the Immigration Act if it is the United States citizen or permanent resident who is pulling a fast one and is the bigamist..but that isn’t the case here. It was the Lying Commie Daddy.

Obama is a US citizen no matter where he was born thanks to his bigamist daddy.

[RummyChick]

i really couldnt make any sense of Mark;s post so I went to go look up 1409.

IT DOES APPLY TO MOTHERS for NATIONALITY

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/usc_sec_08_00001409——000-.html

A NATIONAL is not the same thing as NATURAL BORN CITIZEN AND NOT THE SAME THING AS CITIZEN as can be seen here
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/8/usc_sec_08_00001408——000-.html

so the only thing in Mark’s post that would be relevant is US CITIZENSHIP.

Obamanazi is a US citizen no matter where he was born because his daddy was a bigamist and the out of wedlock law applies.

Natural Born Citizen??? That is a legal argument that a Court has to decided.

[Wonder Warthog]

"But the law, in question, was passed in 1952 (and was slightly adjusted in 1986)."

Yes, but again, as I recall from other postings here, that "slight adjustment" was the specific thing that changed the age/residency requirements for the "citizen mother" such that Obama "qualifies" under current law, but not under the law at the time of his birth.

But the crux of this is that the entire brou-ha-ha could be eliminted immediately by the simple release of his "long form" birth certificate. The mere fact that he has NOT done so, and has spent a huge amount of money NOT to do so, is, I think, a strong indicator that the "birthers" have a case. Just as the fact that John Kerry has STILL not released his full service records leads me to think that the "Swift-boat" guys were right about him, as well.