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WHEN NOVELISTS SOBER UP
More Intelligent Life ^ | 20 July 2009 | Tom Shone

Posted on 07/29/2009 7:51:59 AM PDT by AreaMan

WHEN NOVELISTS SOBER UP



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; Unclassified
KEYWORDS: addiction; alcohol; alcoholism; arts; recovery; writers

1 posted on 07/29/2009 7:52:00 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan

Faulkner wrote lots of good stuff after age 40.


2 posted on 07/29/2009 7:54:06 AM PDT by Borges
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To: AreaMan

THAT’S IT!!!! THAT’S IT!!!! THAT’S IIITTTTTT!!!!!!! I have always wanted to write, and suffer from keyboard fright, but I just learned a lesson...GET DRUNK AND WRITE!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!YES!!!!!YES!!!!!!!


3 posted on 07/29/2009 7:57:37 AM PDT by devane617 (Republicans first strategy should be taking over the MSM. Without it we are doomed.)
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To: Borges
Faulkner wrote lots of good stuff after age 40.

Hey, I just post the piece...didn't write it.

Arguing about something like that is like arguing what flavors of ice cream.

4 posted on 07/29/2009 7:59:22 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan

They just need to leave the hooch alone and drink absinthe instead. It’s not called the Green Muse (or Green fairy) for nothing.

For those that haven’t tried it yet, it’s now legal in the U.S. Pour some in a glass and drizzle some ice water over a sugar cube through a slotted spoon. When the color changes, it’s ready for drinking. Yum!


5 posted on 07/29/2009 8:03:45 AM PDT by Two Kids' Dad (((( ))))
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To: AreaMan
“Displaying much grandiosity and pride,” they wrote in their notes. “Very impressed with self.” Eventually he fell silent. Four weeks later he emerged, shaky, fragile and subdued. “Listen, Truman,” he told Truman Capote. “It’s the most terrible, glum place you can conceivably imagine. It’s really really, really grim...."

We really, really need a second volume of Paul Johnson's The Intellectuals.

Stephen King says he cannot remember writing “Cujo”, he was so loaded;

I can believe that. Reading Cujo is like listening to a drunk in a bar telling a seemingly endless (literally) shaggy-dog story. It's overwritten by at least half its length.

6 posted on 07/29/2009 8:06:13 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("I'm sure this goes against everything you've been taught, but right and wrong do exist"-Dr House)
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To: AreaMan

Doesn’t mean he’s arguing with you. If you post an article other freepers will address almost all general comments to you by default (in fact, they don’t have a choice unless they delete your screen name when posting) but they aren’t directing them at you personally.


7 posted on 07/29/2009 8:13:35 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Two Kids' Dad

You are being facetious of course? Aren’t you?!!!????


8 posted on 07/29/2009 8:14:08 AM PDT by EEDUDE
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To: AreaMan

My favorite novelist, who beats them all hands down, is John O’Hara.

BUtterfield 8 (It’s a phone number; it’s spelled correctly)
Appointment in Samara
Hope of Heaven

Many have been made and re-made into movies. Liz Taylor in BUtterfield 8? An absolute STUNNER. Timeless classics.

http://www.coalregion.com/Amazon/ohara.html

Whether O’Hara was a big old drunk or not, I do not know; but most of his characters were...and with good reason, LOL!


9 posted on 07/29/2009 8:20:35 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: denydenydeny

You wrote:

“We really, really need a second volume of Paul Johnson’s The Intellectuals.”

Yes, we do!!! I’ll get working on that right now. Where’s my scotch?


10 posted on 07/29/2009 8:22:28 AM PDT by vladimir998
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To: Two Kids' Dad

Absinthe is just another flavor of hootch. They never proved the thujone extract does anything and at any rate by law it’s kept low.

Beware, most of the “absinthe” sold to the hipsters is just green-colored rotgut with a little anise extract.

At least it’s not like the cheap stuff back in the olden days which was rotgut with a little anise extract colored with COPPER SULFATE.


11 posted on 07/29/2009 8:23:11 AM PDT by sinanju
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To: denydenydeny

Oh brother. This is one of those rare threads that to respond at all would require a good sized thesis. Not today, thanks.


12 posted on 07/29/2009 8:23:12 AM PDT by lafroste (gravity is not a force. See my profile to read my novel absolutely free (I know, beyond shameless))
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Poe. Died drunk and in the gutter - in BALTIMORE!


13 posted on 07/29/2009 8:27:05 AM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: AreaMan
My problem with writing drunk is that after a while I can't find the kebs. I start out with some piece of lapidary prose chiseling out the finer features of mankind fromthe cold granite of life and wind up wirh a growunf pile od shid. I comebacka dat lager ans think, ‘jebus Crft Wuk th fokl is thuw plkw of shul”?
14 posted on 07/29/2009 8:33:46 AM PDT by Old North State
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To: denydenydeny

Can’t stand King...he writes for 12 year olds.


15 posted on 07/29/2009 8:36:25 AM PDT by kjo
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To: AreaMan
Thanks for this! I was considering a second career as an alcoholic poet, after I moved South, of course, but now I see I stand a better chance by just staying in the North country. I'm still considering the alcholholic part, tho! (j/k, and no offense meant to any alcholics reading this!) Oh, and I might someday take up spelling, too. :)
16 posted on 07/29/2009 8:38:59 AM PDT by blu (Graffiti the world, I've seen the writing on the wall...)
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To: Prodigal Son; AreaMan; Borges
To: Borges

Faulkner wrote lots of good stuff after age 40.

Hey, I just post the piece...didn't write it.

Arguing about something like that is like arguing what flavors of ice cream.

Doesn’t mean he’s arguing with you. If you post an article other freepers will address almost all general comments to you by default.
That's an idiosyncrasy of the FR format. I personally try to evade that problem by using <tt> instead of <i> to indicate a quotation of the article rather than a quotation of a reply.

(I also use <blockquote> in an effort to help make quotations from various sources stand out from each other - but that's just me).


17 posted on 07/29/2009 8:44:47 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: Old North State

I’ll drink to that!


18 posted on 07/29/2009 8:45:51 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan
John Cheever was most unhappy to be picked up for vagrancy by the cops. “My name is John Cheever [1]!” he bellowed. “Are you out of your mind?”

Now...why does that statement sound so familiar to me? Hmmm....I think it was a recent news story involving the local police and someone....someone who thought his name carried weight. Now who was that?

19 posted on 07/29/2009 8:47:49 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (Hope requires the contender, who sees no virtue in surrender.)
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To: AreaMan

I don’t think Asimov drank while writing. I consider him a great writer.

They’re just looking for an excuse.


20 posted on 07/29/2009 10:27:35 AM PDT by Conan the Librarian (The Best in Life is to crush my enemies, see them driven before me, and the Dewey Decimal System)
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To: Old North State

“My problem with writing drunk is that after a while I can’t find the kebs. I start out with some piece of lapidary prose chiseling out the finer features of mankind fromthe cold granite of life and wind up wirh a growunf pile od shid. I comebacka dat lager ans think, ‘jebus Crft Wuk th fokl is thuw plkw of shul”?”

Funny, funny.


21 posted on 07/29/2009 10:28:32 AM PDT by outinyellowdogcountry
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To: Conan the Librarian
I don’t think Asimov drank while writing. I consider him a great writer.

Asimov was afflicted with an even worse condition, he was an arrogant ass.

But hey, if being an arrogant ass, or douchebag, or drunk, etc., meant I didn't read an author or listen to a musician then I wouldn't read or listen to much.

Sometimes I think the less we know about and author's and other artist's personal life the better off we are.

I remember reading the first volume of Asmiov's autobiography and being fascinated by the man but then I grew up and realized he was less than admirable, but still a good writer.

22 posted on 07/29/2009 10:36:20 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: AreaMan

I met Assimov in 1967 on a six hour train ride to NYC, my seat mate. He was a munchkin, I am 6’2”, I think that he suffered from small mans syndrome.


23 posted on 07/29/2009 10:55:23 AM PDT by Little Bill (NH the Sixth Gay State.)
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To: AreaMan
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24 posted on 07/29/2009 11:01:17 AM PDT by freedomlover (Make sure you're in love - before you move in the heavy stuff)
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To: freedomlover
I am surprised nobody came up with that sooner.

BTW.

All work and no beer make Homer something something.

25 posted on 07/29/2009 11:03:39 AM PDT by AreaMan
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To: patton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LNjgv5p3Ek


26 posted on 07/29/2009 11:56:42 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: freedomlover

LOL! That was great! :)


27 posted on 07/29/2009 11:59:54 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Cool videa. Too bad they cut off...the end.


28 posted on 07/29/2009 2:57:44 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: patton

Oh, sorry! It’s a two-parter!

I remember watching that as a kid and being scared to DEATH! Vincent Price was sooooooo Creepy!

Part II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TM-tAb-bM-s


29 posted on 07/29/2009 3:28:33 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Hang on. I gotta fetch me kid.


30 posted on 07/29/2009 4:20:03 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Somewhat creepy.


31 posted on 07/29/2009 5:00:27 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: patton; leda

Yes. It doesn’t end well, LOL! Someone always gets killed. Someone always goes nuts, or someone ends up walled up alive behind a brick wall...

...wait a minute! Where’s LEDA? I haven’t heard from her in a few days! You were both building a brick wall the last time we freeped! ;)


32 posted on 07/29/2009 6:37:22 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

She...joined the peace corps.


33 posted on 07/30/2009 4:48:11 AM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: AreaMan

bm


34 posted on 07/30/2009 4:50:43 AM PDT by Vision (Obama is a jive turkey)
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To: patton

LOL! Yeah, right. She’s going to move to a third world hellhole and teach the locals to do mani/pedicures? LOL!

Nice try. ;)


35 posted on 07/30/2009 5:00:40 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; patton

no way in heck i’m holed up in a brick wall.
btw, it’s finished! got it sealed up yesterday
and two coats painted on today. just for kicks
i painted another wall in need too.

peace corps?!?!? nothing against ‘em but i can
only go a few days without (reliable) utilities.
like up at the cabin ... ;)


36 posted on 07/31/2009 2:59:53 PM PDT by leda (if you put up with what you've got, you deserve what you get)
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To: leda

;)


37 posted on 07/31/2009 3:20:20 PM PDT by patton (Obama has replaced "Res Publica" with "Quod licet Jovi non licet bovi.")
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To: leda

Thank goodness you’re alright, LOL!

We’re keeping Patton in line when you’re not around. He’s so fun to harrass. ;)


38 posted on 07/31/2009 4:55:15 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin; patton
yeah, funny how that works out...
i become totally immersed in “his”
lil projects....sigh!

i’m thinking it's my turn to sit
back and “stupidvise” while he
rebuilds a window and installs a
toilet. ;)

39 posted on 07/31/2009 4:58:25 PM PDT by leda (if you put up with what you've got, you deserve what you get)
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To: leda

He’s made you live this long without indoor plumbing? The cad! ;)


40 posted on 07/31/2009 5:21:13 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

only up at the cabin... :)


41 posted on 07/31/2009 5:42:08 PM PDT by leda (if you put up with what you've got, you deserve what you get)
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion; Prodigal Son; AreaMan; Borges

IMHO, just blanking out the “To” field is the best and quickest method for a general comment on the thread or article.


42 posted on 07/31/2009 7:10:10 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: D-fendr

Yeah, I do that myself when I specifically don’t want to get someone’s hackles up over something I’ve said. But a lot of times I think people just post and don’t think too much about it if they post to the one who originally published the thread. I don’t know if kattracks or JohnHuang2 still post dozens of news threads every day but I used to try to imagine what their ‘my comments’ page must look like...


43 posted on 07/31/2009 11:20:31 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: lafroste
This is one of those rare threads that to respond at all would require a good sized thesis.

LOL! Right you are, and inasmuch as I have just popped another cap on a particularly good IPA I'll make a shtab at it...

I think I get it, I really do, although I'm not a writer on the order of a Nabokov or a drinker on the order of Amis. But what they're looking for is The Zone, and alcohol helps them get there and stay there. Other stuff does too, but tends to be too severe for longevity (i.e. King's cocaine, and, well, we'll get there).

It isn't just writing - musicians, especially improvisational musicians such as jazz or rock musicians, know all about The Zone. It's where the self and the mechanics sort of fade and what comes out seems only to have muscle memory between whatever dark recesses of the brain from which it bubbled up and the chosen instrument. When you're in it stuff just comes out, and later if you're reading it or listening to it you tend to say "Wow, that's good, who was that?"

With musicians it's alcohol and especially heroin. I don't know why but I can make a case from the artists who have died from those temptations, (and the not inconsiderable number who conquered them and ended up dying in some sort of aircraft crash afterward, but that's a topic for another day). If you're a real ego-head you assume The Zone is you and your talent, but it isn't, it's only a place you visit if you're really on. And it can be hard to find, as a lot of superb writers find out to their utter devastation - Hemingway, for one, who blew his brains out over it. You drink, or you shoot up, because it helps you find The Zone, or later, tragically, because it makes you think that you have when you haven't.

That isn't to say that anything like alcohol is required for brilliant writing, or music, or whatever. But if you start to think that it is, it is. And coming out of it means that the individual involved feels that he or she must choose between a life of mediocrity or a another taste of artistic achievement that turns out to cost the artist that life, even if by then the achievement is only illusory. It's a double addiction, and a profound misplacement of self, and it's a little frightening to contemplate.

Fortunately for those of us not cursed with that sort of evanescent talent, there's still beer. (Sound of BtD falling off his chair and snoring on the carpet).

44 posted on 08/01/2009 12:20:27 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: D-fendr
IMHO, just blanking out the “To” field is the best and quickest method for a general comment on the thread or article.
. . . especially when making a late reply on the thread.

Not that anyone would necessarily ever read it . . .


45 posted on 08/01/2009 3:23:20 AM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The conceit of journalistic objectivity is profoundly subversive of democratic principle.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Vincent Price at his priceless best! The man was not a “star” nor was he a “celebrity”, but an actor who enjoyed acting. I loved watching the old ham in those 60s era horror flicks just for the pure enjoyment Price brought to his parts, playing the villain with such gusto.


46 posted on 08/01/2009 4:35:33 AM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can.)
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To: leda

Yeah, well, EVERYONE who has a cabin has lived through that, LOL! The first cabin my Grandparents owned (late 1950’s) had an outhouse.

They moved to a cabin with plumbing when I came along. Grandma was afraid I’d fall down the pit, LOL!


47 posted on 08/01/2009 6:54:54 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

.BUtterfield 8 (It’s a phone number; it’s spelled correctly)
= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
Wonder how many times you will have to explain that???

Like ‘party line’ as to a phone..
Just showing age here<: <: <:
- - - -
BTW this string ‘morphs’ into John Cheevers and a cabin. Sounds like it would make a good Sienfeld episode.

Then again most things in life can turn into a Sienfeld..


48 posted on 08/01/2009 7:06:18 AM PDT by xrmusn
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To: Old North State

Yeah, I know what you mean.


49 posted on 08/01/2009 7:19:22 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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