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Posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
So... If we can't ask about Obama's birth certificate without being dismissed as nutjob, tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists, can we ask a few other questions without being maligned solely through the use of childish name calling, silly syllogism and sorry sophistry?
Ok. So let's forget the birth certificate for a moment and ask Mr. Obama a couple of other questions...or are we still allowed to do that?
* Kindergarten records (not even a kindergarten record?)
* Punahou school records
* Occidental College records
* Columbia University records
* Columbia thesis
* Harvard Law School records
* Harvard Law Review articles
* scholarly articles from the University of Chicago
* medical records
* files from his years as an Illinois state senator
* Illinois State Bar Association records
* baptism records, if any
* adoption records
All missing or otherwise unavilable.
There is no American birth certificate for Obama. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. A COLB is not an original, legal, birth certificate, nor is an ad in the lifestyle section of a local newspaper considered to be a legal birth certificate. Public statements by politicians and bureacrats are not legal birth certificates. Although such things can be considered as evidence, they are not proof. They are hearsay evidence, only. (In fact, Mr. Obama's sister, Maya Soetoro, has a Hawaiian COLB and she was born in Indonesia.)
The COLB from Hawaii is the same document that journalists and activists from both sides, as well as bureaucrats and politicians across the nation are offering as primary support of assertions that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen of the U.S. If, in fact, he is a legal citizen, it does notnecessarily follow that he is a natural-born citizen. There is a difference. Follow-up question regarding his mother's citizenship status are also valid and do not require a tinfoil hat or a mental illness in order to ask them.
In view of other evidences, in view of his personal and business associations, and in view of Mr. Obama's apparently missing or hidden background and resume, the question about his birth certificate remains valid. In fact, it is the most important question of all.
Assuming there is no legal birth certificate (and at this point in time and in view of the lack of an original birth certificate, it can only be assumed that there isn't one), this means that the Electoral College never verified his eligibility before they voted for him. It means that FEC never verified his eligibility. It means that the DNC never verified his eligibility. It means that the state legislatures and state governors who signed off on the results of the Electoral College never verified his eligibility. It means that the House and Senate never verified his eligibility. 'Eligibility' meaning, in this case, that no one has actually *seen* an original, legal, 'long form' American birth certificate for Mr. Obama.
In all, it means that The Constitution has been effectively nullified either thorough incompetence or by corruption at every step of the political process. It means that American social and political contracts are completely broken down. This is why the question is so important.
The question remains valid. Where is the - original - birth certificate?
Conspiracy theories, tinfoil hats, mental illness and even rascism are not a requirement for asking such questions. In fact, such accusations against innocent Americans who are simply asking questions of their leadership tell us something about American discourse and freedom that should send shivers down your spines.
For the judicial system at all levels to declare that any American citizen has no standing to file a suit requesting to verify any elected official's qualifications says other things about America that should give you pause.
see also: http://obamaism.blogspot.com/
What happened to the transparency we were promised?
quite a few of our own long time fellow FReepers accuse us of being crazy over this BC thing. that is something that I just do not understand. why our are some FReepers acting like surrender monkeys on this, I don’t get it.
Promises from Obama.
Lies from the devil.
They seem to think that we’ve stopped working on other things. We haven’t and I guess that’s what we need them to understand.
We’re still fighting Obamacare, and all the other marxist policies he’s promoting. The birth certificate thing is just another constant and growing irritation we can inflict on Obama.
A very well reasoned position!
To which, I would add;
Who in their right mind, with the law on their side, would not spend $20 for a legal copy of a birth certificate, versus hundreds of thousands to lawyers to not reveal their birth certificate??
(Guilty your honor!)
It comes down to this...this short form BC shown by Obama is the same as a college diploma, easily faked on anyone's PC and printer. If I, as a potential employer during a job interview requiring a college degree, had doubts about that diploma, I would be wise to ask for full and detailed college transcripts (the Long Form BC giving FULL DETAILS).
Isn't that we are really doing here and isn't it really that simple to understand? We have questions because questions have been raised. We want deeper details. Obizmal works for us...not vice versa...Show us what we need to continue employment or GTFO.
So what, in your opinion, is the mathematical likelihood that Obama is the Antichrist spoken of in I John or the great beast of Revelations... somewhere between zero and one hundred percent probability?
Agree, And to those who always jump on these threads to say it’s a waste of time - we do resist Obama’s plans and policies in other ways, too. But being a pain in his ass over anything that distracts, wastes his airtime and energy, and slows the destruction of our country must be part of our strategy.
I’d like to have a face to face encounter with one of these Leftists who have their heads up Zero’s crack. If he or she starts in with me about ‘birthers’, I’ll tell him it’s
‘put up or shut up’ time, and I am getting really tired of hearing their Nazi bullsh!t.
Like the Constitution, laws, ethics, and plain decency...that's for the little people. obama is an elitist, socialist, and fascist. We'll never see true transparency from him or his administration / cohorts-in-crime.
Truly an OUTSTANDING post! However, he forgot to include in his list of missing or unverified Obama documents Obama’s selective service registration.
Actually, I wouldn't. Yeech - what a disgusting image. I'll stand back decent distance for that particular exchange.
I agree that something is wrong --BIG TIME-- with the bc. I don't know if it's where, to whom (or not to whom) he was born, really I have no idea. But there's definitely something being hidden. Something HUGE.
I haven't called any "birther" crazy because there are legitimate bc questions that we all agree stink to high heaven. What I don't get is why so many FReeper "birthers" feel the need to denigrate other conservatives -- who are just as concerned about what this disgusting poseur is doing and has already done to this nation -- as we are about what is in or isn't in the bc. It's the denigration of fellow conservatives that turns many off.
I'm not accusing you in particular of this... it's just an observation from reading various bc threads. If people want to focus on the bc to the exclusion of everything else that's vitally important (death care, cap & tax, stimulus, you name it) then by all means, knock your socks off. Maybe it will eventually grow legs! I'm just saying we're all on the same side here, and internecine insults (from both sides) is quite harmful.
They have bought into the smear tactics of the MSM and the Obama machine. They think that if they can paint everyone who has questions about Obama's biography as a nut, that they will silence the questions. And so many freepers have joined the MSM chorus and think that simply asking Obama to prove his eligibility or to show us his pedigree is the functional equivalent of accusing GWB of plotting the 9/11 attacks.
Well it's going to take more than the fear of embarrassment to stop me from calling on Obama to show us his Birth Certificate. He may have been born in the USA, but he's definitely hiding something. I think it is imperative that whatever he is trying to bury, that we, as patriotic Americans, have a duty to dig it up.
I’m convinced that he is him. To answer your question, 100%.
When I look at this picture, I am frightened beyond my ability to even describe scared.
Maybe I am just crazy. I hope that this is the case. otherwise...
What happened to the transparency we were promised?
I can almost hear them laughing in the WH.