Posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
So... If we can't ask about Obama's birth certificate without being dismissed as nutjob, tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists, can we ask a few other questions without being maligned solely through the use of childish name calling, silly syllogism and sorry sophistry?
Ok. So let's forget the birth certificate for a moment and ask Mr. Obama a couple of other questions...or are we still allowed to do that?
* Kindergarten records (not even a kindergarten record?)
* Punahou school records
* Occidental College records
* Columbia University records
* Columbia thesis
* Harvard Law School records
* Harvard Law Review articles
* scholarly articles from the University of Chicago
* passport
* medical records
* files from his years as an Illinois state senator
* Illinois State Bar Association records
* baptism records, if any
* adoption records
All missing or otherwise unavilable.
There is no American birth certificate for Obama. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. A COLB is not an original, legal, birth certificate, nor is an ad in the lifestyle section of a local newspaper considered to be a legal birth certificate. Public statements by politicians and bureacrats are not legal birth certificates. Although such things can be considered as evidence, they are not proof. They are hearsay evidence, only. (In fact, Mr. Obama's sister, Maya Soetoro, has a Hawaiian COLB and she was born in Indonesia.)
The COLB from Hawaii is the same document that journalists and activists from both sides, as well as bureaucrats and politicians across the nation are offering as primary support of assertions that Mr. Obama is a natural born citizen of the U.S. If, in fact, he is a legal citizen, it does notnecessarily follow that he is a natural-born citizen. There is a difference. Follow-up question regarding his mother's citizenship status are also valid and do not require a tinfoil hat or a mental illness in order to ask them.
In view of other evidences, in view of his personal and business associations, and in view of Mr. Obama's apparently missing or hidden background and resume, the question about his birth certificate remains valid. In fact, it is the most important question of all.
Assuming there is no legal birth certificate (and at this point in time and in view of the lack of an original birth certificate, it can only be assumed that there isn't one), this means that the Electoral College never verified his eligibility before they voted for him. It means that FEC never verified his eligibility. It means that the DNC never verified his eligibility. It means that the state legislatures and state governors who signed off on the results of the Electoral College never verified his eligibility. It means that the House and Senate never verified his eligibility. 'Eligibility' meaning, in this case, that no one has actually *seen* an original, legal, 'long form' American birth certificate for Mr. Obama.
In all, it means that The Constitution has been effectively nullified either thorough incompetence or by corruption at every step of the political process. It means that American social and political contracts are completely broken down. This is why the question is so important.
The question remains valid. Where is the - original - birth certificate?
Conspiracy theories, tinfoil hats, mental illness and even rascism are not a requirement for asking such questions. In fact, such accusations against innocent Americans who are simply asking questions of their leadership tell us something about American discourse and freedom that should send shivers down your spines.
For the judicial system at all levels to declare that any American citizen has no standing to file a suit requesting to verify any elected official's qualifications says other things about America that should give you pause.
see also: http://obamaism.blogspot.com/
That's exactly the hide-and-seek that windflier is talking about! He's laughing his ass off and must be enjoying himself by being on the edge; fooling the "cops" so to speak.
The “I told the dummies everything, didn't I?"
Exactly. Those suffering from clinical mental illness value deceiving and misleading others in the way that the Left nationally exhibits regarding 0bama's birth status and those who publicly question it.
I know this to be true. Barack Obama is as human as the next person, and is subject to the same psychological phenomena we all are. A guilty conscience would be bad enough, but when half the country suspects you of committing fraud, and you KNOW you're guilty of it, the mental stress has got to be overwhelming.
Every time he has to look into the eyes of a group of Americans, he's going to feel like they can see right through him. Well, guess what Barry, we can.
The secrets and lies are going to do him in. They're going to wear him down, until even TOTUS can't help him speak straight. I don't think he's capable of admitting the truth, or allowing anyone access to to his secrets. In the end, he's going to be crushed by the weight of all this.
I'm sure that Barry Obama is accustomed to fooling himself with all sorts of mental tricks. How else could he maintain even a semblance of sanity, otherwise?
That's alright. He can only convince himself that he's gotten away with it for so long.
The cracks in his facade are already beginning to show, and he's making bigger and bigger gaffes. Look at the Gates fiasco. That wasn't even necessary, but he went and stuck his foot in his mouth over it anyway. Now, he's got a huge damage control situation.
This guy is on track to be the biggest failure we've ever seen in a President. As far as I'm concerned, it couldn't happen to a more deserving fellow.
Strange, isn't it, that Obama cared so much about the letter of the law in the Constitution that he had Roberts swear him in twice, but he can't be bothered with verifying any part of his life to the public to substantiate his eligibility?.
Thnaks for sharing...brings up so many things
I wonder why, Obama, who had no problem admitting he used drugs (unlike Clinton), would be so guarded releasing these documents?
Its crazy....
Obama is a complete fraud, in my estimation. Nothing I've seen of this man indicates that he's anywhere near qualified to handle the Presidency of the US. The man has never held so much as a normal job, as far as I know, much less any sort of executive position.
It's been said that we've had some bumblers in the office before, but we haven't had one as certifiably incompetent and clueless as Obama in generations.
And, that's being generous. I personally think that he's something much worse than simply incompetent.
I, for the most part, agree with you and Rush on this. However, I also consider this an implicit LW challenge to the Constitution, so a continuing response to this chicanery is justified on that basis alone, although it shouldn’t be out of proportion to other issues of more immediate import, but it should definitely not be wasted as an ongoing opportunity to diminish LW influence.
They’re not acting.
Clinton was not ever candid at all about his health records.
There isn’t anything preventing native-born Americans from holding dual-citizenship status, should they want.
Now, certain foreign nations require, as a prerequisite to holding THEIR citizenship, that any immigrant renounce their former citizenship.
Nice...
Sooner or later whatever the kenyan is hiding will be exposed, The longer ho stalls the worse it will be for him.
It’s the cover-up that gets them every time.
Tonight on O’Reilly, discussing this matter, Bernie Goldberg referenced “the Chicago mafia in the White House” and O’Reilly didn’t bat an eye, make a sound yea or nay, no response, what does that tell us
This guy is on track to be the biggest failure we've ever seen in a President.
The understatement of the year; he is and was a complete failure. The proof is simple; no records of his "accomplishments", grades, sports, results, NADA!
Nothing I've seen of this man indicates that he's anywhere near qualified to handle the Presidency of the US.
Axelrod and Rahmbo are running the country........into the ground, I’m afraid.
And this was one of the most outrageous things about his candidacy for president -- he had no documented experience or accomplishments of any note. Certainly nothing rising to the level that might make him a likely prospect for our highest office.
Most of his personal history was cloaked in secrecy, and that which was known, didn't stand out as stellar in any intelligent people's minds. The man didn't rate much better than an actor hired to play a part.
The nickname "Zero" fits him well. It's the sum total of his worth as a chief executive.
Other reasons could include that the long form has a different father name, or he thinks that providing the BC could lead to requests for other docs like school records.
Class action law-suits from military personnel need to keep coming until he is forced to release the records he is hiding.
Wow. You must watch at LOT of MSNBC, because you know what, you sound just like them.
“If true, HOW would he be removed from the White House?”
In handcuffs.
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