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On "Birthers"
The Magic City Morning Star ^ | July 29, 2009 | Warren Bonesteel

Posted on 07/29/2009 7:25:35 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: melancholy
How about the list of other records? Who's gonna look bad if he shows them?

I suspect the other records will probably make him look bad, which is why he won't release them. Unfortunately, he is under no legal or constitutional obligation to do so, and judging by the last election, very few voters care whether or not he does. Hence continuing to demand those records ad nauseum will not bear any fruit and is a collasal waste of time.

I suggest you move on to something more likely to yield results, like attacking his policies.

101 posted on 07/30/2009 12:53:01 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity

No one has said the COLB is even legit.


102 posted on 07/30/2009 12:54:59 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Instead of just saying I'm incorrect, please cite case law,

What a nice textbook example of the tactic of burden shifting!

FYI, when a person makes an assertion, the burden is on him to prove he's correct, not on others to prove he is incorrect.

Nevertheless, I will indulge you and cite caselaw anyway, even though the burden of proof is on you.

From U.S. v. Kim Wong Ark:

"...every child born in England of alien parents was a natural-born subject, unless the child of an ambassador or other diplomatic agent of a foreign state, or of an alien enemy in hostile occupation of the place where the child was born.

"III. The same rule was in force in all the English colonies upon this continent down to the time of the Declaration of Independence, and in the United States afterwards, and continued to prevail under the constitution as originally established.

as I am one of the most frequent posters on this subject, next to pissant, and have done a lot of reading on

Unfortunately for you, the quality of the reading one does is more important than the quantity.

103 posted on 07/30/2009 1:00:15 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: pissant
No one has said the COLB is even legit.

No one except the state of Hawaii.

104 posted on 07/30/2009 1:04:20 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Barack Obama Presidential Library, Teleprompter World Headquarters, Record Depository and Transparency Center

105 posted on 07/30/2009 1:06:54 PM PDT by woofie
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To: curiosity

Are you cleared for Crypto?


106 posted on 07/30/2009 1:11:25 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("I won't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Admiral IsorokoYamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Typical. You can't win an argument with me, so you resort to personal attacks. Have a nice day.
107 posted on 07/30/2009 1:17:15 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: DJ MacWoW; All
I realize many of us know this. What got my attention
Was the fact admitted from The Fight The Smears Web Sight. Scrubbing Obama’s own words is truly telling. Barry and Axlerod
Inc. Realized they screwed up and scrubbed it.
108 posted on 07/30/2009 1:59:07 PM PDT by katiekins1 (Obama=DickTater N Chief)
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To: thecodont; sickoflibs
If he's a natural-born American bastard, it is unlikely to hurt him politically.

Yes, but what I said was that it might be a different father from the one on the "certificate of live birth" and the one Obama claims. Being a proven liar (one more time) is a different issue than being a bastard.

...a natural-born American citizen and a complete fraud...

He is a fraud in many ways. He lies all the time.

I wonder why Rahm Emmanuel made that trip to Kenya last year?

Omana has other scandals related to Afica. Link: Jerome Corsi, anti-Obama author, detained in Kenya

Emanuel also might have cleaned up Hussein Obama Senior's paperwork in Kenya.

109 posted on 07/30/2009 2:05:38 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: curiosity
Hence continuing to demand those records ad nauseum will not bear any fruit and is a collasal waste of time.

By the same token, it's a colossal waste of your time to bother reading these threads, right? I suggest you move on to something more likely to yield results, like attacking his policies.

....and how do you know that I don't walk and chew gum at the same time?

Once upon a time, liberals "advised" us to Move On, something like it was only about sex. This is when MoveOn.org was created. Well' I'm sure you know how this turned out.

110 posted on 07/30/2009 2:33:18 PM PDT by melancholy
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To: Windflier

I guess he’s like the prom queen who wins by knocking off all her competitors with rumors, stealth, and meanness. Can he ever really relax and bask in this position, knowing that ACORN and other subterfuge pulled it off for him? It’s almost as though he has to verbally reassure HIMSELF that he really isn’t dreaming and that he actually inhabits the White House. But I wonder if the satiation of living large in the W.H. will set in, and it will be old hat for him before long. Wish I knew what psychiatrists know about narcissism. Will he overreach even MORE because he’s finding out that Americans can only be pushed so far?


111 posted on 07/30/2009 2:36:11 PM PDT by 1951Boomer
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To: MagnoliaB

?If true, HOW would he be removed from the White House?? In handcuffs.

Probably not. That Racial
Thang dontcha know.


112 posted on 07/30/2009 2:38:48 PM PDT by katiekins1 (Obama=DickTater N Chief)
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To: curiosity

LOL. BS, bro, BS


113 posted on 07/30/2009 2:56:17 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: sickoflibs
Few care where he was born and few ever will.

And...so what? Is this a nation of laws, or of men? If he is proven ineligible to be POTUS, what would you want to happen?

114 posted on 07/30/2009 3:52:25 PM PDT by PallMal
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; 2ndDivisionVet; 1000 silverlings; xzins; P-Marlowe; Lee N. Field; wmfights
What I find interesting about the birth certificate is the serial numbers. On the ones issued in Hawaii during this time the number would appeared as 151 – 61 – 10637 while the one Hawaii produce for Obama was 151 – 1961 – 10641. Noticed that the format for the middle digits changes from 61 to 1961. In my mind this isn't like changing "Black" to "African-American". I'm not one for conspiracy theories but I have to wonder why would they change the serial number from the original certificate.
115 posted on 07/30/2009 5:24:08 PM PDT by HarleyD
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To: luvEastTenn
Can he ever really relax and bask in this position, knowing that ACORN and other subterfuge pulled it off for him? It’s almost as though he has to verbally reassure HIMSELF that he really isn’t dreaming and that he actually inhabits the White House.

No, he can never, ever truly relax, because he knows in his heart that he came to power through lies, misrepresentation, subterfuge, and mass marketing to an ill-informed electorate.

He also has the threat of the traditional American system of government hanging over his head. He can't really get away with the sort of things that go on in South America, and he knows it. Push The People too far, and they will have your head, one way or another.

He also knows in his heart that his Socialist policies are so much utopian dogma and theories that do not work in the real world. He's finding out quickly that when far-left ideology meets The Real World, far-left ideology crumbles, every time.

It's got to be a helluva position to find oneself in. Even the perks and supreme power of being US President won't protect him from what's coming. And, it is coming, just as surely as night follows day. No, he'll never be able relax, because he's a fraud. A charlatan. And he knows this to be true in his own heart.

By this time next year, he's going to look old and haggard from the external and internal pressures. Hell, he may even need a suicide watch by that time, it'll be so bad.

116 posted on 07/30/2009 5:32:40 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: curiosity

Read it and weep: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/86757.pdf


117 posted on 07/30/2009 6:40:47 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet ("I won't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Admiral IsorokoYamamoto)
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To: Windflier; luvEastTenn
It's got to be a helluva position to find oneself in. Even the perks and supreme power of being US President won't protect him from what's coming. And, it is coming, just as surely as night follows day. No, he'll never be able relax, because he's a fraud. A charlatan. And he knows this to be true in his own heart.

By this time next year, he's going to look old and haggard from the external and internal pressures. Hell, he may even need a suicide watch by that time, it'll be so bad.

The $100/lb. waygu beef is turning to dust in his mouth. Soon he won't enjoy the taste of anything.

I am certain BO sleeps with one eye open.

118 posted on 07/30/2009 6:48:50 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: PallMal

RE “And...so what? Is this a nation of laws, or of men? If he is proven ineligible to be POTUS, what would you want to happen? “

What do you mean by proven? You mean like Dan Rather and Bush?


119 posted on 07/30/2009 7:16:21 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Socialist Conservatives: "'Big government is free because tax cuts pay for it'")
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To: HarleyD; xzins; 1000 silverlings; P-Marlowe; Alex Murphy; blue-duncan; Forest Keeper; wmfights; ...
Here's my question for the lawyers among us...

If it is true that, according to the Constitution, to be President a person must be a "natural born citizen," and if it is true that the two requirements for being a "natural born citizen" are 1) being born in the U.S. and 2) both parents must be U.S. citizens, then is it not therefore true that Obama is ineligible for the Presidency because his Kenyan father was a British subject and held no U.S. citizenship?

If this is true, it doesn't matter where Obama was born. The fact his father was not a U.S. citizen precludes his being President. Period.

120 posted on 07/30/2009 7:20:30 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg ("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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