Skip to comments.FR Poll: Do you believe Obama is hiding or lying about something regarding his origins?
Posted on 07/30/2009 11:51:05 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
Do you believe Obama is hiding or lying about something regarding his origins?
Yes ... he’s illegitimately in office and he and Democrat Party know it.
Yes, I do, Jim, because from what I understand, he’s spent hundreds of thousands of dollars hiding something that would cost him about $10 to produce.
That said, being in Canada and having a son and husband who are addicted to World of Warcraft, I don’t get much access to a computer or U.S. news. ;)
Take care and God Bless.
"He's hiding something..."
LOL! I loved that show. :)
Indonesian regulations recognize neither apatride nor bipatride citizenship.In an attempt to prevent dual citizenship, the draft revision includes new regulations.It states that an infant whose father is a foreign citizen and mother is an Indonesian can obtain Indonesian citizenship if it is the wish of their parents.
This citizenship, however, must not cause dual citizenship.A child born overseas to an Indonesian couple can be an Indonesian citizen at the request of their parents. A request for citizenship must be submitted to the Indonesian embassy no later than three months after the child's birth, the draft revision says.
A foreign child aged below 21 and unmarried, who is adopted by an Indonesian, will be eligible for Indonesian citizenship if the process does not cause dual citizenship. Foreigners who contribute to Indonesia -- or for a specific reason -- can be granted Indonesian citizenship by the President with the consent of the House of Representatives.
Indonesian citizens can lose their nationality on certain conditions, including if they join the military service of another country, or live overseas for a consecutive period of five years without declaring their will to remain an Indonesian national.
In countries that enforce single citizenship, voluntary naturalization in another country will lead to an automatic loss of the original citizenship; the language of the law often refers to such cases as "giving up one's citizenship" or (implicit) renunciation of citizenship.
If his mother gave up her US Citizenship, and if he was Adopted by her Second Husband, and if Indonesia does not Recognize the Concept of Dual Nationality, Senator Obama is an Indonesian.
In neither case does his Place of Birth or his mothers Nationality have any legal Consequence whatsoever because the USA accepts the existence of Dual Nationality only if the other country does.
Hague Conventions are applied by the USA and this has been US Law since before 1930 (see:Memorandum on Nationality, including Statelessness: Document A/CN.4/67, Prepared by Ivan S Kerno, International Law Commission, United Nations General Assembly, 6th April 1953.)
There's about a million 0bama bucks saying: 'Hell, yeah!'.
Show us the long form Birth Certificate.
And, while you’re at it, what is your National Security Strategy?
You are required by the Goldwater/Nichols Act to publish one.
Where is it?
Yes, at this point, the only proof of is birth is a “certificate of live birth” from Hawaii which would not be sufficient to qualify you for a US passport. If it’s not enough to qualify a person for a US passport, it certainly should not be sufficient proof of one’s qualifications to be POTUS.
I believe that he’s hiding the lies regarding his origins.
Hooray for Deanna Troi, a.k.a. Counsellor Obvious!
I loved TOS and TNG; I stopped watching when DS9 turned into a soap opera.
Who knows the MSM won’t find out and until they report it the question alone is from people in the black helicopter crowd. At least that’s what the media has decided. Anyone in the media who investigates is in danger of losing their job and being blacklisted by the MSM and all liberals. In addition they’ll go after them personally and their families to if it becomes to be a problem for the Obama administration. That said I think he was born in Hawaii.
You don't stonewall to embarrass your critics. If he wanted to embarass all us "kooks", he'd shut us down by releasing the "vital records on file".
Thanks for the poll. This should be interesting.
Yes, I beieve he is not a natural born citizen. Too much work was put into protecting him like the I think it was something called S5ll and the fact an opposition candidate had almost the same problem.
I also believe that there are people that know the truth.
Dunno what, but seems to me that if Obama could talk in his alleged autobiography about having his framed Hawaiian birth certificate on his wall, he sure as heck could show it to us.
I wonder if the biggest scandal is not in his birth but in subsequent events, such as the 39 SSNs that Ms. Taitz is now alleging he used. That would be hugh and series.
Yes there are many thing aoubt him that are a lie.
I believe there is something going on regarding his past records and birth certificate. During the election I was watching the CNN doctor reporter from India, can’t think of his name off hand—Gupta maybe. He was talking about the health records of the two candidates. John McCain submitted every record he had to be examined. It was quite a stack. I can’t remember precisely, but Obama submitted nothing or very little—basically, yes he’s alive and the doctor/reporter made mention of the difference between the two. He’s hiding something and possibly a lot. It is all too clandestine and there has to be a reason.
Found the Gupta piece on YouTube from CNN:
And to all the conservative talk show hosts out there who think that people like myself are “nutters” you can stuff it in your ear.
Yes, I believe Barack Obama is trying to hide his past. (Do babies poop yellow?)
He has spent somewhere around a $Million on legal fees to prevent presentation of his birth certificate to public scrutiny. It would cost less than $36 to get a certified copy of the long form.
He struck a faustian deal with Indonesia in July, 2007, when he promised future non-interference by the U.S. in the genocidal activities of Indonesia in black-melanesian West Papua, which is Christian, in exchange for photographs, official records and documents pertaining to himself, Barry Soetoro, and his family in Indonesia.
Barack Obama is lying about his religion and his background. In an interview with George Stephanopolous, Obama said “...my Muslim faith.”
He has lied much in the short time he has been in the White House. I don’t have to detail that - we are all aware about those lies. And there is no doubt in my mind that he is lying about his political intention vis a vis the future of our nation.
Question his judgment.
Support his opponents.
Ridicule his errors.
Mitigate his successes with suggestion of unintended consequences.
Refuse to praise his work.
Challenge his advocates when they advocate.
It would be great if you guys could restore this.
Yes, the Supreme Leader is obviously hiding something. Maybe he is a Cylon!
Sure. He loves the fact that he is getting away with an unconstitutional Presidency. He hates the Constitution anyway. I do not believe he is qualified under the requirments. Age ..yes...Citizebship..no.
Not a hundred percent clear what he’s hiding, but he’s hiding a lot.
In fact, considering that he has almost no paper trail, and no past, and what he has is sealed, the fact is that he’s hiding almost everything.
What that everything is, is a big question. But that he’s hiding that everything, is without question. Hiding in plain sight, I think would be the right way to describe it.
Hiding something? Definately!
Hiding non-US citizenship? Perhaps, insufficient evidence. And there is the crux: too many people are leaping to conclusions and looking like kooks. Focusing on “What is he hiding?” is good — but long threads about what might have happened twenty+ years ago are like Kennedy assassination threads — possibly correct, possibly important, but highly unlikely to convince anyone not already predisposed to believe it.
The digital forgery ali Hussein has foisted on us is a sham open to manipulation by anyone for any reason.
ali Hussein is willing to pay over a million dollars to suppress a twelve-dollar document.
Our Constitution in Article II Section 1 Paragraph 5 requires the president to be a "natural born Citizen".
Each day ali Hussein stonewalls he demonstrates he is illegitimate.
He has "proved" Hawaiian birth just as much as Sun Yat-sen did. . .
Aside: Note how the birthers claim they are merely respecters of our Constitution yet if anyone questions them or their opinion of Obama's place of birth that person(s) is immediately labeled a "RINO", "troll", "liberal sympathizer" etc etc.
I reckon the birthers aren't too concerned about the 1st amendment.
The birth-certificate controversy (among dozens of issues) is about Mr. Obamas honesty (truth), not just where he was born.
Who is Mr. Obama?
Liberty wants to know the truth.
It must have been tiring for her to always hear what the guys were thinking whenever she walked by. Then again, she must of liked it because she always wore skin tight clothes and showed lots of cleavage.
I believe he is an Indonesian citizen. If his mother failed to restore her own citizenship after returning from Indonesia, and failed to naturalize Barry, who was adopted by the Indonesian (I'm believing this would confer Indonesian citizenship), and he failed to apply for naturalization after he was of an age to do so, then his citizenship must lie in Indonesia.
Whether he is a Kenyan of British registry, or an Indonesian, makes little difference. Either way, I don't believe he qualifies as a "natural born" American citizen. If he did qualify, he would have nothing to hide, and would not have had a problem producing his long form birth certificate. But, as it is, he's spend over a million dollars concealing all his records from the voters of this country. NOT the acts of a man who had nothing to hide.
Oh, my! You made that so clear. I just posted my own opinion and the same conclusion just moments before I saw your post. Thank you for clarifying.
LOL, the 1st Amendment does not include any right to be free from heckling.
He hs never come out publically to address this matter. What is he hiding?
IIRC, she was an empath rather than telepath. Given what you pointed out, if I followed that thought to its logical conclusion I'd get kicked off of FR.
Yes I do.
He has gone through way to much to hide his record...
I can’t imagine why anyone would allow such a mystery to build, and spend nearly a million dollars in legal fees, to hide his BC if there wasn’t something wrong with it.
It could be about his origins. There could also be something on the document that shows him a liar in his books.
I can’t believe there isn’t something there... I mean, $12 and it all goes away and he gets to call us all stupid fools.
There is one more possibility that comes to mind, but you need to first put your tinfoil hat on. Perhaps it’s all about planning for a political move in the lead up to the next election, wherein, if needed, he pulls out a legitimate BC, shows the world that we are such racists, and further motivates the blacks, mexicans and other such groups to stand behind him in the final fight against us evil racist ones.
The only thing I know for sure is there is something dirty about all of this.
He has spent a million dollars or so to hide the fact that
he is not a citizen,,,
Nobody on this site would/could hold it against him or
anybody else about who his parents are/were,,,
Not his choice,,,
The same can be said for the anti-"birthers". And what's with the labeling of anyone questioning and demanding Obama comply with the law of the land as "birthers" anyways? People who do that are obviously Democrats, since it's what they love to do, while ridiculing anyone who does it to them, just as they cry first amendment but then label and ridicule those who use it.
YES! Why? Because he has pretty much locked up everything except his autobiography. Even his college application and records...He’s so smart, why not release all his academic records? Passport application/records Ba,r Application, records from IL State Senate, and of course the Long Form Certification of Birth—not the lame laser printed thing that he submitted to some media. What is he so determined to hide?
BTW, it would take a whole lot more than a couple Sam Adams to make me think otherwise :(
LOL! I never could figure out why, if the Gua’uld were so advanced that they could fly around the universe in ships with no windows (force fields, instead), how come they had to use torches for light? (just askin...I have all ten seasons on disk)
Definitely- for obvious reasons.
Quite possibly, but very doubtful it’s anything that would have bearing on the “natural born citizen” issue. The evidence is overwhelming that he was born in Hawaii, and that settles the natural born citizen question.
Was his mother actually only 16.5 years old when he was born, making her a statutory rape victim? Maybe. Was she legally married at the time to someone other than the man he knows/claims as his father? Maybe. Did she originally list somebody else as the father? Maybe. Did she originally list the father as “unknown”? Maybe. Was he actually one of a set of twins, the other of which disappeared in infancy under mysterious circumstances? Maybe.
Lots of possibilities, but most are the sort of thing that one would hide to save other relatives from embarrassment, or to avoid bringing out negative information about someone who is no longer living — not the sort of thing that would have any bearing on his eligibility to be POTUS.
If he was some sort of total impostor, producing the original long form birth certificate wouldn’t shed any light on that anyway. Maybe the Barack Soetoro on the birth certificate died in infancy, and the death was unreported, and some relative gave Stanley another baby from Kenya/Indonesia/somewhere to raise in his place. Face it, birth certificates are just pieces of paper. Until they start carrying DNA data, they’ll never really prove anything about anyone. Until fairly recently (maybe still, in some states) birth certificates were routinely issued showing adoptive parents as the birth parents, so that the child would never know s/he was adopted, even in adulthood.
Frankly, I think the whole “birther” thing is a dangerous distraction that’s being orchestrated by Democrat party operatives. It’s amazing how many conservatives are devoting most of their anti-Obama energy to pursuing this nutty idea that they can get him hauled out of office for not being a “natural born citizen”. Now who do you suppose would want conservatives to be focusing their energy and attention on this hopeless cause (while they leave issues like socialized medicine and RKBA and union power ignored on the back burner)?
Right you are. But I believe she was both, depending on who the other person was. She was telepathic to trapezoids or whatever they were called, and empathic to humans, So I guess a group of human guys she walked by she could only “feel’ their ‘happyness’...
No, I think the man was born in Hawaii as he claims and is the legitimately elected President of the United States.