http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=1703
Posted on 08/01/2009 1:38:58 PM PDT by presidio9
That is a good question, will it be his removal from office that will trigger it, or the refusal to remove him from office...
The great Uniter, 0bama.
Janx is someone who logs in at DU or somesuch place and brags about being a CoLB troll.
I think I’ll go back to ignoring you, troll, unless you have something particularly interesting to say other than LOL. Have another drink.
Well, I already know that you call everyone who disagrees with you on this a troll, but on another post someone was saying that I was getting paid for it. I wish I was, but... I’ll just post my answer here, for you too... :-)
Ummm... it’s the GOP who have been talking to me about my posting, actually... :-)
They’ve said I’ve been doing a nice job, but they didn’t offer to pay, but said I could keep volunteering as long as I wanted to. But, the nice thing about it, is that they put you in touch with other GOP members, when you volunteer. I guess that’s a nice benefit.
I was just talking to Ann Coulter the other day, and she said to me, that this birth certificate issue is politically dead. She said, “Star, you know me and I don’t back off anything, but this thing is more like the Bildeburgers, than anything else, especially after the State of Hawaii said that he’s a natural-born citizen.” But she assured me that we’re going after Obama on his leftist policies — no let up there.
She said I should give a holler to Sarah, so I did. I told Sarah I was sorry about all the grief the press was giving her and I didn’t believe a thing that they said about her and Todd. So, I decided to ask her about what everyone wants to know. I asked, “So, are you going to do it in 2012?” Well, she said, “Look, Star, you know I can’t say anything about that one way or another, but let me ask you if you’ve noticed something.” I said, “Okay, what?!” She said, “Well, you know the ones who have been said to be Presidential possibles..., have you ever heard any of them talking about the birth certificate?” I said, “Ummm..., no, come to think about it.” Sarah then paused and said, “You can be sure that anyone who is talking about Obama’s birth certificate is not running for President!”... I said, “Oh, I’ve got it, you’re not talking about it so, that means....” She interrupted me right there and said, “Well, I was just speaking hypothetically, now.” I replied, “Okay..., gotcha, Sarah!”
She told me I should talk to Cheney more specifically about that, if I wanted to know about Obama’s birth certificate. Cheney was harder to catch up with, since he’s a busy guy, still defending Bush and his administration. When I finally did catch up, he said, “Hi, Star..., I hear you’ve been trying to get a hold of me. What can I do for you?” I explained about Sarah and the birth certificate and said I wanted to know about the Certification of the Electoral College vote in Congress. I asked why there were no objections from him in that Certification process, when he had the chance. He said, “Look Star, we don’t like Obama but we’re not crazy. We could look down on Obama through our satellites and see what he was reading every day, so there wasn’t anything we didn’t know about that liberal. Just because he doesn’t know who his daddy is, doesn’t make him not qualified for office. What were we going to do, make an objection and say, ‘You don’t kmow who your daddy is so you can’t be President?!’ That would never work and would have backfired on us in two seconds. There wasn’t much to do about it.”
I said, “Okay, I understand. I was just wondering...” He asked me how Steele was doing and we talked for a while then I got off. I had to get on down to Dallas, that evening.
While I was down there I decided to swing on by and see President Bush. I hadn’t been in his new house yet, in Dallas. They had to clear me through security and that took a bit, but I waited. Finally got in and the President showed me around. He is like they say, very nice and kind and a gentleman. I never get over being around him. But, this time I was on a mission and so I got down to it. I explained I had been talking to Dick and then asked, “What about Obama? Couldn’t y’all have done more for us?” He liked my Southern accent and said I was one of the good ole boys and I say, “Yessir, Mr. President, right here in Dallas, no less!”
He said, “Star, it’s like this. Can you imagine what those liberals would have done to us with this big depression coming on, and us winning the White House? They would have blamed us for all of it. Now, they’re trying to weasel out of it and we’re going to nail their hides to the wall this next election!” He got a chuckle out of his own explanation...” I asked him about perhaps doing something to keep Obama out of there and maybe Clinton in there instead and then there wouldn’t be all this trouble. He said, “We wanted the dumbest liberal we could find in office!”
“Oh..,” I said. “I see...”
I asked, “You’re not saying that you had anything to do with him being in there, are you.” And then, he looked at me and said, “Star, all I can tell you is that we don’t even know who his daddy is, so he’s not the only one...” and then he walked away laoughing loudly as he sauntered off to the pool with the rest of the guests. After that, I made my way out and visited the rest of my family in Dallas and then made my way back up to the Buckle of the Bible Belt, good ole Tulsa.
All I can tell you is that I sure do wish the GOP would pay me, instead of me just being a volunteer for them. But, it does have nice side benefits.
Well, I already know that you call everyone who disagrees with you on this a troll,
***Thanks for putting that on the front, so that I didn’t need to read the rest of your ridiculous post. You’re wrong, as usual. I disagree with plenty of people, but the troll monicker is reserved for very few, those who fit the definition. Good luck with your new job working for the GOP and LOLling around the internet.
Well, as Jim Robinson knows, as I’ve posted to him — he knows that I’m an exclusive poster on Free Republic for a very long time. I don’t even fiddle with any other forums, because this is the place to be for conservative issue. It’s the best around...
So, no need to go anywhere else... :-)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2305807/posts?page=224#224
If they can't legally compel it, then the public doesn't have a right to see it.
It's one or the other.
You just eviscerated your own argument, troll.
We have a right to a lot of things that can’t always be compelled by law...
And since there is *no legal requirement* for a candidate to produce his birth certificate — all that is needed for that right to be carried out legally is for citizens to get a state law passed which requires a candidate to produce his birth certificate or else he cannot be placed on the ballot...
It’s a simple solution... and there are these states who have started that legal process — Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and Arizona. So, “get on it” folks and get it done... :-)
Again, in this case, it's one or the other.
Well, if someone has found the law that compels it legally — I don’t know why they’re waiting so long to get the birth certificate...
But, I don’t believe that anyone has found a law that compels a candidate to show their birth certificate, hence the very simple solution of getting a state to enact a law that *legally requires* a candidate to show his birth certificate or else he cannot be placed on the ballot...
However, I suspect that there are a certain number who would rather “talk about the birth certificate” than get a law like this passed... :-)
So... you’re an exhaustive CoLB troll. Congratulations. And, uh, you forgot to LOL in your post.
Oh..., I post on a lot of other stuff... even today, yesterday and so on... some of my favorites are on Macs and Apple, Islam and terrorism, AGW (Anthropogenic Global Warming), End Times events, Israel and the peace process, North American Union and the SuperHighway (that’s from Corsi...), enacting a state law to *legally require* a birth certificate from a candidate, Oklahoma issues and stories, some Oregon and Texas stories, Indians (lots of them in Oklahoma...) and a whole host of other little miscellaneous ones... Anyone who knows me knows that those are the ones I post on a lot, plus hitting any other odds and ends...
It’s almost “you name it and I post on it”... LOL...
The question was whether we still had the right to see his birth certificate in the absence of a specific statute requiring him to submit one. You said "yes".
Either we have a right to see it or we can't compel him to do so. It's one or the other.
You said — Now you are avoiding the issue yet again.
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I think it’s more like you’re avoiding “reality”... no really... :-)
You see, it’s a real simple matter, there are two kinds of “right to see” and it comes down to political right to see and legal right to see.
I’ve already said that there is a political right to see, but unfortunately that “mode” carries “no force” in the ability to get someone to follow through (like a candidate). It’s only political persuasion. And oftentimes, that’s enough. But, in Obama’s case, he had about 10 million more votes, in the election, who said they didn’t care, than conservatives who said that they did care.
And then you have the *legal right to see* — and I’ve already made that clear that there is *no legal requirement* for a candidate to show his birth certificate. So, you’re out of luck there.
This is the *reality* that you’re avoiding.
I’m simply making it so that that *reality* can be “changed” and made to be that there is a state law which *legally requires* a candidate to show his birth certificate.
I have no idea why this is so complex to understand. It seem really straightforward and simple to me.
In the case of the requirement that the president be natural born, the best proof is the birth certificate. If the officials mentioned above exercised the power of their offices and stood by their oath to uphold and support the constitution, this crap would have been over a year ago.
Not natural born, but depending on where born, perhaps a citizen. If truly born in Hawaii or anywhere else in the US, then a citizen, because all persons born in the US are citizens, via the 14th amendment. Since his father was not a citizen, probably not a natural born citizen.
OTOH, if born outside the US, not a citizen at all, unless later naturalized.
You're correct, there is no law requiring him or anyone to show their birth certificate to become President.
There is however a legal, Constitutional, requirement that he be a natural born citizen. If sufficient evidence can be obtained tending to cast doubt on his natural born status (Like his book which says his father was a British national at the time of his birth), to cast doubt on his and the DNC's affidavits, then a Court can order a birth certificate be produced to prove that he is indeed natural born. If his BC shows his father to be the Kenyan national Barack Hussien Obama, as he says it does, or shows that he was born outside the US of a non US Citizen father, then he's probably not natural born in the first case, and definitely not in the later case. On the basis of that evidence, and arguments for both sides, the Court would rule on that question, one way or the other. Then it would be appealed, one way or the other. Likely the Supreme Court would rule regardless of the original and appellate decisions, one way or the other.
No one has been advocating disregarding the Constitution, so that’s one very good thing. The Constitution says what the candidate must *be* and then it’s up to the officials to carry out the “methodology” of determining that.
Now, the conflict here is that people here have said that they want a “methodology” of “seeing the birth certificate” while the officials have simply (and with all candidates in the past) had them sign and swear an oath they are *are* what the Constitution says that they must *be* — and that is their “methodology”...
The Constitution doesn’t have a “methodology” prescribed, but merely says what the candidate must *be*...
And here’s the Constitution for you...., the *basics* of the Constitution on this qualifications issue...
And yes, there is a Constitution, it’s to follow — and here is what it says, in regards to qualifications. The Constitution says that a candidate must be the following in order to qualify for the office. The candidate must ...
*be* 35 years or older
*be* a resident 14 years or more
*be* a natural born citizen
And Obama has sworn under oath that he *is* (as the Constitution says he must *be*)...
It does not say what is necessary to show it, prove it or what any means for “vetting” is. That’s up to the states themselves to vet and make sure that the candidates meet the qualifications.
And what they have done is sworn an oath that they are qualified..., Obama has, the other candidates have and they have in the past...
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And in addition the State of Hawaii says that he *is* exactly what the Constitution says he must *be*...
http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2009/09-063.pdf
“I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‘i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”
This shows that there is no Constitutional issue or question. So, when there is no Constitutional issue at problem here with the Qualifications for office, why would the Supreme Court get involved? Which is why they didn’t get involved.
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And if you want to get Obama to show his birth certificate, you’re going to have to get a state law to that effect, which is what I’ve been proposing since the election.
And you’ll notice that no one is saying to ignore the Constitution...
And so, I’ve got a pretty basic position mapped out for myself. It breaks down into three areas...
(1) I’m going to go by the official Hawaii pronouncement, unless something solid comes up (in a court of law) that disproves it.
(2) Since everyone wants to see the birth certificate, I’m going to continue to work for enacting a state law for that purpose (Oklahoma, Texas, Missouri and Azrizona already working on it).
(3) The issue of natural born, as far as parents and their citizenship, I’m going to let the Supreme Court decide on it and I’ll take their decision.
That’s where it boils down for me right now...
http://www.therightsideoflife.com/?p=1703
More nonsense and backtracking from you. We're not talking about the right to demand/ask for a BC. That's already allowed under the First Amendment.
Again, do we have a right to see the original Certificate of Live Birth or not ?
But, in Obama’s case, he had about 10 million more votes, in the election, who said they didn’t care, than conservatives who said that they did care
It doesn't matter how many votes he got, if he doesn't meet the requirements, he's not eligible to serve.
Voting is a right. And even in the absence of a particular statute specifically requiring a candidate to submit certified BC, the public still has a right to see one because they have a right to know if they are going to waste ( or have wasted ) that right to vote on someone that is not eligible to serve.
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