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If they keep this up, the party will be over (CHICAGO SUN-TIMES THREATENS THE GOP)
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | August 4, 2009 | John Barron, Tom McNamee, Don Hayner, Andrew Herrman

Posted on 08/04/2009 10:10:56 AM PDT by Chi-townChief

In case you haven't heard, President Obama is a member of a secret Kenyan terrorist cell who is scheming to dispatch waves of government bureaucrats to tell grandmas and grandpas how to off themselves.

Such is the intellectual weight of a segment of the Republican Party these days.

Or as one commentator recently put it, the GOP has decided "to double down on crazy."

We're talking about two controversies here, one involving the so-called birther movement, which questions the citizenship of the president; the other involving mandatory "end-of-life" counseling that's supposedly part of the president's health care plan.

The controversies are such nonsense that we hesitate to discuss them at all. But both issues, like some crazed killer at the end of a slasher movie, just won't die. And they speak to a broader, troubling trend within the GOP.

To recap, briefly:

• The birther movement questions whether President Obama was born in the United States, and thus legitimately elected president. His birth certificate and every piece of credible evidence show he was born in Hawaii. But for the folks in the birther movement, no piece of evidence is ever enough.

What's more, for some in the movement, the questions about Obama's citizenship lead to greater suspicions about him, including whether he's secretly an agent for a foreign government, sort of like Laurence Harvey in the 1962 movie thriller, "The Manchurian Candidate."

We're not making this up.

• The mandatory "end-of-life" counseling controversy is not a direct attack on the president but effectively paints his and the Democrats' health care proposal as a secret plan to peddle suicide to senior citizens.

Some commentators, led by Betsy McCaughey, the former lieutenant governor of New York, hit the airwaves recently to claim that under the Obama plan, people enrolled in Medicare would be required to submit to counseling every five years that would tell them how to end their lives sooner.

In fact, the bill requires Medicare to cover the costs of voluntary advice sessions for seniors who want to find out about living wills, powers of attorney, health care proxies and similar issues. We believe these planning steps are good things, not only for seniors, but for their families.

The AARP thinks so too. It lobbied for the provision. And the last time we checked, the AARP isn't into killing off its membership.

Both the "end-of-life" critics and the birther movement should be part of the lunatic fringe, but they've found a home in the GOP.

Instead of shunning them, some elected Republican officials and party standard bearers have embraced them. The left has its share of loonies, too, but hasn't given them this sort of bear hug.

On the issue of Obama's citizenship, several Republican congressman have signed on to a bill that would require presidential candidates to produce a copy of their birth certificates.

This is nothing but a sop to the birther movement.

On the health care front, former Republican Sen. Fred Thompson featured McCaughey on his radio show, and from there, her "end-of-life" comments caught fire, spreading quickly to Sean Hannity's and Rush Limbaugh's programs, among other conservative outlets.

The GOP needs to be a vigorous, substantive party. It must try to win back voters with the strength, not the scariness, of its ideas.

When elements of the party embrace such claptrap, it does the GOP itself -- and the country -- no favors.


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These guys sure don't seem to mind selling themselves out for Barry and crew.
1 posted on 08/04/2009 10:10:56 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Chi-townChief

goodness gracious, better put a band-aid on that sore nerve!!!!


2 posted on 08/04/2009 10:12:25 AM PDT by bareford101 (Give me liberty, or give me death!)
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To: Chi-townChief
This entire origin issue for Obama is a simple thing to put to rest. The real issue, more and more, is simply why he will not do so.

I have a passport and a birth certificate. I can produce them at my house in a matter of minutes. I have not spent a million dollars to either acquire them...or to hide them.

This is not a unreasonable thing to ask for since being a "natural born citizen" of the US is a constitutional requirement for the job of President. It's not hateful, and it's not racist.

Proving that you are should be an honor.

Yet Obama cannot and will not produce either. Why?

The following document is a Certified Copy of Registration of Birth, puporting to be from Kenya. It has gotten a lot of press. It has a number of issues which means, IMHO, that in all probability that it is not authentic. Yet, it looks more authentic than the electronic Certificate of Live Birth (COLB, not the long form Birth Certificate which has never been offered) that the Obama administration has shown on their web site.

The point is, this supposed document is out there and is being analyzed to death and will ultimately be certified one way or the other by experts. Obama's long form birth certificate is not...it is getting no such review. The longer it is absent, the more insistent the demands will be for it to be made public.

A number of military Officers are now suing for Obama to prove and show his "bonafides" before deploying, because for them, it becomes a life or death issue to follow their Commander in Chief. The same applies in principle to all citizens. In the end, Obama will not be able to forever hide from proving the constitutional qualification.

THE AUDACITY OF TRUTH ABOUT BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA'S UPBRINGING

A PETITION ON FACEBOOK FOR CONSTITUTIONAL RESTORATION

3 posted on 08/04/2009 10:12:39 AM PDT by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: Chi-townChief
In case you haven't heard, President Obama is a member of a secret Kenyan terrorist cell who is scheming to dispatch waves of government bureaucrats to tell grandmas and grandpas how to off themselves.

Whew! Finally, they're starting to figure it out!

4 posted on 08/04/2009 10:13:01 AM PDT by SlowBoat407 (Achtung. preparen zie fur die obamahopenchangen.)
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To: Chi-townChief
"..In case you haven't heard, President Obama is a member of a secret Kenyan terrorist cell who is scheming to dispatch waves of government bureaucrats to tell grandmas and grandpas how to off themselves..."

Writes the Butt Joy Committee of the Chicago Sun-Times.

5 posted on 08/04/2009 10:13:36 AM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Chi-townChief
Me thinks they doth protest too much.
6 posted on 08/04/2009 10:13:56 AM PDT by McGruff (Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency - Obama)
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To: Chi-townChief

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/scalliwag/200908/why-most-journalists-are-democrats-view-the-soviet-socialist-trenches

August 3, 2009, Politics

Why Most Journalists Are Democrats: A View from the Soviet Socialist Trenches


7 posted on 08/04/2009 10:15:24 AM PDT by roses of sharon (It is not actual suffering but a taste of better things which excites people to revolt: Hoffer)
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To: Chi-townChief
Direct evidence why their newspaper had to file for bankruptcy a couple of months ago.

DR. RAOUL's rule.

8 posted on 08/04/2009 10:15:31 AM PDT by La Lydia
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To: Chi-townChief
We want to see if Obama is constitutionally qualified for the Presidency.

Apparently even to ask the question is stark madness. But spending 800,000 dollars not answering it isn't.

9 posted on 08/04/2009 10:15:49 AM PDT by agere_contra
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To: Chi-townChief

The Chicago Sun-Times is genuinely concerned about helping the GOP. sarc

They wouldn’t wanna see Mike Steele get a dead fish or anything like that.

The national media campaign against “birthers” continues and widens and gets uglier and more threatening.

Why. Who is not on vacation and in the WH this week.


10 posted on 08/04/2009 10:15:54 AM PDT by silverleaf (If you can't be a good example, at least don't be a horrible lesson)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...

ping!


11 posted on 08/04/2009 10:16:42 AM PDT by nutmeg (Obamunism is destroying America)
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To: silverleaf

We’re exposing them big time!!!!


12 posted on 08/04/2009 10:16:57 AM PDT by ExTexasRedhead
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To: SlowBoat407
...waves of government bureaucrats to tell force grandmas and grandpas how to off themselves.

Is more like it.

13 posted on 08/04/2009 10:17:21 AM PDT by McGruff (Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency - Obama)
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To: Chi-townChief

Dying newspapers posting rubbish. This is the reason why your papers are dead.


14 posted on 08/04/2009 10:17:23 AM PDT by Frantzie (Lou Dobbs - American Hero! Bill O'Reilly = Liar)
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To: Chi-townChief
It's not about euthanasia, it's not about health care, it's not about insurance.

It is about cradle to grave control of people. It's about creating an Oligarchy of Democrats dictating peoples lives for the foreseeable future.

Once they control who is born, who will be treated and who must sacrifice for the common good, there is NO other power that they need.

15 posted on 08/04/2009 10:18:13 AM PDT by listenhillary (90% of our problems could be resolved with a government 10% of the size it is now.)
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To: Chi-townChief

President Obama is a member of a secret Kenyan terrorist cell who is scheming to dispatch waves of government bureaucrats .....................

WHAAAT.......IS THIS BREAKING NEWS.

This remeinds me of ole hair Brian Williams letting it slip on NBC News that the COLA increases for the Retirees would not be paid for 2 (TWO) years.

These guys had better start putting tape on their mouths.


16 posted on 08/04/2009 10:18:13 AM PDT by Marty62
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To: Chi-townChief

Birthers and now Deathers....LOL!

So, all you anti-birthers who oppose Obamacare, you are now officially nutballs too, whadya think that eh?


17 posted on 08/04/2009 10:18:42 AM PDT by HerrBlucher
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To: Chi-townChief
The state-run media is so off base that what they write should not even qualify for free speech protections.

First, the people who started the quest to open up 0bama's birth certificate were from the Hillary campaign and certainly not members of the GOP.

Secondly, just about everyone in the GOP has disavowed any involvement with the "birthers."

Thirdly, regarding the AARP, they are just a liberal front group which masquerades as an advocacy organization for old geezers.

Fourthly, the damn health bill itself says nothing about financial planning regarding the killing of old people.

And of course the last premise is rich... the GOP needs to act more like the Democrat party in order to regain power. What has it been doing for the past few years? It has moved so far to the left that it makes Karl Marx look like Ronald Reagan.

18 posted on 08/04/2009 10:18:47 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Chi-townChief

Thankfully the idiots keep making themselves look worse with their screeds like this.


19 posted on 08/04/2009 10:19:26 AM PDT by Americanwolf ("How could they not tell they had a friggin 70 foot whale hanging off their bow?" ---Tijeras_slim)
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To: Chi-townChief

Hey, it’s the CHICAGO WAY.

Besides, Barry and Ram the rest of the Capone Clones know where these guys live and where their kids go to school.

A kid just can’t be too careful when crossing Racine Street, ya know.

I had a friend who lived on Racine Street — until he had that “accident” with Mr. Niti and Mr. Thompson.


20 posted on 08/04/2009 10:19:44 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (ELECTION 2010 IS THE MOST IMPORTANT OF OUR LIFETIME! If you have to ask why, UR part of the problem!)
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To: Chi-townChief
On the issue of Obama's citizenship, several Republican congressman have signed on to a bill that would require presidential candidates to produce a copy of their birth certificates.

HELL YES they should all be required a certified copy of their original birth certificates! How can they possibly call that legislation "sop"? Being a natural born citizen is Constitutional requirement.

More evidence that the American journalism died with the 2008 campaign.

21 posted on 08/04/2009 10:20:18 AM PDT by Cyropaedia ("Virtue cannot separate itself from reality without becoming a principal of evil...".)
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To: Chi-townChief
But both issues, like some crazed killer at the end of a slasher movie, just won't die

and why do you think that is genius? Could it be that there might actually be something to both of these issues?

Reminds me of the nay-sayers when The Enquirer first published it's story about John Edward's secret love child...we all know how that turned out don't we?

22 posted on 08/04/2009 10:21:50 AM PDT by NMEwithin
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the other involving mandatory "end-of-life" counseling that's supposedly part of the president's health care plan.

Nothing supposedly about it.

What the HELL is the matter with these people?

23 posted on 08/04/2009 10:22:11 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Jeff Head
This entire origin issue for Obama is a simple thing to put to rest. The real issue, more and more, is simply why he will not do so.

There is no mystery there. He tries to paint all his opposition as irrational based on the actions of a very small part of the opposition movement. There are a lot of legit questions but there are even more irrational people. On a cost per vote gained basis it's probably worth more to pay his lawyers to keep it shut.
24 posted on 08/04/2009 10:22:40 AM PDT by TomOnTheRun
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To: Chi-townChief
His birth certificate and every piece of credible evidence show he was born in Hawaii

His birth certificate? I must've missed that when it was released.

25 posted on 08/04/2009 10:23:48 AM PDT by Wardenclyffe
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To: Chi-townChief
Good gosh...need Gandhi say more:

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26 posted on 08/04/2009 10:24:07 AM PDT by IrishPennant (We hang the petty thieves and appoint the great ones to public office. ~Aesop)
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To: Chi-townChief

“”These guys sure don’t seem to mind selling themselves out for Barry and crew. “”

While I’m sending different provisions of H3200 to congressional members for clarification, I’ll do the same “for” these guys. I want answers in PLAIN ENGLISH and in 25 words or less. I think all congressional offices should be bombarded with separate questions asking them to explain what it is we’re looking at. Just pick any section and ask the question!! I am NOT going to give them the page or line number - let them look for it!


27 posted on 08/04/2009 10:24:29 AM PDT by Thank You Rush
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To: Chi-townChief

This article and many more from the bought and paid for Socialist Leftist Press, and the usual suspects of the MSM television, and radio propagandist resources are working overtime to berate, belittle, and boogar-up all opposition to their fast tracked road-to-Hell Socialist agenda.

Pay no heed.


28 posted on 08/04/2009 10:25:17 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists...Call 'em What you Will, They ALL have Fairies Living In Their Trees.)
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To: bareford101

• The mandatory “end-of-life” counseling controversy is not a direct attack on the president but effectively paints his and the Democrats’ health care proposal as a secret plan to peddle suicide to senior citizens.

Some commentators, led by Betsy McCaughey, the former lieutenant governor of New York, hit the airwaves recently to claim that under the Obama plan, people enrolled in Medicare would be required to submit to counseling every five years that would tell them how to end their lives sooner.

In fact, the bill requires Medicare to cover the costs of voluntary advice sessions for seniors who want to find out about living wills, powers of attorney, health care proxies and similar issues. We believe these planning steps are good things, not only for seniors, but for their families.

The AARP thinks so too. It lobbied for the provision. And the last time we checked, the AARP isn’t into killing off its membership.


Sure did hit a nerve above!!!.

Funny, if it was BUSH who was obfuscating & refusing to allow for release of documents, the media would be all over him and supporting the investigations not attacking those who would simply ask the question, why won’t he release anything?!


29 posted on 08/04/2009 10:25:55 AM PDT by bushwon ("If you think healthcare is expensive now, just wait till it is free! "~ PJ O'Rourke)
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To: pnh102

AARP.....what happens to all their money when the “old geezers” die off from lack of medical care.

reminds me of the Abortionists. Kill off their own off spring.
now BAARP wants it’s members to just die.


30 posted on 08/04/2009 10:27:07 AM PDT by Marty62
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AARP.....what happens to all their money when the “old geezers” die off from lack of medical care.

Don't worry. Anyone who supports the administration will get the best health care that's left. As for the rest of us, we're all dead.

31 posted on 08/04/2009 10:29:11 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: Chi-townChief

Well, what else did we really expect from the Chicago Sun-Times? To print a newspaper, they have to play the game as it’s played in slimy Chicago.

Besides, the long form birth certificate has not been released.


32 posted on 08/04/2009 10:30:35 AM PDT by BertWheeler (Dance and the world dances with you...)
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To: Chi-townChief
Like the Obama Administration, the Sun-Times is operating at a deficit. The stock of it's parent company Sun-Times Media Group Inc. (SUTMQ) is trading today at .014 which is about 16 percent up from yesterday's .002. The only hope for this financial black hole is a government newspaper bailout.

It's astounding that it took four Sun-Times “reporters” to write an obvious cut-and-paste article. Sadly, that is the state of reporting today: google-cut-paste. Thirty years ago the news media would have exhaustively investigated the Obama birth issue until it was settled.

33 posted on 08/04/2009 10:32:01 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Chi-townChief

Yeah, yeah. This will destroy the party but Democrat’s who accused Bush of staging 9-11 for personal gain caused what harm again? LOL

Meanwhile who’s leading in the NJ and Virgina races right now? Who’s ahead on Rass’ congressional ballot?


34 posted on 08/04/2009 10:32:22 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: Chi-townChief
These guys should worry more about their own "intellectual weight".

Exhibit A: it took four of them to write such a silly article.

35 posted on 08/04/2009 10:33:07 AM PDT by wny
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Cost of long form birth certificate-$12

Cost of fighting multiple “natural born” lawsuits-$800,000

Getting called a “KOOK” for simply wondering why Obama won’t spend the $12 instead of $800,000....PRICELESS!!!!


36 posted on 08/04/2009 10:34:26 AM PDT by icwhatudo (For every clinic bombed or burned, 17 to 18 churches are burned down. MSM? MSM?)
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To: Chi-townChief
Was this paper involved in clearing the decks for Obama in his earlier races (forcing his opponents out of the race) or was that only The Chicago Tribune?

Obama will be the first president to have historical markers marking his place of birth in three locations--two hospitals in Honolulu and one in Kenya.

I don't think this issue would have been raised if Obama gave the impression of being a patriotic American. That photo from before the election where he had his hands in the "urinal gesture" when everyone else had his or her hand over his or her heart for the national anthem or pledge of allegiance showed his lack of respect for the US flag.

37 posted on 08/04/2009 10:34:32 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Chi-townChief

They need FOUR guys to write this crap? Oh, that’s right - products of Chicago education!


38 posted on 08/04/2009 10:37:45 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: roses of sharon

BTTT!


39 posted on 08/04/2009 10:41:23 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: roses of sharon

Wow, great article!


40 posted on 08/04/2009 10:42:35 AM PDT by piytar (Take back the language: Obama axing Chrystler dealers based on political donations is REAL fascism!)
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To: bareford101
Indeed, this is their true fear that they will be debunked....and permanently.

So they shriek louder and louder the more evidence and more determined we clearly get to get to the bottom of this.

41 posted on 08/04/2009 10:43:15 AM PDT by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: Chi-townChief
These guys are pooping in their pants over this issue. They protest too much me thinks. They're scared to death that there is some truth to these issues. Since when did the Chicago Sun-Times care about the welfare of the GOP? The last thing anyone needs to do is to take advice from their enemies. Does anyone believe that the MSM wants a strong conservative party? These libs want the GOP to run another RINO and guarantee the election of another socialist. The MSM believes that by supporting Chairman BO that he will bailout the dying media.
42 posted on 08/04/2009 10:44:56 AM PDT by Nosterrex
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To: Chi-townChief

One sign that the old msm has “died” and is now the living dead zombie media or ldzm.


43 posted on 08/04/2009 10:52:28 AM PDT by Biggirl ("God Is Great, Beer Is Good, People Are Crazy"-Billy Cunnington :)=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: piytar

BTW, my “great article” was directed to the one linked in comment 7, not the steaming pile from the Chicago rag...


44 posted on 08/04/2009 10:53:36 AM PDT by piytar (Take back the language: Obama axing Chrystler dealers based on political donations is REAL fascism!)
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To: Cyropaedia

so right. the article makes that sound like some bizzare demand. broad smear assault. throw it all in and hope everything gets tainted.


45 posted on 08/04/2009 10:55:21 AM PDT by wiggen
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To: Chi-townChief
In case you haven't heard, President Obama is a member of a secret Kenyan terrorist cell who is scheming to dispatch waves of government bureaucrats to tell grandmas and grandpas how to off themselves.

Man! We just get through 8 years of despotic rule by a sock-puppet of big-oil, Haliburton, Diebold, and the eeevil defense industrial complex who was personally wiretapping kindergarteners and monitor all overdue library books in a sinister plot to hide his dynamiting of the levees in New Orleans (which was all just a way of getting rid of the excess explosives left over after he rigged the World Trade Center to explode) and now we find out that some people are saying that the great and omnipotent Obama might have a questionable past? I mean, come on! after we proved his past relationships with Jermiah Wright and Bill Ayers were all a minsunderstanding and that those people changed into different people who were not the people Obama knew, these crazy nuts are STILL looking for Obama's real history? Geeze.

The press was totally silent on the brave patriots who proved that Bush was housing the frozen brain of Hitler in his head, thank heavens they finally woke up to point out the nuts who would question Obama.

46 posted on 08/04/2009 10:56:11 AM PDT by pepsi_junkie (Who is John Galt?)
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To: Chi-townChief
THAT'S THE CHICAGO WAY!


47 posted on 08/04/2009 10:58:12 AM PDT by relictele
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To: Chi-townChief
If they keep this up, the party will be over (CHICAGO SUN-TIMES THREATENS THE GOP) Chicago Sun-Times ^ | August 4, 2009 | John Barron, Tom McNamee, Don Hayner, Andrew Herrman

you know..I just don't see these four guys sitting up at nite worrying about the future of the GOP..

48 posted on 08/04/2009 10:59:07 AM PDT by BerniesFriend (Sarah Palin-"Lord knows she's attractive" says bitter Andrea Mitchell and the rest of the MSM)
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To: Chi-townChief

The Healthers are claiming that tapes were edited to make it “seem” like Barack Obama wants to end private medical insurance.

The Dirthers are claiming that Sarah Palin is seeking a divorce.

The Truthers insisted that “Bush Knew”.

Barack still hasn’t released his birth certificate and the Pravda Media lies, calling a COLB a BC.


49 posted on 08/04/2009 10:59:49 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (There is no truth in the Pravda Media.)
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To: SlowBoat407

I think they should keep publishing these things, the more it is out there, it might actually get people to thinking, but i doubt it.


50 posted on 08/04/2009 11:00:00 AM PDT by mel
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