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White House Move to Collect 'Fishy' Info May Be Illegal, Critics Say
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Posted on 08/08/2009 12:40:26 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey

The White House strategy of turning supporters into snitches when they see "fishy" information about the health care debate may run afoul of the law, legal experts say. "The White House is in bit of a conundrum because of this privacy statute that prohibits the White House from collecting data and storing it on people who disagree with it," Judge Andrew Napolitano, a FOX News analyst, said Friday. "There's also a statute that requires the White House to retain all communications that it receives. It can't try to rewrite history by pretending it didn't receive anything," he said. "If the White House deletes anything, it violates one statute. If the White House collects data on the free speech, it violates another statute."

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IMPEACH... Special Prosecuter at the very least. Our Constitution must stand.
1 posted on 08/08/2009 12:40:26 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey
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To: Typical_Whitey

Being informed that his tactics may be illegal, the President reacted characteristically to the charge...


2 posted on 08/08/2009 12:42:58 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Big government more or less guarantees rule by creeps and misfits.)
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To: Typical_Whitey
Like it rally matters to this white house or the msm. obumber can do what ever he wants and no one will ever do anythig of substance about it.
3 posted on 08/08/2009 12:43:34 PM PDT by JoSixChip (Please don't turn me into flag@whitehouse.gov)
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To: COBOL2Java

Oh, sh*t. That is too damn funny.

Gotta love a narcissist.


4 posted on 08/08/2009 12:44:28 PM PDT by dadgum (Security System. Dog. 12 gauge. 3" magnum turkey loads. Shovel.)
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To: Typical_Whitey

5 posted on 08/08/2009 12:45:15 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Typical_Whitey

have you heard if anyone has begun to legally challenge this or if anyone is at least thinking about it? this administration has 1930’s nazi germany written all over it and it is only gonna get worse.


6 posted on 08/08/2009 12:45:50 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: Typical_Whitey

The White House wants so much information on us, yet won’t release anything on Obama himself.


7 posted on 08/08/2009 12:46:09 PM PDT by kik5150
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To: Typical_Whitey

I think they always knew this would be illegal. But now the email address is out there.


8 posted on 08/08/2009 12:46:56 PM PDT by chuck_the_tv_out (click my name)
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To: Typical_Whitey
Collecting data on those who disagree with the Administration is a direct assault on our Constitutional rights and grounds for impeachment. Code Pink-ers screeched for 8 years, and nobody from the Bush W.H. asked for their information. Asking Americans to turn in their fellow Americans...Hitleresque.

HERE'S THE QUESTION: WILL THE REPUBLICANS FIND THE B@LLS TO FIGHT FOR INVESTIGATION/IMPEACHMENT? Only if LOTS of people get mad and pressure them...even then it's a long shot.

9 posted on 08/08/2009 12:47:22 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (I love the Bill of Rights. Is that extremist?)
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To: Typical_Whitey

Illegal? So what.. /s What now? or better yet, what’s new?


10 posted on 08/08/2009 12:47:29 PM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Hey............How's that Hope and Change Thingy workin' for ya?)
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To: kik5150

BINGO!!!


11 posted on 08/08/2009 12:48:30 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (I love the Bill of Rights. Is that extremist?)
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To: Typical_Whitey
"All we're asking people to do is, if they're confused about what health care reform is going to mean to them, we're happy to help clear that up for them. Nobody's keeping anybody's names. I do have your e-mail. ...Maybe that's because I assume future mistakes. But I'm not going to say that," Gibbs said, drawing laughter.

Well I emailed them that I heard that O said they were going to give everyone healthcare and not raise taxes and pay for it in savings from medicare. But the CBO said the program will cost over $1trillion and the saving at best is $300 million. It doesn't add up, so someone must have lied to me.

I have yet to receive a response...so yeah...we know he's lying with this answer. They need to press the White House to answer all those emails...that should tie them up for a while.

12 posted on 08/08/2009 12:48:49 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Typical_Whitey


13 posted on 08/08/2009 12:49:25 PM PDT by paulycy (Screw the RACErs.)
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Boama will have to throw Biden or Emanul under the buss over this. Which will he choose an idiot or a thug?
14 posted on 08/08/2009 12:50:19 PM PDT by mountainlion (concerned conservative.)
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To: Typical_Whitey

D’oh... how they going to get out of that one?


15 posted on 08/08/2009 12:51:58 PM PDT by Danae (- Conservative does not equal Republican. Conservative does not compromise.)
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To: Typical_Whitey

White House Spy Program Violates .Gov Domain Guidelines And Privacy Act of 1974 – Updates And Who To Contact

http://www.thesubstratum.com/general-politics/white-house-spy-program-violates-gov-domain-guidelines-and-privacy-act-of-1974-updates-and-who-to-contact/

“Just a long talk with Lee Ellis, policy administrator of the GSA Federal Acquisition Service which assign .Gov domains and creates the guidelines for the use of .Gov domains.

Mr. Ellis was very cordial, mentioning he was up until 9:00 pm last night after being inundated with emails. I would like to extend many thanks to my readers who emailed me after contacting Mr. Ellis. Your words of support were encouraging. Don’t letup and keep sending those emails, but please be very cordial as Mr. Ellis is a very likable gentleman. Mr. Ellis will be the person who will re-write the guidelines if necessary.

Mr. Ellis informed me the legal office of the GSA Federal Acquisition Services (FAS) has been contacted. The White House site will not be taken down, which should come as no surprise due to its importance in providing vital information to the public. However, the use of the whitehouse.gov blog is in violation of the guidelines.

The White House may be asked to either remove the offending material of put up a disclaimer which states the site in question violates .gov second level domain guidelines by allowing for campaign content – in this case the campaign to pass health care legislation. Mr. Ellis is not a lawyer and I have not yet received a reply email from him, which I requested during our interview. However keep your eyes on the site dotgov.gov website, which is the GSA FAS official website for any announcements. Again, keep up the pressure.

To understand the structure involved here, the federal Chief Information Officer (CIO) Vivek Kundra has authority over all other CIOs. I could not find any contact information for Vivek Kundra, so if anyone can dig this up and place it in the comments, I will add it to the post.

I did a little digging and found the current White House CIO is Macon Philips. I don’t have a phone number, so if anyone out there does, again please provide it in the comment section. It took a lot of research, but I was finally able to find an email for Macon Philips – macon@who.eop.gov. Still looking for a phone number.

Macon Philips, the man behind whitehouse.gov and the website calling for the turning in of citizens is also known as the White House Director Of New Media.”


16 posted on 08/08/2009 12:52:33 PM PDT by Altera (See, "Liberty and Tyranny: A Conservative Manifesto" by Mark R. Levin)
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17 posted on 08/08/2009 12:53:31 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (King Jesus will rule from Jerusalem. Period.)
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To: Typical_Whitey

Does he want to see my birth certificate?


18 posted on 08/08/2009 12:54:00 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: Typical_Whitey; GOPJ; LucyT; Fred Nerks; Jeff Head; rodguy911; Las Vegas Ron; BP2; MHGinTN; ...
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19 posted on 08/08/2009 12:54:36 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: COBOL2Java

Well since Mr. Gibbs said that they are just responding to people who want to know how obamacare will impact them...I just emailed them again asking them how it will impact me.

So I’m wondering how long until I get a response...


20 posted on 08/08/2009 12:54:50 PM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Typical_Whitey

These emails have to be kept in the nat’l archives.

Let’s all send emails documenting the fall of our republic.


21 posted on 08/08/2009 12:55:33 PM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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To: Typical_Whitey
Napolitano was referring to the Privacy Act of 1974,

Oh' geez, that is so pre-Obama.

Obama transcends Law, after all, he is a attuned being straddling the planet like a god

We have a SRM sycophantic lapdogs of the Administration, complete Democrat control of Congress, Justice Dept. run by a racist, Homeland Security run by a imbecile, A drunk for a VP.

22 posted on 08/08/2009 12:55:52 PM PDT by Popman
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To: bobby.223

We should start a huge class action lawsuit and get good attorneys to represent us.


23 posted on 08/08/2009 12:56:18 PM PDT by mojitojoe (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for the people to remain silent.)
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To: GulfWar1Vet
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24 posted on 08/08/2009 12:56:28 PM PDT by GulfWar1Vet (King Jesus will rule from Jerusalem. Period.)
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To: Typical_Whitey

He’ll never get impeached no matter what he does. Can’t impeach a black man — that’s racist


25 posted on 08/08/2009 12:57:14 PM PDT by jersey117
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‘have you heard if anyone has begun to legally challenge this or if anyone is at least thinking about it?’

I think a good first step would be for the White House to release the names collected so far (Freedom of Information Act, perhaps?). Then, if someone appears on that list who never corresponded with the White House, I would think that they’d have cause to file a lawsuit. JMO.


26 posted on 08/08/2009 12:57:55 PM PDT by joejm65
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We should start a huge class action lawsuit and get good attorneys to represent us.

That's the best idea I've heard yet. Only problem is, the top class action attorneys in the country are democrat lobbiests. We need conservative lawyers.

27 posted on 08/08/2009 1:00:11 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: Typical_Whitey

Is THIS what will wake up a sleeping America? Incredibile!! The fact that this is even out there is enough to send me chills. WAKE UP AMERICA!! I have emailed my “keepers in office”here in Illinois (Dick Durbin et all) and quietly told them I have had enough and WILL work to bring them down!! ENOUGH!


28 posted on 08/08/2009 1:00:20 PM PDT by italyconservative (So ready for 2010!)
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To: Typical_Whitey

That it is ILLEGAL will NOT deter “DEAD FISH” Emanuel nor Dictator OBOZO HUSSEIN in the least! In fact, it probably excits them even more, jussssst as doing Pleays in their Pink Tu Tus in ballet classes used to turn them on!:-)


29 posted on 08/08/2009 1:01:01 PM PDT by True Republican Patriot (May GOD Continue to BLESS Our Great President George W. Bush!!)
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To: Typical_Whitey

The law is meaningless if nobody is willing to enforce it.


30 posted on 08/08/2009 1:02:06 PM PDT by bondjamesbond (Because, deep in my heart, I do believe, that we shall overcome some day.)
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"IMPEACH... Special Prosecuter at the very least. Our Constitution must stand."


31 posted on 08/08/2009 1:04:19 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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have you heard if anyone has begun to legally challenge this or if anyone is at least thinking about it? this administration has 1930’s nazi germany written all over it and it is only gonna get worse.

I wonder if one could do a FOIA request to see if they have any information on you?

32 posted on 08/08/2009 1:04:29 PM PDT by ColdWater
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What about the health care survey on Brad Ellsworth’s website? Are his staff submitting that info to flag?
And who are the other congressmen that have a similar survey on their websites?


33 posted on 08/08/2009 1:04:57 PM PDT by indyhome
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To: bobby.223

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2310464/posts


34 posted on 08/08/2009 1:05:32 PM PDT by snippy_about_it (Looking for our Sam Adams)
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To: Typical_Whitey

Bill (the Gasbag) O’Reilly jumped on Judge Andrew Napolitano, claiming that Obama just wanted what was said reported to him, not who said it.


35 posted on 08/08/2009 1:09:36 PM PDT by Mojave (Don't blame me. I voted for McClintock.)
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To: Typical_Whitey
Well, this is interesting. This means that the White House will have to keep all those spam emails sent to them! ROFLOL.

You know...from websites where all you have to do is insert an email address and the WH will end up on their mailing list. There are lots of them...fill the WH email box with spam from stores, kids sites, joke sites, (whatever your "evil protestor" mind wants to send, LOL). Easy enough to do...just insert the flag@whitehouse.gov email addy into the sites area requesting an email addy for future mailings.

36 posted on 08/08/2009 1:09:46 PM PDT by CitizenM ("An excuse is worse than an lie, because an excuse is a lie hidden." Pope John Paul, II)
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Well then the Natl archives will be full of newsletters from every vile/funny/off beat site on the internet. I know lots of folks have been signing the WH up to receive them.


37 posted on 08/08/2009 1:09:52 PM PDT by lovesdogs (I will not lay down and die. This is my country and with God's help I will take it back.)
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To: Typical_Whitey
MERRY FISHMASS!
38 posted on 08/08/2009 1:12:23 PM PDT by matt1234 (When in doubt, buy more ammo.)
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To: Typical_Whitey

Well, I don’t see what the fuss is all about...the ACLU said it was no big deal.


39 posted on 08/08/2009 1:12:32 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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To: ColdWater
I wonder if one could do a FOIA request to see if they have any information on you?

What a great way to get yourself flagged.

"Hi, I'd like to know if my name is on your list of enemies of the state."

"It is now."
40 posted on 08/08/2009 1:13:02 PM PDT by tpmintx (Liberalism: Solving problems caused by Jealousy - with solutions based on Lies. (Think Green!))
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To: Typical_Whitey

FOIA Alert!


41 posted on 08/08/2009 1:16:55 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (It's the spending, stupid!)
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To: Typical_Whitey

I would sue....but I’m told I don’t have “standing.”


42 posted on 08/08/2009 1:18:21 PM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Typical_Whitey

Yeah, I’m sure Eric Holder will get right on that.


43 posted on 08/08/2009 1:18:32 PM PDT by behzinlea
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To: Typical_Whitey

IMPEACH!!


44 posted on 08/08/2009 1:18:32 PM PDT by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Typical_Whitey

Surely congress or the AG will jump right on this.


45 posted on 08/08/2009 1:19:09 PM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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To: Typical_Whitey
"prohibits the White House from collecting data and storing it on people who disagree with it," Judge Andrew Napolitano, a FOX News analyst, said Friday. "There's also a statute that requires the White House to retain all communications that it receives"

I sent them an email self-reporting that I'm "fishy" on Obamacare.

I wonder which of these laws they broke? Did they collect my data and break the law, or did they delete my data and break the law?

Time to sue.

46 posted on 08/08/2009 1:20:50 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (It's the spending, stupid!)
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To: ColdWater

on me? oh no!! I love obama, they don’t have to look for anything on me!!!.....


47 posted on 08/08/2009 1:21:33 PM PDT by bobby.223
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To: COBOL2Java

48 posted on 08/08/2009 1:26:02 PM PDT by BenLurkin (What is so offensive about liberty that it must be "reformed" out of existence?)
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Sen Cornyn started the process with his letter to the kenyan. If u havent seen it, do so. Its very good.


49 posted on 08/08/2009 1:26:49 PM PDT by Beloved Levinite (I have a new name for the occupier of The Oval Office: KING FRAUD! (pronounced King "Faa-raud"))
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To: Typical_Whitey
Time to watch this movie:

"The Lives of Others" is the English version. It's about life under the Ministerium für Staatssicherheit, a.k.a., Stasi.

There is ZERO difference between flag@ and the main action of the Stasi, getting citizens to inform on each other for not following the ruling party.

50 posted on 08/08/2009 1:28:31 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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